What Tony Pollard’s Numbers Make Clear

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  1. RonnieT24

    RonnieT24 Well-Known Member

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    Not only do I like to see this.. Until our defense gets a LOT better it's something we absolutely NEED. We cannot be a feast or famine offense because people think this is fantasy football. Yeah it's fun to watch 3 play 75 yard drives that use 1:30 off the clock .. but the flip side is that turns the ball back over to the other team and we get to watch them go 75 yards in 10 plays pounding OUR defense. Even if we trade scores early on the other team is doing more damage to our defense than we are theirs and eventually we end up on the losing end.
  2. Diehardblues

    Diehardblues Well-Known Member

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    Wondering if they taught paragraphs at Harvard? Lol
  3. RonnieT24

    RonnieT24 Well-Known Member

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    They may have but I slept through those lessons.. I was eagerly anticipating football practice during freshman Comp..
  4. Diehardblues

    Diehardblues Well-Known Member

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    Well, that explains it. Lol
  5. DandyDon52

    DandyDon52 Well-Known Member

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    I doubt they will keep giving pollard more carries than elliot. It is possible but I doubt it .
    I was surprised pollard got that many carries.
    I was shocked they ran so much and passed so little, it was a balanced attack, but again I dont see them continuing that.
    But maybe they surprise me.
  6. Streetwise

    Streetwise Taco Engineer

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    It's week to week, case by case. Moore is utilizing the variety of skilled players on offense according to the what the defense presents. No two games will be alike.
    The reality is Pollard isn't going to match up and produce every week like he did vs LA.
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  7. DandyDon52

    DandyDon52 Well-Known Member

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    Pollard also had 3 KO returns for 71 yds.
    The chargers rb's only got 13 carries lol, but were avg 5 and 6 yds per carry !
    Pollard had 8.3 avg
  8. quickccc

    quickccc Well-Known Member

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    And while you talk of his 4.7 avg. .. how many 20, 30 or 40 yard runs did he have that 2018 year ?

    Think it should not matter ? DeMarco Murray still holds the Cowboys single season rushing record with 1845+ yards rushing,.. even more than any season zeke has had as NFL rush champ - and even our 2 Hall of Famers Emmitt and Dorsett. and ironically he had the same avg. as Zeke in 2018 .. 4.7 avg.

    - Just as you say many backs would kill for a 4.7 avg, ..how many RBs would’ve killed for an 1800+ rushing season ?
    But yet Cowboys allowed Murray to walk outta door and never thought to re-sign and invest long term wise in him.

    - Why ?... because they clearly thought he was just a serviceable workhorse. They obviously wanted much more at the RB role as a franchise back.
  9. quickccc

    quickccc Well-Known Member

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    "He's Fast " ?
    its’ a reason why Zeke took to the offseason with shedding weight and bulk, in an effort to recapture- rejuvenate that 2016 speed. That doesn’t sound like Zeke was focused on a 4.7 avg.
    He had to be more focused and driven to gaining more splash plays .. more 20 and 40 yard plays.
    If a lack of speed and splash big runs wasn't a concern, i highly doubt that would not have been a priority drive
    for him this offseason.

    - Long runs tend to diminish as they “mature “ in the league ? … I would think with certain backs tend the long runs diminish as they begin to show wear and tear.
    Ala Chris Johnson, Leshaun Shady McCoy, ..Levion Bell, Marshawn Lynch, and even the
    aforementioned Adrian Peterson.

    I would've thought as much as Titans ride Derrick Henry’s back, it’d be soon before we saw wear-tear toll upon him as well. But seeing him Still rolling off 60 yard TD runs this past Sunday, , he still proving a long homerun, splash play back.
    So what about Zeke ?

    Once the speed is gone, then its’ just resorting to power, which means since there’s no speed to run away
    from more excessive pounding, so he really has no choice but to absorb pounding, how long do you think it'd be
    before the wear adds to the decline ?

    - When you’re that much slower into-out of the hole, ..when linemen have to hold their blocks that much longer, ...
    when your movement and lack of burst s making the offense that more slower in the backfield..? .
  10. ondaedg

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    Power running games are hard to keep going unless your Oline is dominating. Not taking anything away from Henry but Zeke would have success on that team because the RBs aren’t even getting touched until they’re 3yds past the LOS. No team is even close to that kind of blocking performance. The more weapons Moore utilizes the tougher it is for a DC to scheme us.

    And no way we can primarily be a power running team when your D is giving up 430yds/g.
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  11. RonnieT24

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    No we can't.. but I submit that the power running helped dominate the time of possession which in turn helped the defense not get exposed as often.. The Titans offensive line IS killing fools.. but even they were only getting like 3 ypc against Seattle until late in the game. The difference is that the Titans didn't care.. they kept giving Henry the ball.. he had 24 carries for 72 yards entering the 4th quarter.. He went for 60 on his 25th carry. Who here thinks we'd ever see the Cowboys keep feeding Zeke the ball 25 carries while he's getting 3 yards a tote? ESPECIALLY when they were 14 points down?
  12. LovinItAll

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    It's like spitting into the wind with the guys that try to compare Tony and Zeke's numbers in a vacuum. Go back and watch every running play against the Chargers. I've done it twice. Had Zeke rushed the ball 25-27 times with the same play calls against the same personnel, he'd have rushed for 130+, and I really think he'd have had over a buck and a half.

    Pollard isn't better than Zeke. Pollard isn't faster than Zeke at Zeke's current weight. He's not 'quicker' and doesn't have more 'burst'. They both went to the combine and ran timed 40s and splits. It's in black and white. It's not like Zeke is a decade older than Tony. They're two years apart.

    You think Zeke's contract is bad? Okay, I can respect that opinion whether I agree with it or not.

    But calling Pollard a better running back because you looked at a stat sheet? Please.......
  13. 75boyz

    75boyz Well-Known Member

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    Nice post. I've learned my lesson there as well. I agree.
  14. OldJarhead

    OldJarhead Well-Known Member

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    Your opinion is wrong. Period, end of sentence.
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  15. MountaineerCowboy

    MountaineerCowboy Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, insightful feedback there. Good work.
  16. Bobhaze

    Bobhaze Moderator

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    Did you read the OP?
    Quotes from that:
    “Am I saying Zeke is not necessary? Absolutely NOT. Zeke is still a valuable offensive weapon too.”
    “Once again, not saying Zeke is no good or shouldn’t play. Just saying that Pollard is more of a big play threat and needs to get more touches per game. The numbers are clear”.
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  17. Xeven

    Xeven Well-Known Member

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    Zeke just does not seem to plan beyond initial yardage. He gets that first burst and done. Pollard literally looks like he is trying to find that spot for second burst.
  18. Typhus

    Typhus Catching Catfish

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    Zeke will have his day
    Zeke will have his time
    Zeke is a luxury
  19. kskboys

    kskboys Well-Known Member

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    Same here.
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  20. LovinItAll

    LovinItAll Well-Known Member

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    Yes, I read it. Did you read my post? I'm saying Pollard most definitely is NOT more of a big play threat when comparing apples to apples.

    I'm a fan of both Zeke and Pollard. I support them as a two back threat. I'm also saying Zeke would've gotten every yard Tony got on Sunday running through those massive lanes opened up on the right side, which is where Tony ran on Sunday. Zeke had 3 runs right of center, including his TD. Tony had 9, and that's where 90% of his yards were gained.

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