What separates Romo from being Manning or Brees?

[Galian Beast]

At first I thought it was a #2 wide receiver who has a higher catch percentage. And I still strongly believe this is the case. We had way too many dropped passes last year.

But under further review of the offensive line, and comparison to other elite quarterbacks I see that the offensive line play is a stronger indicator of what separates Romo from the other elite quarterbacks.

Tony Romo - 675 drop backs, 217 plays under pressure, 280 blitzes.

Let me explain what this means first.

It means that Tony Romo dropped back to pass 675 (and either passed, ran, or was sacked, but did not hand the ball off to a running back).

Of those 675 plays he was blitzed 280 times.

Romo's QB rating while being blitzed is 92.1
Romo's QB rating while under pressure is 71.5
Romo's QB rating with no pressure is 105.7

This means when teams blitzed romo, his qb rating was 92.1, when teams either failed to pick up the blitz, or just got to romo his qb rating drops to 71.5

When teams aren't blitzing him, and aren't getting to him his qb rating is 105.7.

Peyton Manning - drop backs - 715, 162 plays under pressure, 203 blitzes.

Peyton Manning's QB rating while being blitzed is 93.6
Peyton Manning's QB rating while under pressure is 77.2
Peyton Manning's QB rating with no pressure is 105.8

These numbers are nearly QB ratings are nearly identical to Romo's. Romo's QB rating is slightly lower under pressure, but the key is that Romo had 55 more plays over the year under pressure, with 35 LESS drop backs.


Drew Brees - Drop backs - 643, 167 plays under pressure, 158 blitzes.

Drew Brees's QB rating while being blitzed is 108.1
Drew Brees's QB rating while under pressure is 73.7
Drew Brees's QB rating with no pressure is 122.2

Drew Brees was probably the best qb last year, but his under pressure qb rating is almost the same as Romo's. I would say Romo is much closer to Peyton Manning right now than he is Drew Brees. But the difference isn't as great as it might seem.

Romo's numbers are nearly identical to Peyton Manning's. I think it can be really argued that Romo had a better year individually. If Romo was behind Peyton Manning's offensive line he would probably be a super bowl champion right now.

You have got to believe that we need players who can pass block better. That is our most glaring need.

Note: The stats come from ProFootballFocus.com, not NFL.com, I've seen some inconsistencies, that I do not quite understand. But I guess thats what happens when you have different people tracking stats, that said, the site seems very credible.

 

[SDCowboy]

The talent around him. Put Brees behind our line throwing to our receivers and we wouldn't even know who he is.

 

[SharutoX]

a ring

 

[Rampage]

great o-line play

wins in playoff games

a Superbowl ring

 

[big dog cowboy]

You have got to believe that we need players who can pass block better. That is our most glaring need.

Nice OP, but didn't we know this already?

 

[NeonNinja]

Nice OP, but didn't we know this already?

Believe so.

 

[Four]

did you get bored with the other thread?

 

[AdamJT13]

Getting it done ONE time in the playoffs to win a championship.

Brees has made the playoffs only three times in seven seasons as a starter, and Manning has a .500 record in the playoffs, with six of those losses coming in his first round.

 

[Galian Beast]

Getting it done ONE time in the playoffs to win a championship.

Brees has made the playoffs only three times in seven seasons as a starter, and Manning has a .500 record in the playoffs, with six of those losses coming in his first round.

Thanks Adam, I think this shows exactly the fact that there isn't much difference between them.

We need to change this offensive line, yet most people want to go into the season with the same offensive line that is clearly keeping Romo from becoming an elite quarterback.

 

[NeonNinja]

Thanks Adam, I think this shows exactly the fact that there isn't much difference between them.

We need to change this offensive line, yet most people want to go into the season with the same offensive line that is clearly keeping Romo from becoming an elite quarterback.

Most on here want us to draft OL and realize it is a need for now and mainly the future. It would be dumb to cut Adams for this upcoming season, who is out there to replace him for this year? Don't want to give up our 1st and a new contract to Gaither and he is the only one available atm.

