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Patriots vs. '92 Cowboys
November 13, 2007 1:08 PM

ESPN's Sal Paolantonio wrote today that if the Patriots complete their perfect season, they will be the greatest Super Bowl team in history. He says no other team would be close, although I think Jimmy Johnson and his '92 Cowboys might have something to say about that.

Sal, a longtime Hashmarks supporter, compared the Patriots to the '89 49ers, the '85 Bears and '72 Dolphins. I've read so much lately about the Dolphins' weak schedule (.367 winning percentage) that I'm afraid Bill Belichick might hang 50 on them.

Sal indicated that the '85 Bears and '89 49ers weren't in the same class as the 2007 Patriots, but I'd sure love to see Mike Singletary (next Baylor head coach?) and that defense take a crack at Tom Brady.

I actually think the aforementioned '92 Cowboys team that beat the Bills, 52-17, in Super Bowl XXVII would be a better test for the Patriots than either the '85 Bears or the '89 49ers.

Michael Irvin compares favorably to Randy Moss, although Moss is a bigger-play threat. Emmitt Smith obviously wins the matchup with Laurence Maroney, and Tom Brady and Troy Aikman are pretty close, with each quarterback leading his team to three Super Bowl titles. I do think Brady gets the nod because he won his Super Bowls without a couple of Hall of Fame talents at receiver and running back.

The Patriots have the edge in the passing game because Wes Welker and Donte Stallworth are better than Alvin Harper and Kelvin Martin.

The Cowboys have the better offensive line with left tackle Mark Tunei, left guard Nate Newton, center Mark Stepnoski and right tackle Erik Williams all being Pro Bowl-caliber players.

I think the Patriots have more talent on the defensive line, although the Cowboys started Tony Tolbert, Tony Casillas, Russell Maryland and Charles Haley. Richard Seymour and Vince Wilfork are virtually unstoppable for the Patriots.
New England also has better players at linebacker. Adalius Thomas is one of the best athletes in the league, but I think he's probably the fourth or fifth best player on his own defense right now. Ken Norton was a great linebacker for the Cowboys, but Robert Jones and Vinson Smith don't measure up.

The Cowboys had Issaic Holt and Kevin "Pup" Smith splitting time at one cornerback position and Larry Brown starting at the other. Former Baylor great Thomas Everett and James Washington started at the safety spots.

I think Asante Samuel and Ellis Hobbs probably win at cornerback, but it's a wash at safety, where Eugene Wilson and Rodney Harrison start for the Patriots.

I talked to Newton about this matchup last week, and he's convinced his team would find a way to win. I'll ask Aikman next time we talk since he's a little more objective.

On a neutral field, I think this is a pick'em. What do you guys think?


Mike Singletary, Michael Irvin, Randy Moss, Tom Brady, Emmitt Smith, Troy Aikman, Donte Stallworth, Mark Stepnoski, Erik Williams, Tony Tolbert, Tony Casillas, Russell Maryland, Charles Haley, Richard Seymour, Vince Wilfork, Adalius Thomas, Ken Norton, Robert Jones, Vinson Smith, Issiac Holt, Larry Brown, Eugene Wilson, Asante Samuel, Ellis Hobbs

If this is what it takes to win a game aganist theses Patriots and maybe at that. We are screwed.:banghead:
 

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How many times does it have to be repeated... The best NFL teams of the early 90s were far better than anything in the salary cap era.

I thought the Pats might be the exception to that rule, but that close game at Indy changed my mind. The 92 or 93 Cowboys would kill this Pats team. And the 94 Niners probably would, too.
 

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Tom Brady and Troy Aikman are pretty close, with each quarterback leading his team to three Super Bowl titles. I do think Brady gets the nod because he won his Super Bowls without a couple of Hall of Fame talents at receiver and running back


Yeah but the Cowboys won their superbowls going away (closest one was a 10 point win) while the Pats barely squeeked by and they needed to cheat to even get that done.


Edit: And who have the pats beat in their superbowls? The cowboys beat the bills twice (by a lot) and they have multiple hall of famers from those teams (Kelly, Thurman Thomas, Possibly Reed, and for sure Bruce Smith).

