What spencer deal should look like

[supercowboy8]

Spencer needs to either be traded or sign long term. Paying him over 10 million this year is hurting this team. With Paul Kruger signing a new deal today, Spencer should be similar.

Spencer had 21.5 his first 5 years in the NFL before having 11 this year.
Kruger had 15.5 career regular season sacks in four years in the league. But he did get 9 sacks in the regular season last year and added 4.5 more in the playoffs. Kruger also at 27 is younger than Spencer.

This should set the bar for a Spencer deal to get done.
Kruger signed a 5 year 41 million deal this with $20 million guaranteed.
Spencer should sign a very similar 5 year 42 million 22 million guaranteed.

 

[Muhast]

Spencer needs to either be traded or sign long term. Paying him over 10 million this year is hurting this team. With Paul Kruger signing a new deal today, Spencer should be similar.

Spencer had 21.5 his first 5 years in the NFL before having 11 this year.
Kruger had 15.5 career regular season sacks in four years in the league. But he did get 9 sacks in the regular season last year and added 4.5 more in the playoffs. Kruger also at 27 is younger than Spencer.

This should set the bar for a Spencer deal to get done.
Kruger signed a 5 year 41 million deal this. Spencer should sign a very similar 5 year 42 million.

Spencer is a better player, he will get more than 1 million extra. More likely 5 year 48-50 range would be my guess. Although I'd much rather your prediction be right!

 

[Idgit]

Not going to happen.

 

[JBS]

wrong.

Precisely why there isn't a deal done right now.

Cowboys want to sign Spencer to a similar deal.

Spencer wants DE money...and rightfully so

 

[supercowboy8]

Spencer is a better player, he will get more than 1 million extra. More likely 5 year 48-50 range would be my guess. Although I'd much rather your prediction be right!

but go stat to stat they are the same player and Kruger is younger, if he wants more then trade him for what ever you can get.

 

[supercowboy8]

wrong.

Precisely why there isn't a deal done right now.

Cowboys want to sign Spencer to a similar deal.

Spencer wants DE money...and rightfully so

Wrong

how is it rightfully so, he isn't a DE and never has been. He might be next year but has never shown anything at DE so you can't rightfully pay him like one.

 

[supercowboy8]

If Spencer wants more, trade him and go sign Cliff Avril

 

[Muhast]

If Spencer wants more, trade him and go sign Cliff Avril

I believe Cliff wants a big deal too!

 

[supercowboy8]

I believe Cliff wants a big deal too!

atleast he is younger and played DE

Avril is 26 and has 39.5 career sacks
Spencer is 29 and has 32.5 career sacks

we can sign him and keep his first year low so we can still save money on the cap this year.

 

[JBS]

Wrong

how is it rightfully so, he isn't a DE and never has been. He might be next year but has never shown anything at DE so you can't rightfully pay him like one.

Lolol. Might be next year

That's why a deal isn't done. Period. He wants DE money.

He IS a DE now..nothing else to it

 

[Hoofbite]

How about they just sign some OL?

Not an option?

 

[honyock]

Spencer needs to either be traded or sign long term. Paying him over 10 million this year is hurting this team. With Paul Kruger signing a new deal today, Spencer should be similar.

Spencer had 21.5 his first 5 years in the NFL before having 11 this year.
Kruger had 15.5 career regular season sacks in four years in the league. But he did get 9 sacks in the regular season last year and added 4.5 more in the playoffs. Kruger also at 27 is younger than Spencer.

This should set the bar for a Spencer deal to get done.
Kruger signed a 5 year 41 million deal this with $20 million guaranteed.
Spencer should sign a very similar 5 year 42 million 22 million guaranteed.

I'd love it if Spencer and his agent saw it your way, but I'd be really surprised if they do. He'll get more, either from the Cowboys or a trade partner, if a trade could even be pulled off. Even though it hamstrings us this year, I'd almost rather see him play on the tag this year, have Crawford/draft pick get enough reps at DE to evaluate them, then let him walk next year with no long-term money tied up. Probably smart for both Spencer and the team.

 

[supercowboy8]

Lolol. Might be next year

That's why a deal isn't done. Period. He wants DE money.

