What really irks me from last 2 years...

[Vinnie2u]

So out of 16 Games we had 5 turnovers before half time.. 31% of the time is acceptable?

 

[CowboyMike]

 

[Idgit]

So out of 16 Games we had 5 turnovers before half time.. 31% of the time is acceptable?

I take it this thread is no longer about the other team usually scoring on us after the irksome half-time turnover? You're the OP, so I'm just trying to keep up.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Went back last year and looked at the drives right before half time these stood out:
Week 2-Philly : Romo Int. .20 sec left
Week 5- Cincy: Romo Fumble 1.42 sec left
Week 7- Rams: Barber Fumble .55 sec left
Week 16- Bal : Romo Int. .43 sec left
Week 17- Philly: Romo Int. 1.13 sec. left

1. Philly in week 2...Interesting how you say he threw an INT with 20 seconds left in the half...yet the box score shows that Nick Folk kicked a field goal with 42 seconds left, after a 3 play, 45 yard drive, to give us a field goal right before halftime.

Romo threw only 1 pick in that game and it most certainly didn't come right before the half it came much earlier in the half.

In fact the INT came in the first quarter.


2. Cincy you're correct he fumbled and they got a field goal out of it.


3. Rams game I don't care much about cause the entire team sucked without Romo in the game but we'll do it for fun.

What I see, by the box score and drive chart, is that Dallas had 3 second quarter possessions, all ending in punts, with no fumble from Barber in the final two minutes of the half.

In fact the fumble game with 2 minutes left in the first quarter, not the half or end of game, and the Rams ended the first half, with a downing of the ball, after a punt.


4. Baltimore game we all know that's correct, he threw that pick to Reed and the Ravens got a field goal out of it. Of course you totally forget how he drove the team down the field, two times, in the later stages (including the second one that started with 3 and some change left and ended in a 71 yard TD drive to where all the defense had to do was get 1 three and out and we'd have a shot to win in the end) of the game to pull us to within 7 points only to watch the defense give up back to back 70+ yard TD runs to totally ruin the comeback attempts. But, yeah, I'll still give you a win on this game I suppose.

5. Philly there was a pick with about a minute left that led to a TD. So you get a real correct one here.


So as I add that up you got the Cincy game right, and the second philly game totally right, and baltimore I think is really a wash because he did throw a pick before the half but also had two late drives to try and bring the game back only for the defense to give it up.

You were completely wrong, not even in the correct quarter or situations, on the first Philly game and the same thing with the Rams game.


Basically you didn't really bother to look carefuly what you were posting to try and prove your point and instead really didn't do much for your point, at all.

 

[Hypnotoad]

So out of 16 Games we had 5 turnovers before half time.. 31% of the time is acceptable?

31% is not acceptable...

But Remember, there are 2 halfs in each game.
2 halfs x 16 games = 32 halfs

So 15%. To me its still not acceptable, but you are exaggerating the problem. Braveheart believes its 4 not 5 changing it to 12%. At this rate by this afternoon it'll be somewhere south of 10%. EDIT: BREAKING NEWS: Its 3 now! 9%!!! LoL.

Good teams don't commit turnovers. So Id like that number to be below 5%.

 

[Vinnie2u]

1. Philly in week 2...Interesting how you say he threw an INT with 20 seconds left in the half...yet the box score .

Was wrong about this.. It was the 1st Quarter..

 

[TellerMorrow34]

None were Hail Mary's. Cincy got a field goal, Baltimore and Philly scored TD's.
Pacman also gave one away at Philly. Which led to Another FG.

Actually, no, the Ravens got a field goal at the end of the first half, not a TD. Pacman did fumble after the Philly TD which set up a field goal right before the half.

Originally Posted by Vinnie2u
Went back last year and looked at the drives right before half time these stood out:
Week 2-Philly : Romo Int. .20 sec left - Eagles didnt score had 5 secs
Week 5- Cincy: Romo Fumble 1.42 sec left - Cincinnati gets 3 pts
Week 7- Rams: Barber Fumble .55 sec left - dallas gets sack to end half
Week 16- Bal : Romo Int. .43 sec left - Field goal for Baltimore we did not lose cause of 3 pts...
Week 17- Philly: Romo Int. 1.13 sec. left - 44 6 need I say more



Thank God for the defense.

