What spencer deal should look like

[JesusQuintana]

You do realize that the NFL is all about setting the bar with players and money...In 2 years, this long term deal he signs today will just regress to the mean, as more players get paid, especially guys off their rookie capped contacts...That's reality in today's NFL...In the next year or so guys like JPP, JJ Watt, Aldon Smith are all going to be off their rookie contracts, and whatever you want him to settle for as a DE will start becoming more average.

Why do you think Flacco needed that extra $.6 million in his deal...To be the highest paid.

Why did Wallace need $2 million more or so in guaranteed money signing with Miami....To outdo Bowe's recent deal, and guess what...Bowe outdid Vincent Jackson's deal the year prior.

This is common knowledge.

 

[1LoyalCowboyFan]

You do realize that the NFL is all about setting the bar with players and money...In 2 years, this long term deal he signs today will just regress to the mean, as more players get paid, especially guys off their rookie capped contacts...That's reality in today's NFL...In the next year or so guys like JPP, JJ Watt, Aldon Smith are all going to be off their rookie contracts, and whatever you want him to settle for as a DE will start becoming more average.

Why do you think Flacco needed that extra $.6 million in his deal...To be the highest paid.

Why did Wallace need $2 million more or so in guaranteed money signing with Miami....To outdo Bowe's recent deal, and guess what...Bowe outdid Vincent Jackson's deal the year prior.

This is common knowledge.

hno::fact: It is how it works it is just hard to believe sometimes. What kind of leverage will bush have as the top rb in this market? Could you imagine what we could be in for withcarter, lee, and bryant!

 

[Echo9]

You do realize that the NFL is all about setting the bar with players and money...In 2 years, this long term deal he signs today will just regress to the mean, as more players get paid, especially guys off their rookie capped contacts...That's reality in today's NFL...In the next year or so guys like JPP, JJ Watt, Aldon Smith are all going to be off their rookie contracts, and whatever you want him to settle for as a DE will start becoming more average.

Why do you think Flacco needed that extra $.6 million in his deal...To be the highest paid.

Why did Wallace need $2 million more or so in guaranteed money signing with Miami....To outdo Bowe's recent deal, and guess what...Bowe outdid Vincent Jackson's deal the year prior.


This is common knowledge.

Welcome to the zone. Thanks for the simple straight forward non alarmist post. Post more

 

[JesusQuintana]

Welcome to the zone. Thanks for the simple straight forward non alarmist post. Post more

Thank you...No problem. I try to keep things as straight forward as they are..

The truth is, we are about to experience a first in NFL history, and it's going to be damn interesting to see how teams deal with it.

Next season will be the 3rd season since the rookie cap was enforced, where generally all rookies were signed to a 4 year deal in this new provision. These rookies, unlike the guys before them didn't see their huge contract where guys before them did (Stafford, Bradford, Russell etc.), and after year 3 they are eligible for a new contract. Teams are going to want to start getting these guys locked up, but with the bars being set higher every year, cap space will inevitably run out for teams that spend poorly.

Just to give you guys an idea of some of these players we are talking about...Some of the stand out rookies from the first rookie cap class include:
Cam Newton
Von Miller
AJ Green
Pat Peterson
Julio Jones
Aldon Smith
JJ Watt
Mo Wilkerson
Andy Dalton
Colin Kaepernick
DeMarco Murray

plus many others.

These guys are going to want to collect their first big paycheck, in a year where the cap is expected to remain stagnant again (I believe 2015 is the big increase). Ugly holdouts and even crazier movement might be upon us next year. This might only be the beginning.

*Quick Edit (More of a Sidenote)- Just thinking about this now. Cincy might be the only team truly ready for what might happen. They have a wealth of cap space available, and are really not using it right now to my knowledge. Quickly looking at that above list, they have 2 guys on there, that should command a ton of space, in a franchise WR and an absolute stud WR. Instead of really spending now and dissolving their cap room, they might be looking 2 years down the road.

 

[Verdict]

Spencer's deal should look like him riding off into the sunset out of Dallas and us getting a 3rd round comp pick for him next year.

 

[burmafrd]

Thank you...No problem. I try to keep things as straight forward as they are..

