What will it take for Quinn's defense to be Dominant

[kskboys]

1) We’ve been talking about being “out-physical” for some time, and from various DC’s …

The low regard for a quality 1 tech. while it does take more than one player to make a very good run defense – we’ve never had a 1 tech that was effective and top notch enuff to where a great 1 tech is a great start to build upon finally having a formidable run defense, but its' also about the other DL, ..the LBs ....the scheme and philosophy.

Take a look at all of the revolving door that has come and gone at 1 tech, Terrell McClain, Antwan Woods, Nick Hayden, Carlos Watkins ... None of those are difference makers,.. no Snack Harrison, ..we've never tried to upgrade that position that extent. Just JAGs

2) Ditto with safeties, ..just as low regards for a quality 1 tech, same always revolving door at safeties. Always a Money Ball Approach.
Hopes Malik Hooker works out, but someone with his injury history and durability trend ?
Otherwise here comes the Damontae Kazee Xavier Woods, Jeff Heath, JJ Wilcox, Gerald Sensabaugh, etc, etc.

- yes, the RDE will have to be established, we're still awaiting for a difference making 3 tech,.. aside from Micah, what else do we have at off LB ?
- Leighton Vander Esch ? A decent player with great size but questionable so-so instincts ? We have to greatly upgrade here as well.
Losing out on a Bobby Wagner was another Stephen Jones loss, imo.
- Diggs has to stay consistent with not giving up as many big plays despite the INTs
- There has to be a better option than Anthony Brown whose maxed out
- Dlaw cannot keep having injury issues and 4 sacks a season
- i can get the Hybrid scheme, but it also got rolled over vs run in games like Denver, Pats and Niners

You cannot have a good playoff D w/o a good 1 tech and good S's. Simply not happening.

 

[quickccc]

The only thing keeping them being elite in 2021 was penalties...most in the league on both sides of the ball.

so without the penalties, we instantly become stout vs the run ? ... yeh OK....

 

[quickccc]

To be a dominant defense it all starts up front with a relentless pass rush and being able to consistently stop the run. You can’t have a part-time edge rusher leading your team in sacks and be dominant. The Cowboys are a long way from being a dominant defense.

i agree on one part of your post, that it does start up front and depends upon what happens in the trenches.

Although another dominant defense unit of an era, the Legion of Boom did not have all pro DTs, and did not have All pro DEs until Michael Bennett began
to emerge in the mid 2000's, and Franke Clark later on, but had enough competitors and sub package guys overall that did enuff to stop the run
and rush the passer and played in such a physical manner and mode and had such an instinctive playmakers and ball hawks

We had a chance at such an instinctive off the LB, and Stephen Jones, once again blew such an opportunity.
Imo, we're still short of help at the off the ball LB role (ala LVE)

 

[KJJ]

i agree on one part of your post, that it does start up front and depends upon what happens in the trenches.

Although another dominant defense unit of an era, the Legion of Boom did not have all pro DTs, and did not have All pro DEs until Michael Bennett began
to emerge in the mid 2000's, and Franke Clark later on, but had enough competitors and sub package guys overall that did enuff to stop the run
and rush the passer and played in such a physical manner and mode and had such an instinctive playmakers and ball hawks

We had a chance at such an instinctive off the LB, and Stephen Jones, once again blew such an opportunity.
Imo, we're still short of help at the off the ball LB role (ala LVE)

The legion of boom had no weaknesses. They could get after the passer, could shut down a running game and they had the best safety, LB and corner in the league. Denver had arguably the greatest offense in the history of the game in 2013 and the legion of boom shut them down in the Super Bowl. They won the battle in the trenches. We have one great player on defense and he has to play two positions.

 

[quickccc]

There is no such thing as a “dominant” defense anymore in the NFL….and that’s the way the owners planned it. Having said that- Can Dallas have a really good defense in 2022? Perhaps.

One of the things it did well last year that is difficult to repeat was the abundance of turnovers they generated. Even though our D was much improved last year, (it had nowhere to go but up) the turnovers masked much of its lingering problems. Like not being able to stop the run as we saw in critical moments last year, especially in the lone playoff game.