He IS a DE now..nothing else to it

then trade his lolololooll, what are you 13 lolol

if he wants to be paid like one it would be stupid to pay him like a top level DE when he hasn't proved anything. The title of the thread was what spencer deal should be, not what its going to be

 

[supercowboy8]

I'd love it if Spencer and his agent saw it your way, but I'd be really surprised if they do. He'll get more, either from the Cowboy or a trade partner, if a trade could even be pulled off. Even though it hamstrings us this year, I'd almost rather see him play on the tag this year, have Crawford/draft pick get enough reps at DE to evaluate them, then let him walk next year with no long-term money tied up. Probably smart for both Spencer and the team.

I agree, but I think people aren't reading the title. I am saying what it should be. Any more would be a waste and stupid deal

 

[supercowboy8]

How about they just sign some OL?

Not an option?

If we resign spencer or another DE like Avril then we will have cap space to sign some OL. First year cap hits are very small on long term deals. Signing Spencer or Avril will be a 3-4 million cap hit this year, thats 6-7 million wo sign other players. Then cut free now is a 3 million cap savings.

 

[JBS]

then trade his lolololooll, what are you 13 lolol

if he wants to be paid like one it would be stupid to pay him like a top level DE when he hasn't proved anything. The title of the thread was what spencer deal should be, not what its going to be

Why the heck SHOULD spencer take a deal being paid like an OlB for the next 5 years or so when he knows he's going to play DE and not OLB?

That's just stupid

 

[supercowboy8]

Why the heck SHOULD spencer take a deal being paid like an OlB for the next 5 years or so when he knows he's going to play DE and not OLB?

That's just stupid

getting paid like a top pass rushing OLB is still higher than a average DE, He will still be getting paid as a above average DE, no way should he get paid as a top elite DE.

at over 8 million a year he will be a top 10 paid DE

Cameron Wake is making 8.3 a year, your telling me he is worth more than Cameron wake, Not IMO
http://www.overthecap.com/top-player-salaries.php?Position=43DE

 

[1LoyalCowboyFan]

wrong.

Precisely why there isn't a deal done right now.

Cowboys want to sign Spencer to a similar deal.

Spencer wants DE money...and rightfully so

:laugh2:rightfully so if you are him or his agent. Understandable that he played with his hand in the dirt in college but NFL tackles are bigger faster and stronger. Last year he showed relentless effort to get to the QB as a LB in key situations but not at DE. He will be looking for 50 Mill plus when we should be giving him low 40's. Glad we tagged him this shows we are willing to keep him one more year if they can't come to an understanding.

 

[1LoyalCowboyFan]

getting paid like a top pass rushing OLB is still higher than a average DE, He will still be getting paid as a above average DE, no way should he get paid as a top elite DE.

at over 8 million a year he will be a top 10 paid DE

Cameron Wake is making 8.3 a year, your telling me he is worth more than Cameron wake, Not IMO
http://www.overthecap.com/top-player-salaries.php?Position=43DE

I have no idea how contract negotiations go as far as what they refer to but Wake is a complete monster. If that is what he is getting paid don't think it be fair to pay Spencer more. But then who knows with Jerrah!

 

[Eskimo]

When you look at the existing pay scales at OLB and DE it is hard not to argue that Spencer is a $7-8M/yr player.

If Spencer and his agent don't want to accept this and we want to keep him I'd rather just pay him the franchise tag and let him go next year then sign him to Ware type money. He just isn't worth it and I don't want to get stuck with an albatross of a contract for a non-elite player at 30 years of age.

I truly find it strange that we franchised Spencer last year and truly wanted to sign him and yet couldn't get the deal done. That has never happened before to us and suggests that his agent has an enormously inflated view of Spencer's worth compared to other similar players in the league. Jerry has always shown a willingness to overpay his vets and it is a huge red flag to me that he couldn't justify signing Spencer to what him and his agent were demanding last year.

If only Jerry just hung tight and traded back last year for an extra pick and landed a CB, DE and OG in the first two rounds last year instead of trading up for a top 10 CB we may have been in a much stronger position to negotiate with Spencer.