What Sam believes did the Sheagles in

[YosemiteSam]

You seem to be talking an awful lot about a team that is no longer playing for anything this year. Giving them a lot of props and defending them too. Why are you still so focused on the Eagles? You do realize the Cowboys just won the division, don't you? To say we got our ***** kicked (and deserved it) without acknowledging that Romo could barely move because of the short turnaround and then saying they are the very close to the same quality of team, despite the fact that we beat them very convincingly in their place sure makes you sound like an closet Eagles fan, or an Eagles apologist at the very least. The Eagles are not a very good team -- they had the playoffs in their sights and promptly lost three games in a row, two of them at home. Meanwhile, we've won three in a row, including two on the road.

Oh, and why did you say our victory "wasn't some type of blowout" despite the fact that we beat them by more than the Seahawks beat them the week before, and pretty much everyone thinks the Seahawks crushed them? Why is that?

P.S. I feel just fine, thank you.

I tend to view things from a logical point of view. Not a emotional point of view. Talking Cowboys with emotional fans is mind numbing as most of the arguments aren't based on facts. It's just whatever makes them feel better. For instances, you act like I didn't know the situation which is clearly false. You attempt to portray me as if I have no idea what I'm talking about when clearly I do and nothing you've said is based in fact. If the Eagles were not a very good team and the Cowboys are so awesome, why were the Cowboys and the Eagles fighting for the division up until the 15th game of the season.

Zero logic. Bye bye.

 

[AsthmaField]

Couldn't simply more cardio training prevent a defense from getting winded?

Only to a certain point, IMO. Nothing is going to hold off fatigue indefinitely.

They are in better cardiovascular condition that most defenses, I would think, because of having little time to rest. However, unlike a marathon runner who can set a steady pace that doesn't outstrip his conditioning, NFL defenders must give maximum exertion on each snap. Particularly the defensive linemen. You give 100% effort every 40 seconds or so and you're going to wear out, no two ways about it.

Better than average conditioning might stave off exhaustion for a few more snaps, but it will come sooner than later if your offense can't hold the ball. There are limits to a big man's endurance. You can't just train and continue to endlessly improve conditioning.

 

[Fmart322]

Teams are 2-12 after playing the Dallas Cowboys. I've been keeping track.

 

[Seven]

What I believe did the Eagles in was the trenches the last few games. Beginning with their beatdown of the Cowboys on Thanksgiving.

While the Eagles handily beat the Cowboys on Thanksgiving, the Cowboys are tough and extremely physical in the trenches. Playing an extremely physical team takes it's toll on you. The Eagles then after playing the Cowboys had to play the Seahawks who are another extremely physical team who is playing well. At that point, it's straight math. The Eagles took punishment in back to back physical games only to come right back and face the Cowboys again. This time, it wasn't the Cowboys after three days rest. It was the Cowboys after 10 days rest.

Three straight games against very physical teams will take a massive toll on you. The Eagles were beaten up and then they had to walk into the Commanders which of whom they should have beaten handily. ....they didn't. They fell to the Commanders and because of that, they pretty much lost any shot at the division. The Cowboys beating the Colts was the final nail in their playoff coffin.

If you look back. The Cowboys played Seattle early in the year. The Seahawks didn't start the season all that well. I believe part of that was the physical toll playing the Cowboys took early in the season. They loss to the Rams after the Cowboys then barely beat the Panthers. After that, they physical reset and began a return to form. They are now one of the stronger teams in the NFL and they play the same brand of football as they did last year and as the Cowboys are playing this year. Physical smash-mouth football.

The Eagles could and probably should have won the division, but that stretch of three games against the Cowboys, Seahawks, and then Cowboys again doomed them.

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All this and you called no one fat and ugly.

I'm proud of you Sam.

I think..................

Good post BTW.

 

[Seven]

Couldn't simply more cardio training prevent a defense from getting winded?

Won't help with the pounding.

 

[YosemiteSam]

All this and you called no one fat and ugly.

I'm proud of you Sam.

I think..................

Good post BTW.

Shadup fatty!

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

The Eagles could and probably should have won the division, but that stretch of three games against the Cowboys, Seahawks, and then Cowboys again doomed them.

Not with Sanchez as their starting qb, should they have won. He is what he is. Not to mention their bad cb's.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

When you run a play every 22 seconds and you do 3 and out you only take 88 seconds off the clock, that is not a lot of time to get your wind back if you are a defensive player

Which is why they beat up on the bottom feeders and not good teams.

 

[wileedog]

Good points.


I'll add that I think just as big, maybe more so, was the fact that Sanchez came back to playing like you expect Sanchez to play and also their defense just absolutely fell apart, and wore down, and died due to being on the field so much because Chip Kelly has absolutely no respect, or understanding, of the importance of time of possession in football.

I don't think so. Their front 7 was strong pretty much throughout that 3 game stretch. And they actually beat Washington in time of possession.