I will consider this defense worthy of praise when it can get critical stops in key moments and not depend solely on turnovers as its method of getting stops. And maybe seeing a legit pass rush that doesn’t require our only defensive star and playmaker to generate it. He was worn down last year because so much was required of him. In short, Parsons needs help.

The days of a true “Doomsday” defense like the 70s or 90s, when our defense could literally impose its will on an offense and smother it, are sadly gone.

- What helps create turnovers is ball hawks and a scheme that best emphasizes and places players in position for turnovers
It's not just INTs, but QB sack-strip fumbles, and peanut punch like tackles.

- Players like Parsons created several sack strip fumbles. and by the way Quinn moves him around and in so many formations and coming from both sides and
and up the middle, i don't see teams being able to counter scheme and block him effectively.

- If we're talking 70's doomsday, steel curtain and purple people eaters .. that's just living waay too much in the Rod Stewart's Time Machine days
Teams were going no huddle and spread doing the defensive days of Legion of Boom or Belichek's number on Jared Goff,
or Bucs shutting down Mahomes in SB bouts.

- i suggest that it would be better for Cowboys to have more of a dominant defense - than just being satisfied by a downhill defense, that can only play
competitive according to the success of the offense.

- Despite those misleading offensive numbers that has us No.1 in yards, etc. it's gonna take more of a defensive effort to get us over the hump
when our offense bogs down ..especially come playoff time

 

[quickccc]

The legion of boom had no weaknesses. They could get after the passer, could shut down a running game and they had the best safety, LB and corner in the league. Denver had arguably the greatest offense in the history of the game in 2013 and the legion of boom shut them down in the Super Bowl. They won the battle in the trenches. We have one great player on defense and he has to play two positions.

the Legion of Boom actually did have a weakness,.. if you had a physical enuff OL and smash run game, they had vulnerability vs the run.
When we went onto their loud hostile home turf at Seattle, we amassed 162 rushing yards led by DeMarco Murray's 115 rush yards.
the big key was to keep the game competitive close and don't give them a chance to pin back their ears and tee off on your QB.

Not everyone had a physical enuff run game and physical OL unit. ( ala Peyton Manning vs Seattle in SB)

 

[Big D]

I would be happy with 3 less penalties per game.

 

[KJJ]

the Legion of Boom actually did have a weakness,.. if you had a physical enuff OL and smash run game, they had vulnerability vs the run.
When we went onto their loud hostile home turf at Seattle, we amassed 162 rushing yards led by DeMarco Murray's 115 rush yards.
the big key was to keep the game competitive close and don't give them a chance to pin back their ears and tee off on your QB.

Not everyone had a physical enuff run game and physical OL unit. ( ala Peyton Manning vs Seattle in SB)

That was one game, Seattle was ranked number one in total defense that season and seventh against the run. Our OL was becoming the best in the league and we had the top rusher that season. We got the better of them that day but we saw how that season turned out. The legion of boom was one of the top all-time defenses. Even the great 85 Bears defense got it handed to them once that season.

 

[quickccc]

That was one game, Seattle was ranked number one in total defense that season and seventh against the run. Our OL was becoming the best in the league and we had the top rusher that season. We got the better of them that day but we saw how that season turned out. The legion of boom was one of the top all-time defenses.

Not every one and every team has a physical enuff run game to offset Seattle defense. ... we did . .
.Denver did not rely on a run game vs Seattle, and the Hawks ere able to tee off on Manning in a blow out SB win, ..

 

[ConstantReboot]

the Legion of Boom actually did have a weakness,.. if you had a physical enuff OL and smash run game, they had vulnerability vs the run.
When we went onto their loud hostile home turf at Seattle, we amassed 162 rushing yards led by DeMarco Murray's 115 rush yards.
the big key was to keep the game competitive close and don't give them a chance to pin back their ears and tee off on your QB.

Not everyone had a physical enuff run game and physical OL unit. ( ala Peyton Manning vs Seattle in SB)

But that 2016 Cowboys team was built on running the ball with 3 all pro lineman. Every team that year was demolished by our run game, not only Seattle.

 

[quickccc]

But that 2016 Cowboys team was built on running the ball with 3 all pro lineman. Every team that year was demolished by our run game, not only Seattle.