The Pats have beaten the Rams (Marshal Faulk the ONLY sure fire HOF'er), the Panthers (no sure fire hall of famers) and the Eagles (TO the only possible HOFer unless the media is dumb and votes in McNabb).


So the cowboys beat the living hell out of teams with multiple hall of famers, and the pats cheated to BARELY beat teams that have one sure fire hall of famer.


Yeah, cowboys were the better team, HANDS DOWN.
 

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was anyone else giggling half way through this crap?

i thought it was hilarious.
 

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Why do people give so much credence to these mediots and their OPINIONS?

Who gives a damn what he thinks.
 

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Who says the the Pats who won the Super Bowls by a field goal could even beat the 90's Bills? I don't think they could....
 

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That Bills team was tough - any team who makes 4 straight SBs would give any team from now a fright - would probably beat at least 25 of them without breaking into a sweat
 

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They beat the Rams by 3 poins, after cheating to even make it to the Super Bowl! They beat the Panthers by 3 points! How many HOFer/Pro Bowl players do the Panthers boast? They beat the Eagles by 3 points! How many HOFer/Pro Bowl players do the Eagles boast?

We beat a loaded Bills team 52 - 17! In our WORST Super Bowl performance we still won by more points than all of their 3 SBs combined!!!!
 

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gazjor1;1764097 said:
That Bills team was tough - any team who makes 4 straight SBs would give any team from now a fright - would probably beat at least 25 of them without breaking into a sweat
I hated The Bills in those days but I do agree with you
This is all "What have you done lately.

I love the way they always try and compare teams of now to teams of the Past.

Just Impossible.

Opinions are like ,,,,, Well you know.;)
 

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I thought the Indy had a good chance of beating NE if that had good sustained drives in the first half and kept NE off the field for the most part. They did that without M Harrison and probably would have won that game if Marvin was healthy.

I think the Cowboys would have manhandled the Patriots defense all day long and while the Patriots may score a few points the Cowboys win 4 of 5.
 

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Folks get so worked up over these guestimations.

No one can prove who would have beat whom.

It's an exercise in futility.

But I do think the Pats of today could have beaten the 85 Bears. Marino beat the Bears' blitz with his accurate passing, and he had Mark Duper and Mark Clayton. The Pats have Moss, Welker and Stallworth.

I don't see how it's impossible to believe the Pats could have beaten the Bears.

As for the Pats being the 1989 Niners and 1992 Cowboys, I don't know. Both teams were scoring machines and had speed on defense. Plus, the Cowboys had a mauling offensive line and a running game that would wear defenses down.

Wish we could prove who would win but because we can't I can't get worked up over it.
 

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If that Bills team went to 4 straight Superbowls in this era they possibly would win all 4 times.

Plus I remember a team going into Green Bay on thanksgiving without Troy Aikman and beating a great Packer team.

You think the Pats would have much success without Brady? I dont think so.

Pats MIGHT have a better QB but an overall team? Its not even close its laughable.
 

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Carolina had Julius Peppers. One HOF guy only. Rams had pace and faulk.
Philthy- TO and maybe Dawkins. The Bills will have at least as many as all three of those teams together when its all said and done.
 

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burmafrd;1764477 said:
Carolina had Julius Peppers. One HOF guy only. Rams had pace and faulk.
Philthy- TO and maybe Dawkins. The Bills will have at least as many as all three of those teams together when its all said and done.

No way in hell would I call Peppers a sure fire Hall of Famer. Debatable? Sure. But he's not in any way a "Sure fire" hall of famer. He's been great a few seasons. He's been invisible this season (a whopping 1.5 sacks).


It's too early to say with him.
 

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Rack;1764485 said:
No way in hell would I call Peppers a sure fire Hall of Famer. Debatable? Sure. But he's not in any way a "Sure fire" hall of famer. He's been great a few seasons. He's been invisible this season (a whopping 1.5 sacks).


It's too early to say with him.


:laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:

No way Peppers is a HOF'er...!
 
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