 

[Hoofbite]

The talent around him. Put Brees behind our line throwing to our receivers and we wouldn't even know who he is.

Please. Brees, like Manning is rarely caught off guard. He knows what is coming and the ball is out before defenses have a chance to get to him.

That's the real separator. Brees and Manning know what is coming and often dictate what the defenses do. Manning is clearly the best at it but Brees is pretty good in his own right. Romo isn't there. At least not yet. I think he will get there in time but right now Romo doesn't force the defense into as many no-win situations as Brees or Manning.

 

[gimmesix]

We need to change this offensive line, yet most people want to go into the season with the same offensive line that is clearly keeping Romo from becoming an elite quarterback.

I don't think we can change the offensive line the way that it probably needs to be changed very quickly.

At the most, a couple of changes could possibly be expected. One would most likely be Doug Free taking over for Flozell Adams, but there's some risk involved in that change. The other would be drafting an interior player in the first round (Mike Iupati or Maurkice Pouncey) and having him compete with Kyle Kosier for the starting job at left guard.

I don't think expecting more than that is anywhere close to realistic.

 

[jobberone]

I won't argue that the OL could block a little better. But you can make two arguments that Brees is better under pressure than Romo and the NO WRs are better running the tree/making quick reads.

Brees had an incredible year.

 

[SDCowboy]

Please. Brees, like Manning is rarely caught off guard. He knows what is coming and the ball is out before defenses have a chance to get to him.

That's the real separator. Brees and Manning know what is coming and often dictate what the defenses do. Manning is clearly the best at it but Brees is pretty good in his own right. Romo isn't there. At least not yet. I think he will get there in time but right now Romo doesn't force the defense into as many no-win situations as Brees or Manning.

It's a lot easier to get rid of it when you have reciewers that catch the ball when you throw it anywhere near them. Ours don't and require Tony to have to hold onto it longer. Hell, ours don't catch it sometimes when they are open and it hits them on the hands. :laugh2:

 

[Galian Beast]

Dash28, Gaither is a franchise quality left tackle. He would be a perfect replacement for Adams, and an instant boost in the offensive line. There is no difference between paying someone a first round draft pick to get him, and drafting him in the first round. The guy is what 24 years old?

I like the upside of Doug Free, although he wasn't at all perfect. I at least give him the chance to fight for the starting right tackle position.

Gaither + Free is much better than Adams + Colombo.

That said you use your 2nd round draft pick, and either trade up into the first or select a guard in the 2nd. And let that guard fight against Kosier for the starting spot. You instantly also have to better backups if Free and the rookie start.

I give Leonard Davis a pass for now. He is a great run blocker, and is at least average in terms of pass blocking.

Andre Gurode seems to be improving his play. So I wouldn't seek a replacement, although I would bring in a rookie backup so we can get rid of proctor.

 

[Galian Beast]

Please. Brees, like Manning is rarely caught off guard. He knows what is coming and the ball is out before defenses have a chance to get to him.

That's the real separator. Brees and Manning know what is coming and often dictate what the defenses do. Manning is clearly the best at it but Brees is pretty good in his own right. Romo isn't there. At least not yet. I think he will get there in time but right now Romo doesn't force the defense into as many no-win situations as Brees or Manning.

I think the stats show that Romo is pretty much in line with Manning.

 

[hammer1]

What separates Romo from being Manning or Brees?

DNA?

 

[SDCowboy]

I think the stats show that Romo is pretty much in line with Manning.

Exactly. From a skill and stats perspective there is little to no difference. The difference is largely the teams they play for. It takes a complete team effort (and some luck) to win the SB.

 

[KJJ]

What separates Romo from being Manning or Brees is probably the qualities he has that has many comparing him to Favre.

 

[Four]

in case anyone forgot Tony Romo was Sean Peytons first choice for QB.