What would you consider a huge improvment for Petitti

[BigDFan5]

How many sacks given up does he have to keep his number at to be considered a "huge improvement. Go on the record now.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

9 would be huge IMO, he's young, so he's not going to be giving up less than 5

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I voted 8 also.

The only problem I have with this poll (I do give you credit for starting it...) is that it doesn't take into account the running game factor. To me if he allowed 0 sacks and the running game averaged 3.6 ypc... well that wouldn't cut it.

If Rob gave up 8 sacks and we averaged a solid 4.0 ypc-- I'd be very pleased.

 

[tomson75]

i think this is easier to answer in the context of the O-line as a whole. if he can manage to cut his sacks in half, and the rest of the line can keep numbers similar to what they've done in previous years, then we've made drastic improvements.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

i think this is easier to answer in the context of the O-line as a whole. if he can manage to cut his sacks in half, and the rest of the line can keep numbers similar to what they've done in previous years, then we've made drastic improvements.

another point is the passing game as a whole, if we have to go to more max-protect schemes, such as the 2-TEs on the field staying back to help in pass-protection, more than they are getting into their routes, then it's obvious Pettiti is holding us back, and not making that substantial of progress

alot of things we could look at, but even still, compared to all the things the coaches are looking at, it might not be enough to gauge his true improvement, or not

 

[tomson75]

another point is the passing game as a whole, if we have to go to more max-protect schemes, such as the 2-TEs on the field staying back to help in pass-protection, more than they are getting into their routes, then it's obvious Pettiti is holding us back, and not making that substantial of progress

alot of things we could look at, but even still, compared to all the things the coaches are looking at, it might not be enough to gauge his true improvement, or not

i REALLY hope that with the additional recieving threats we've aquired, that teams wont be able to load up on us in the box this year. if we play nearly the amount of max-protect that we did last year then somethings wrong...and you're right, we won't truly be able to guage Pettiti's improvement.

 

[tomson75]

if fasano pans out and shows the ability to catch the ball like he did at Notre Dame, i would think it would give def. coordinators pause at throwing that extra linebacker or safety towards Bledsoe.

 

[Eskimo]

If he allows 10 or less sacks without requiring constant double team help I would consider that a dramatic improvement.

 

[The30YardSlant]

Not giving up 4 in one game would be a good start

 

[2233boys]

Not sucking.

 

[big dog cowboy]

I voted 8 also.

The only problem I have with this poll (I do give you credit for starting it...) is that it doesn't take into account the running game factor. To me if he allowed 0 sacks and the running game averaged 3.6 ypc... well that wouldn't cut it.

If Rob gave up 8 sacks and we averaged a solid 4.0 ypc-- I'd be very pleased.

That sounds pretty reasonable. I got a feeling this poll is a result of my post on the other thread. There are so many different things to take into consideration that to point to the number of sacks allowed as a barometer is extremely misleading.

Take Drew pat pat pat Bledsoe. If he holds on the ball for to long and Petitti gets the blame for even 2 more sacks than he otherwise would have, this place will go nuts. It's almost a no win situation for him. Hopefully we will be able to see a obvious improvement so there won't be another off season like this one.

 

[2233boys]

That sounds pretty reasonable. I got a feeling this poll is a result of my post on the other thread. There are so many different things to take into consideration that to point to the number of sacks allowed as a barometer is extremely misleading.

Take Drew pat pat pat Bledsoe. If he holds on the ball for to long and Petitti gets the blame for even 2 more sacks than he otherwise would have, this place will go nuts. It's almost a no win situation for him. Hopefully we will be able to see a obvious improvement so there won't be another off season like this one.

As I said, the guy sucked last year, he doesn't have to do much to improve. He was horrible last year... He was clueless and overwhelmed every game, and showed it on National TV crying for help... I doubt the guy starts, although that would be what is best for the team. (Thus having Fabini as a backup for both sides)

 

[AbeBeta]

So it is just about pass protection now?

 

[2233boys]

So it is just about pass protection now?

Nope, just about not sucking...

 

[MONT17]

did anyone grade lower than BIG ROB at RT last year? I dont think so and this is with him getting help... anything is an improvement, really!!!

If Pettie doesnt understand that he plays with a QB who holds the ball, so its okay to give up a clp of extra sacks here and there... he will be on the BENCH!!! Parcells will not stand for that...

I get that defenses may not be loading up on BIG ROB but its not like anyone is asking him to BLOCK 2 people... he blocks the DE 95% of the time no matter if a blitz is called or not!!!


keep fishin!!!




Improvement? I would say if he lines up like a proper RT and not 3 yards off the ball that would be a HUGE IMPROVEMENT to me... and it should let all of u Pettie fans know that he has some confidence!!!

 

[burmafrd]

Mont, tucker was worse. Remember him? He gave up almost as many sacks in 6 fewer games.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Last season the median amount of sacks given up by a right tackle was Seattle's Sean Locklear with 5.5 sacks.

The median passing attempts per sack for a right tackle was Tampa Bay's Kenyatta Walker with 88.5 passing attempts per 1 sack allowed.

If Dallas throws the ball 499 times like it did last season, for Petitti to be in the middle of the pack in pass protection he'd have to give up 5.64 sacks on the year.

I think 7 sacks allowed would show a good deal of improvement assuming his run blocking improves (and truth be told, he showed some glimpses of good run blocking last year). However, I'd like to see him give up 5-6 sacks as then I think it would be safe to say he's our RT of the future.


Rich..........

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Last season the median amount of sacks given up by a right tackle was Seattle's Sean Locklear with 5.5 sacks.

The median passing attempts per sack for a right tackle was Tampa Bay's Kenyatta Walker with 88.5 passing attempts per 1 sack allowed.

If Dallas throws the ball 499 times like it did last season, for Petitti to be in the middle of the pack in pass protection he'd have to give up 5.64 sacks on the year.

I think 7 sacks allowed would show a good deal of improvement assuming his run blocking improves (and truth be told, he showed some glimpses of good run blocking last year). However, I'd like to see him give up 5-6 sacks as then I think it would be safe to say he's our RT of the future.


Rich..........

Brilliant post Rich.

I said at the beginning that 8 is the number for me. I just think any team with a QB that has a high-propensity for sacks is going to have higher sack numbers. There just isn't anyway around it. If Pettit gave up 8 sacks with Bledsoe as QB-- I think that is saying something quite honestly.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Brilliant post Rich.

I said at the beginning that 8 is the number for me. I just think any team with a QB that has a high-propensity for sacks is going to have higher sack numbers. There just isn't anyway around it. If Pettit gave up 8 sacks with Bledsoe as QB-- I think that is saying something quite honestly.

It's going to be tough to tell with the offensive personnel around him. Maybe Flozell comes back like he was and they are able to give Rob help. Maybe Fasano is a terrible blocker. Maybe Owens has a tremendous positive affect when teams try to blitz the offense. Maybe the 2 TE set doesn't work out.

Until we get some semblance of answer on those aspects, we'll have a better idea of the level of progression or *gulp* regression in Rob's game.


Rich.......

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

anything more than 6 is too much for a tackle specially if he has help from TE on his side.....with that said, I think he is going to get a lot of one-on-one since the TEs will be deployed in the offense in variety of ways. so he has to go against Strahan, Kearse, and a few other good ones at times during the season. I don't mean the entire game, but he will get his chance. that's tough...