The bigger problem was that Bradley Fletcher was inexplicably left on an island against 2 vastly superior WRs for almost all of the two games vs us and Washington and Kelly was too stubborn (dare I say arrogant?) to admit it was a massive mistake before too much damage was done.

 

[ccb04]

The Eagles are good, big, & physical on both sides of the LOS. And they had their way on both sides of the ball in the trenches on Thanksgiving...with McCoy rushing for 159 yards & Romo being harassed. And in the 2nd meeting in Philly, they also had Evan Mathis back at guard IIRC.

I think the biggest factor on turkey day was still the extremely short week for the Cowboys. Not saying they would've won if they had a full week, as the Eagles played very well. But I think it would've been quite a bit more competitive.

Turnovers, missed FG's, lesser QB play, and some bad CB play, certainly hurt the Eagles. The Skins loss was a divisional game, and sometimes you can throw records out the window in those matchups...as we know. They dominated the skins statistically, but had 13 penalties vs. only 3, missed FG's, and matched the skins with 2 turnovers.

Sanchez had 13 turnovers in 7 games.

"We're currently minus-9 in the turnover margin, so us having nine wins is really impressive for that," said safety Malcolm Jenkins, echoing the mood of a locker room hit with a communal reality check. "And really we were on borrowed time playing that style of football. If we had run the table in December with that kind of football, it would have been surprising, and it's something we didn't fix."

 

[BoysfanfromCanada]

Only to a certain point, IMO. Nothing is going to hold off fatigue indefinitely.

They are in better cardiovascular condition that most defenses, I would think, because of having little time to rest. However, unlike a marathon runner who can set a steady pace that doesn't outstrip his conditioning, NFL defenders must give maximum exertion on each snap. Particularly the defensive linemen. You give 100% effort every 40 seconds or so and you're going to wear out, no two ways about it.

Better than average conditioning might stave off exhaustion for a few more snaps, but it will come sooner than later if your offense can't hold the ball. There are limits to a big man's endurance. You can't just train and continue to endlessly improve conditioning.

I think it'll come to a point, especially after a season like this where the plan doesn't work out, that players start to sour on that system and prefer to move on, or not come to Philly at all as free agents. How many defensive players are going to want to have to work twice as hard as they have done their entire careers? Especially when 31 other teams can give you the $$ you're looking for without having to endure that

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

What I believe did the Eagles in was the trenches the last few games. Beginning with their beatdown of the Cowboys on Thanksgiving.

While the Eagles handily beat the Cowboys on Thanksgiving, the Cowboys are tough and extremely physical in the trenches. Playing an extremely physical team takes it's toll on you. The Eagles then after playing the Cowboys had to play the Seahawks who are another extremely physical team who is playing well. At that point, it's straight math. The Eagles took punishment in back to back physical games only to come right back and face the Cowboys again. This time, it wasn't the Cowboys after three days rest. It was the Cowboys after 10 days rest.

Three straight games against very physical teams will take a massive toll on you. The Eagles were beaten up and then they had to walk into the Commanders which of whom they should have beaten handily. ....they didn't. They fell to the Commanders and because of that, they pretty much lost any shot at the division. The Cowboys beating the Colts was the final nail in their playoff coffin.

If you look back. The Cowboys played Seattle early in the year. The Seahawks didn't start the season all that well. I believe part of that was the physical toll playing the Cowboys took early in the season. They loss to the Rams after the Cowboys then barely beat the Panthers. After that, they physical reset and began a return to form. They are now one of the stronger teams in the NFL and they play the same brand of football as they did last year and as the Cowboys are playing this year. Physical smash-mouth football.

The Eagles could and probably should have won the division, but that stretch of three games against the Cowboys, Seahawks, and then Cowboys again doomed them.

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I agree that eagles took a beating, but I say welcome to the NFL. I think the eagles are generally a soft team. they are built like a sports car, not a truck so they are a little fragile....so what about the AZ game? what about the earlier loss to SF? in essence anytime the eagles played a tough physical team, they lost.

I don't think the eagles should have won the division, as the games all account for the same during the season. play the games on the schedule. win enough and you win the division. they didn't. so everything else is an excuse to make oneself feel good.

the cowboys played Philly, twice in three weeks and Indy. three games against high powered offenses. did you hear the defense complain why we are playing these type of offenses three weeks in a row? would there be excuses if they didn't win those games to win the division? I am sure you would be here and say at the end the better team won it......did the cowboys complain when they had to play AZ, fly to London, fly back to play giants on a sunday night, turn around and play on thanks giving and play two top 5 offenses?

sorry, the eagles lost to better teams. teams that are built tougher, more physical and play more traditional football with power running games and hard hitting defenses. end of story

 

[ConstantReboot]

The system which Chip Kelly brought to Phili is nothing more than a fraud. It not only puts pressure on the defense - with TOP issues but it also puts pressure on the offense as well, especially the QB.