The truth is, we are about to experience a first in NFL history, and it's going to be damn interesting to see how teams deal with it.

Next season will be the 3rd season since the rookie cap was enforced, where generally all rookies were signed to a 4 year deal in this new provision. These rookies, unlike the guys before them didn't see their huge contract where guys before them did (Stafford, Bradford, Russell etc.), and after year 3 they are eligible for a new contract. Teams are going to want to start getting these guys locked up, but with the bars being set higher every year, cap space will inevitably run out for teams that spend poorly.

Just to give you guys an idea of some of these players we are talking about...Some of the stand out rookies from the first rookie cap class include:
Cam Newton
Von Miller
AJ Green
Pat Peterson
Julio Jones
Aldon Smith
JJ Watt
Mo Wilkerson
Andy Dalton
Colin Kaepernick
DeMarco Murray

plus many others.

These guys are going to want to collect their first big paycheck, in a year where the cap is expected to remain stagnant again (I believe 2015 is the big increase). Ugly holdouts and even crazier movement might be upon us next year. This might only be the beginning.

*Quick Edit (More of a Sidenote)- Just thinking about this now. Cincy might be the only team truly ready for what might happen. They have a wealth of cap space available, and are really not using it right now to my knowledge. Quickly looking at that above list, they have 2 guys on there, that should command a ton of space, in a franchise WR and an absolute stud WR. Instead of really spending now and dissolving their cap room, they might be looking 2 years down the road.

good point. Though its more than likely the first real increase will not come until 2016.

 

[supercowboy8]

The point to this thread is what his deak should be not what it will be. IMO if he wants more then trade, no way should Dallas pay him more than an average of 8 million a year at his age. I understand the the players union wants players to keep getting more and more money every year but we don't have to pay it, let some other team pay that.

 

[visionary]

The point to this thread is what his deak should be not what it will be. IMO if he wants more then trade, no way should Dallas pay him more than an average of 8 million a year at his age. I understand the the players union wants players to keep getting more and more money every year but we don't have to pay it, let some other team pay that.

i completely agree with you that we should not overpay spencer

the problem is both he and romo know they have us over a barrel and create even little cap space, we will have to get long-term deals done with them

no way i sign spencer to a long-term deal or give romo 4+ years

this is what happens to poorly run organizations where the GM does not know how to evaluate talent (so drafts are poor) and the VP Pro-personnel is his son and does not know how the salary cap works (so FA contracts are bad)

the reality is that we were poorly prepared to deal with an issue (the contracts of spencer and romo as they pertain to their value and FA) that we should have been preparing to deal with for months, and then we are scrambling at the last minute to restructure 50 players as if the NFL moved up the date for FA by a month and caught us by surprise

on any team the key positions are the GM, the pro-personnel guy, and the HC

funny thing is that on this team all 3 of those positions are held by people not qualified to hold those positions that are in those positions based solely on nepotism, money, or personal preference

and we wonder why we are mediocre

this is why

 

[supercowboy8]

I agree that's why we need to stop this BS. If Spencer wants over 8 a year average, then trade him. Romo too, I'm a big Romo fan and would hate to see him leave, but if he doesn't want to make a long term deal that's best for both sides, send him packing too.
Also need to cut free now. I do kit understand why that hasn't happened. As of right kow Spencer, Romo, and Free are the top 3 cap hits this year for this team making up just over 37 million of the cap this year. That means our other 48 players make up 86 million. That's crazy to have 3 players make up 30% of your cap in one year.

 

[JesusQuintana]

I agree that's why we need to stop this BS. If Spencer wants over 8 a year average, then trade him. Romo too, I'm a big Romo fan and would hate to see him leave, but if he doesn't want to make a long term deal that's best for both sides, send him packing too.
Also need to cut free now. I do kit understand why that hasn't happened. As of right kow Spencer, Romo, and Free are the top 3 cap hits this year for this team making up just over 37 million of the cap this year. That means our other 48 players make up 86 million. That's crazy to have 3 players make up 30% of your cap in one year.

The thing is, this isn't Madden, you can't just trade players on a whim.

