What would you rate Osa as a DT?

quickccc said:
Could Osa be more in that Grady Jarrett, Geno Atkins or Kyle Williams comparison era ? ..Grady Jarrett type is what i was hoping he has some quickness traits,
but he won't be Chris Jones type dominant.

- Not a type DT where teams have to double team, scheme block and game plan for him .
But i agree he is an above average DT, and even above average 3 techs are still so very hard to find. If you get one, you sign him long term for life.

- I just did not know the Cowboys thought enuff of Osa that they'd re-sign him him a long term ..or if they thought they could replace him in the draft .
in fact i was very surprised Cap Boy & co, did indeed re-signed him.

Imo, ..Osa has gap penetrating skills, and his game is quickness, but i always had issues with his ability to play the run, and he tend to wear down the later the season continue ..especially at season's end. If kept fresh as possible, i think he will always be a 5-6 sack interior guy and one who accumulates many QB hurries.
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Those quick guys scare me because they're just trying to get up the field past you, damn the RB that just ran by me
 
Coogiguy03 said:
On a scale from 1-10? I was looking at him working out with some of the other defenders the other day, the guy is RIPPED!! He's a hard worker in the weight room, seems to be a high character guy. Based on his production what rating would you give him. He seems to make that one big TFL every game, and then he seems to go quiet.

Now hear me CZ faithful, I said quiet, not that he's terrible, doesn't deserve his money, he's a bust, etc etc! So this isn't me bashing him, just want to know how you feel! Please give your thoughts (you haven't heard that in a while! :eek:)
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Oh, maybe a 7. Good player for sure.
 
quickccc said:
Could Osa be more in that Grady Jarrett, Geno Atkins or Kyle Williams comparison era ? ..Grady Jarrett type is what i was hoping he has some quickness traits,
but he won't be Chris Jones type dominant.

- Not a type DT where teams have to double team, scheme block and game plan for him .
But i agree he is an above average DT, and even above average 3 techs are still so very hard to find. If you get one, you sign him long term for life.
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I don't think he's quite as good as those guys. Maybe a notch below. But I agree with you that even above-average DTs are hard to find. I think either he had to be re-signed or we had to go after someone like Milton Williams, who I think is comparable. That's why I wanted to draft Walter Nolen or Derrick Harmon because despite signing Osa, we need to keep looking for the stud this defense needs.

Now, he might can reach Jarrett's peak on sacks (7.5), but Jarrett was the player you had to account for on Atlanta's defense. I don't think Osa will ever be that. Offenses are going to match him one-on-one because they can win their share of those matchups. The type of 3-tech this scheme needs is one who is going to exploit that matchup.
 
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gtb1943 said:
not worth what we are paying him but it was pretty much market price so it is what it is. He needs to reach the next level to be worth it.
we shall see
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I think he’s paid pretty fairly. I think he could have got more on the open market. I’d say a 7. Not elite and to be elite you have to be really good in run and passing game. He’s really good in passing game but avg in run game
 
Coogiguy03 said:
Those quick guys scare me because they're just trying to get up the field past you, damn the RB that just ran by me
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Do we have the interior guys in the OL that we are counting on very heavily to handle the quick guys ..?

We have to face the likes of Jalen Carter (Philly) but is it enuff to have the two Tyler's ..and Cooper Beebe to handle a Jalen Carter ..?
 
Highly paid.

I’d rather have two 10m types to rotate. When you need to stop the run, he ain’t your guy. When you have a lead and need a rush, we already have that on the edge.

Poor decision to give him the bag, but they knew his name, so no reason to try to figure out who else in the league might be a better fit. Too busy booking monster truck events at the stayjum.
 
I was writing out a list of Pro Bowl material DTs on CZ the other day, and I could name at least 10 guys on that level. Osa's not there, he's more of a #20 guy. More Christian Barmore than Chris Jones.

On the less critical side, Osa has been healthy and very, very consistent. Pro's pro type of guy. I think there's something to that wrestler mentality.

I don't mind his contract at all. We're paying him Christian Barmore type money, so it's definitely an expectation he can meet, and he's super low risk. You couple that with how much Flus's defense depends on having a good 3 tech, and I think he was a great re-signing.
 
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Coogiguy03 said:
On a scale from 1-10? I was looking at him working out with some of the other defenders the other day, the guy is RIPPED!! He's a hard worker in the weight room, seems to be a high character guy. Based on his production what rating would you give him. He seems to make that one big TFL every game, and then he seems to go quiet.