2016 was the Zeke run game.. zeke's year

2014 (vs Seattle) was the Demarco Murray game

 

[KJJ]

Not every one and every team has a physical enuff run game to offset Seattle defense. ... we did . .
.Denver did not rely on a run game vs Seattle, and the Hawks ere able to tee off on Manning in a blow out SB win, ..

Seattle was ranked seventh against the run that season that’s not a weakness. We got the better of them that day it’s a simple as that! Correction: we beat them in 2014 during the season they lost to New England in the Super Bowl. They beat Denver the previous season.

 

[quickccc]

Seattle was ranked seventh against the run that season that’s not a weakness. We got the better of them that day it’s a simple as that! Correction: we beat them in 2014 during the season they lost to New England in the Super Bowl. They beat Denver the previous season.

We pounded and ran on them for 162 rushing yards ... we imposed our will on them and out physical them .. that helped limit the touches russell wilson could get
along with our own defense that stood up to Russel Wilson for only 9 first downs for them ..

by the way, ..in 2014, Murray ran for a single season record of 1800 yards ...still to this day as a Cowboys club record.

 

[KJJ]

We pounded and ran on them for 162 rushing yards ... we imposed our will on them and out physical them .. that helped limit the touches russell wilson could get
along with our own defense that stood up to Russel Wilson for only 9 first downs for them ..

by the way, ..in 2014, Murray ran for a single season record of 1800 yards ...still to this day as a Cowboys club record.

We imposed our will on them that day because we had the best OL in the league with the NFL’s top rusher that season. We didn’t impose our will on anyone in the playoffs that season.

 

[quickccc]

We imposed our will on that day because we had the best OL in the league with the NFL’s top rusher that season. We didn’t impose our will on anyone in the playoffs that season.

We actually did ... in the very same 2014 year ... we impose our will , our run game on Packers Defense .. Murray ran for a 123 yards and almost a 5.0 avg
but that was compounded by a critical fumble on a long run, that was a game changing momentum breaker ...

..and everyone very well knows about the killer ref call on Dez Bryant's no catch TD rule Those were killer game changers that caused us a playoff advancement.

 

[KJJ]

We actually did ... in the very same 2014 year ... we impose our will , our run game on Packers Defense .. Murray ran for a 123 yards and almost a 5.0 avg
but that was compounded by a critical fumble on a long run, that was a game changing momentum breaker ...

..and everyone very well knows about the killer ref call on Dez Bryant's no catch TD rule Those were killer game changers that caused us a playoff advancement.

When you impose your will on an opponent you don’t end up losing.

 

[visionary]

A dominant defense requires the ability to stop the run and pressure the passer with just the front 4

that requires a great 1T DT

our biggest weakness for several years

 

[DandyDon52]

What will it take for this Dan Quinn's defense to be Dominant ?

Not downhill, .. not just opportunistic .. but Dominant ?

Its' exciting to have a Parsons, just as it was exciting to have a DWare.
Its exciting to be in the playoffs and run thru the NFC East opposition,.to which it's difficult to repeat per trend history
But come playoff, we're exited out of there ...because of the Defense

- Either its Aaron Rodgers doing a number on us .. or it's teams like the Rams and
Niners " out-physical " us outta the playoffs

- Despite having Parson, DLaw and Gregory.. and a playmaker in secondary in Diggs, we still have been an inconsistent defense that vs the run, does not stop the more competitive teams from running the ball on us.

- When will it come a time when our Cowboys defenses finally change and dictate what
opposing teams cannot do to us ?

What else is needed on this Defense for it to be dominant ?

get better at stopping the run.
get more turnovers
better on 3rd downs
tough Attitude and desire to win, not be divas.

 

[quickccc]

When you impose your will on an opponent you don’t end up losing.

.... It was the defense that yet again was the let down ... A Marinelli led defense that once again could not halt Aaron Rodgers
... and a one legged Rodgers at that.

" ..Leon can't do every thing... "

 

[KJJ]

.... It was the defense that yet again was the let down ... A Marinelli led defense that once again could not halt Aaron Rodgers
... and a one legged Rodgers at that.

" ..Leon can't do every thing... "

The defense clearly cost us that game. We have no answers for Aaron Rodgers in postseason. To win in the playoffs you have to be able to impose your will defensively.