The problem Dallas is having with Spencer, is the same thing that will happen elsewhere. Once he signed his tender he picked up a strong footing on contract negotiations. In order to trade Spencer, a team will have to be willing to give up a fairly valuable pick (I assume that's what you would want), and then extend Spencer for top 10 DE money, for a guy that's had 1 really productive season in his career.

 

[visionary]

The thing is, this isn't Madden, you can't just trade players on a whim.

The problem Dallas is having with Spencer, is the same thing that will happen elsewhere. Once he signed his tender he picked up a strong footing on contract negotiations. In order to trade Spencer, a team will have to be willing to give up a fairly valuable pick (I assume that's what you would want), and then extend Spencer for top 10 DE money, for a guy that's had 1 really productive season in his career.

while i agree with you, the real question is why is dallas having this problerm with spencer?

this problem and a not dis-similar issue with romo's contract should not come as a surprise to the team

should we not have seen this problem coming a mile away?

the real problem is poor planning and the inability to evaluate assets and liabilities by our inept FO

 

[speedkilz88]

*Quick Edit (More of a Sidenote)- Just thinking about this now. Cincy might be the only team truly ready for what might happen. They have a wealth of cap space available, and are really not using it right now to my knowledge. Quickly looking at that above list, they have 2 guys on there, that should command a ton of space, in a franchise WR and an absolute stud WR. Instead of really spending now and dissolving their cap room, they might be looking 2 years down the road.

Some teams are just cheap and will skate the minimum allowed under the cap.

 

[perrykemp]

while i agree with you, the real question is why is dallas having this problerm with spencer?

this problem and a not dis-similar issue with romo's contract should not come as a surprise to the team

should we not have seen this problem coming a mile away?

the real problem is poor planning and the inability to evaluate assets and liabilities by our inept FO

Having to franchise a guy two years in row is fairly rare for all sorts of reasons the most obvious being that you carrying a $10m+ fully guaranteed contract that is eating up 1/12 of the entire salary cap for a single guy on your 53 man roster.

How the front-office got in this position of having to re-apply the franchise tag in really hard to comprehend.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

The thing is, this isn't Madden, you can't just trade players on a whim.

The problem Dallas is having with Spencer, is the same thing that will happen elsewhere. Once he signed his tender he picked up a strong footing on contract negotiations. In order to trade Spencer, a team will have to be willing to give up a fairly valuable pick (I assume that's what you would want), and then extend Spencer for top 10 DE money, for a guy that's had 1 really productive season in his career.

They don't have to if the Cowboys are willing to settle for a lessor pick.

 

[JesusQuintana]

They don't have to if the Cowboys are willing to settle for a lessor pick.

Absolutely, but settling for something and Dallas isn't exactly a common thing. Again, the money will be the real factor in a trade...What is he seeking, and where will he play in the defense that he's going to.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Absolutely, but settling for something and Dallas isn't exactly a common thing. Again, the money will be the real factor in a trade...What is he seeking, and where will he play in the defense that he's going to.

That's a given and the team already knows what he's asking and probably has a pretty good idea of what he will take. They also know where he will play. All of those things are secondary to the issue.

The statement was, it will be harder to move him because of his Salary demands and also because it would require a 1st. I am simply saying that it does not necessarily have to be a 1st. It could be a 2nd or whatever the Cowboys might be willing to accept.

 

[JesusQuintana]

That's a given and the team already knows what he's asking and probably has a pretty good idea of what he will take. They also know where he will play. All of those things are secondary to the issue.

The statement was, it will be harder to move him because of his Salary demands and also because it would require a 1st. I am simply saying that it does not necessarily have to be a 1st. It could be a 2nd or whatever the Cowboys might be willing to accept.

I agree with you. I stated all this originally, just putting it in the context of for the OP. Dallas will probably have to come down on any pick compensation in order to avoid the burden of a long term deal if that's the route they choose to go.

 

[cowboysooner]

Wait till the one trick pony Averil deal comes through. It won't be pretty. BTW, the cheapo Bengals also tagged Micheal Johnson at $11mm per year.

 

[Idgit]

Wait till the one trick pony Averil deal comes through. It won't be pretty. BTW, the cheapo Bengals also tagged Micheal Johnson at $11mm per year.

I'm curious to see what Avril's deal looks like, too.