Eagles didn't get an INT in the first game with time left in the half. That happened at the end of the first quarter, completely out of the scope of his 2 minute offense assessment.

Barber fumble against the Rams, again, didn't happen at the end of the half it happened in the first quarter and thus doesn't have a thing to do with the scope of what he's claiming.

Out of the five examples he displayed only 3 are relevant and the other two he threw in to try and make it seem like 5 times in 16 games when that simply isn't correct.

In fact the first Philly one goes COMPLETELY agianst what he's claiming because not only did we NOT turn it over in the final 2 minutes of the half but we went 45 yards and added a field goal right before the half.

He's wrong, badly, on his assessment that more often than not we screw up in the final two minutes of halves and the other team gets scores off of it.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

What really irks me is how we never get any sacks, and Felix Jones never breaks any big plays.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

By comparison here is what Dallas did scoring wise in the final 2 minutes of the half this season. That's a total of 32 chances to play in the final 2 minutes for them.

Cleveland - Scored a TD with about 30 seconds left in the first half to take a 21-7 halftime lead.

In the 4th quarter of this game Dallas had only 1 possession...of course it was for the final 10 minutes of the game and they ran the clock out but, hey, they didn't score to end the game so that doesn't hurt the theory I suppose.


Philly - We already covered this in the posts. Dallas got a field goal just before half.


Greenbay - Hmmm...10 play, 29 yard drive to end the half with a field goal.

To end the game they ran GB out of downs in the final two minutes and then downed the ball 1 time to end the game.

Score another one for Dallas here.


Commanders game - Drove for a field goal as time expired in the first half.

Drove for a TD in the final 2 minutes to pull the game within 2 at the end.

2 two minute drives that ended in Dallas scores.


Cincy - We covered the Cincy field goal before half.

Second half they ran Cincy out of downs in the final two minutes and then downed the ball out.


Arizona - Lets see...4+ minute drive for a TD right before half, then got a turnover and missed a field goal right before the half.

End of the game in the final 3 minutes Dallas got a TD and a field goal to send it to over time.

Two more times that Dallas scored at the end of each half.


St. Louis - Again we covered this. Neither team scored in the final two minutes of the first half of this game.

Dallas actually DID score a late TD, with less than 2 minutes in the game, in this one so they still fullfilled their scoring at the end of a half thing here.

Much like the Philly game in week 2 that was attempted to be used against the offense this game actually does JUST THE OPPOSITE and shows the OP's theory completely wrong.


Tampa Bay - We scored a Roy Williams TD with seconds remaining in the first half.

For the second half we ran them out of downs and downed the ball out.


NY giants - Neither team scored in final 2 minutes of first half.

neither team scored in final 2 minutes of game.


Washington Game 2 - We scored a TD with 1 minute left in the first half.

The defense then gave up a field goal with 4 seconds left in first half.


Ran them out of downs in the final 2 minutes and downed the ball out.


SF Game - Scored a TD with a minute left in the first half.

Ran the final 3+ minutes off the board to end this game.


Seattle Game -

Ended both halfs running out of time. Dallas ran out of time in the first half and Seattle ran out of time in the second. No one scores.


Pittsburgh - Now here is a game you could have made some headway with....

We drove down for a field goal to end the first half giving us a score.

We threw a pick, that was returned for a TD, with under 2 minutes remaining. So we went 1 for 2 in this game.


Giants 2nd Game - We downed it out to end each half of this game. No scores.


Baltimore and Philly Games we covered


Dallas got 1 two minute score out of those 2 games. So the total is....



Out of 32 possible two minute drill scoring situations Dallas scored.....12 times.


12 times out of 32 possible two minute drills we scored to end a half or end a game. That is in comparision to only 4 times that support his theory (The Pittsburgh INT gives him 4 again instead of the 3 he would have had with the Philly and Rams games being completely incorrect). The OP's theory is proven wrong.

 

[joseephuss]

Great stuff Braveheartfan.

Everything irked me about the last two games of the season. It didn't matter that they turned it over in the last 2 minutes of the half because they played poorly throughout both games especially against Philly. Outside of those two games they really played pretty darn well in the final two minutes of the first halves.

 

[tomson75]

I believe tomson said it all.

Lmao...well I said all of that which SHOULD have needed to be said.....


...but Braveheartfan did all the work. Well done.

This thread still fails.