When the offense can't make any adjustments or put in plays that take advantage of what the defense gives you, than your at a disadvantage and makes you one dimensional. Once the defense stops their run attacking, they end up with situations where there is 3rd and long and they have to hurry up to get the play out without a huddle or any kind of pre-determined set play to get the 1st down.

It also puts pressure on the entire offense on having to hurry up and get the play off - and for what reason? This makes the offense tired and worn in the 4th quarter. Thus you see many INTs by Mark or even Foles during the waining moments of the game. Foles this year was leading in turnovers before Mark stepped in as backup.

Basically, Chip Kelly's offense is not only bad for the defense, but its bad for the offense as well. With all that hurrying up going on, and when the defense keeps stopping you with 3 and outs, I don't see how their offense can get any type of rhythm or momentum, especially against a defense that can stop the run - and when their run game is stopped, they become nothing more than a frantic offense on 3rd downs hurrying up to get the play off.

This is why your seeing the collapse of this team in December. Their team just cannot withstand a team that plays smash-mouth football like Dallas and Seattle.

I honestly would like them to keep that style of offense for the duration of Chip Kelly's coaching career in Phil. If he doesn't change it now, you will see more and more of their players wanting out and will be nothing more than a complete disaster in Eagles land.

 

[Macnalty]

Teams are 2-12 after playing the Dallas Cowboys. I've been keeping track.

This is the real reason you get bruised when you play us and nothing less than your all out best defensive effort stops the run game. Nobody wants us on their schedule in the playoffs if they have studied our season.

 

[crashintonickdm]

This team was always more talented than the Eagles. Just took some time to finally show.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

The system which Chip Kelly brought to Phili is nothing more than a fraud. It not only puts pressure on the defense - with TOP issues but it also puts pressure on the offense as well, especially the QB.

When the offense can't make any adjustments or put in plays that take advantage of what the defense gives you, than your at a disadvantage and makes you one dimensional. Once the defense stops their run attacking, they end up with situations where there is 3rd and long and they have to hurry up to get the play out without a huddle or any kind of pre-determined set play to get the 1st down.

It also puts pressure on the entire offense on having to hurry up and get the play off - and for what reason? This makes the offense tired and worn in the 4th quarter. Thus you see many INTs by Mark or even Foles during the waining moments of the game. Foles this year was leading in turnovers before Mark stepped in as backup.

Basically, Chip Kelly's offense is not only bad for the defense, but its bad for the offense as well. With all that hurrying up going on, and when the defense keeps stopping you with 3 and outs, I don't see how their offense can get any type of rhythm or momentum, especially against a defense that can stop the run - and when their run game is stopped, they become nothing more than a frantic offense on 3rd downs hurrying up to get the play off.

This is why your seeing the collapse of this team in December. Their team just cannot withstand a team that plays smash-mouth football like Dallas and Seattle.

I honestly would like them to keep that style of offense for the duration of Chip Kelly's coaching career in Phil. If he doesn't change it now, you will see more and more of their players wanting out and will be nothing more than a complete disaster in Eagles land.

the system chip kellyu brought has been in the NFLa while, except it was bette executed. Bills did it on their way to 4 straight superbowls....they had a tough defense and tough offense with Thurman and a great OL and physical WRs. Cinci had it a while on their way to two superbowls which they lost to SF. that fast pace, hurry up offense. they had a great OL, tough defense and lost to one of the all time greatest teams, coaches, WRs, and QBs. Houston Oilers ran the fast pace run and shoot offense for several years, scored a ton of points and never could stop anybody nor stay on the field long enough to give their defense a rest.

the NFL comes down to 4th quarter most of the time. you don't win in the first quarter or first half. you win in the 4th quarter, given most games are close and within reach. that's when a rested defense can attack an offense and create turnovers and sacks, while a tired defense gets run over.

so this bullshiet with Kelly introducing new things to the NFL is all bull crap the media creates. Kelly hasn't introduced anything that hasn't been tried already. He could pull this bull crap in college given the level of talent, but all NFL players are talented, including the 53rd guy on the team who probably was a star on his college team. Give DC enough time and they will tear apart your system and that's what we have seen. its a simple formula that works in the NFL. defense, balanced offense or incredibly talented offense that you can be either mostly running or passing (ala brady, manning or Rodgers). outside of that no system works without having talent and right now they are feeling it that with his QBs and average WRs and his system he is shooting himself in the foot and losing games in the 4th quarter.

Kelly has come and gone in his second year.

 

[Seven]

Shadup fatty!

Triple like!!

 

[Rockport]

Or, more simply, Sanchez is not a good QB

Didn't Sanchez play the Thanksgiving day game?

 

[AbeBeta]

Didn't Sanchez play the Thanksgiving day game?

We were crao in that game. Just about any qb could have beaten us

 

[jrumann59]

Personally I think they are gaming the system, because they run plays so fast the OC and chip can actually tell the QB what is going on through the headset, they are abusing the system put into place.