Now hear me CZ faithful, I said quiet, not that he's terrible, doesn't deserve his money, he's a bust, etc etc! So this isn't me bashing him, just want to know how you feel! Please give your thoughts (you haven't heard that in a while! :eek:)
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7 against the pass.
6 against the run
8 in hard work and character
9 in being a team first guy and taking less
 
quickccc said:
Could Osa be more in that Grady Jarrett, Geno Atkins or Kyle Williams comparison era ? ..Grady Jarrett type is what i was hoping he has some quickness traits,
but he won't be Chris Jones type dominant.

- Not a type DT where teams have to double team, scheme block and game plan for him .
But i agree he is an above average DT, and even above average 3 techs are still so very hard to find. If you get one, you sign him long term for life.

- I just did not know the Cowboys thought enuff of Osa that they'd re-sign him him a long term ..or if they thought they could replace him in the draft .
in fact i was very surprised Cap Boy & co, did indeed re-signed him.

Imo, ..Osa has gap penetrating skills, and his game is quickness, but i always had issues with his ability to play the run, and he tend to wear down the later the season continue ..especially at season's end. If kept fresh as possible, i think he will always be a 5-6 sack interior guy and one who accumulates many QB hurries.
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No, sorry. Not quite that high.
 
This is an unfair question. This is the type of question from people that walk into NASA and think i can do better than you. The main reason, not understanding the importance of factors in the game of football.

The question isnt how would you rate him, Dumb, because just to get the NFL is an achievement. The first of the pipeline that doesnt work correctly is the combine. Why do we keep an out of date system, money, but lets avoid that because thats a book unto itself.

The question to the fans, is how do you rate him? well how can i? Is he built for the system? Did the coaches use him correctly and most important, what are you trying to get out of him considering pay and everything else, BUT that excludes the biggest question that most Cowboy fans lived, and still think, the old ways work.

Lets do this, would you rather a Bill Bates or Sean Lee? yea, thats an easier question, Bill Bates will give you longevity, thats what you need in todays football. Sure, go ahead, do the Sean Lee, give me the best player, out in 5, costing you more than its worth. I dont care if you have a corvette, means nothing if its in the shop all the time. If the body doesnt hold up in this game, all your smarts, all your talent, means nothing. That is trapped in a flesh coffin and if that doesnt work or last long, the rest doesnt matter.

Is Osa on the field? Is he working in his position? Thats up to the coaches, dont blame a player if he sucks and you have a coach or owner who wont see it. Thats the Garret effect, every year Garret showed evidence, I AM NOT BUILT FOR THIS JOB, and we had an owner saying "NO Bro, you re great": Same thing with bad coaches, they put the players on the field. Cant blame the player if a stupid coach is playing him.

Not every player is built to be a plug and play. Versatility most times isnt needed. I want a guy who isnt great, but can be on the field, knows his job, does his job. You get this all the time with some players, I can do it all and i can think faster, yet they leave the position thinking they can make the play and boom, system collapses and the player gets the TD. Do your job, do your job well.
 
ShiningStar said:
This is an unfair question. This is the type of question from people that walk into NASA and think i can do better than you. The main reason, not understanding the importance of factors in the game of football.

The question isnt how would you rate him, Dumb, because just to get the NFL is an achievement. The first of the pipeline that doesnt work correctly is the combine. Why do we keep an out of date system, money, but lets avoid that because thats a book unto itself.

The question to the fans, is how do you rate him? well how can i? Is he built for the system? Did the coaches use him correctly and most important, what are you trying to get out of him considering pay and everything else, BUT that excludes the biggest question that most Cowboy fans lived, and still think, the old ways work.

Lets do this, would you rather a Bill Bates or Sean Lee? yea, thats an easier question, Bill Bates will give you longevity, thats what you need in todays football. Sure, go ahead, do the Sean Lee, give me the best player, out in 5, costing you more than its worth. I dont care if you have a corvette, means nothing if its in the shop all the time. If the body doesnt hold up in this game, all your smarts, all your talent, means nothing. That is trapped in a flesh coffin and if that doesnt work or last long, the rest doesnt matter.

Is Osa on the field? Is he working in his position? Thats up to the coaches, dont blame a player if he sucks and you have a coach or owner who wont see it. Thats the Garret effect, every year Garret showed evidence, I AM NOT BUILT FOR THIS JOB, and we had an owner saying "NO Bro, you re great": Same thing with bad coaches, they put the players on the field. Cant blame the player if a stupid coach is playing him.

Not every player is built to be a plug and play. Versatility most times isnt needed. I want a guy who isnt great, but can be on the field, knows his job, does his job. You get this all the time with some players, I can do it all and i can think faster, yet they leave the position thinking they can make the play and boom, system collapses and the player gets the TD. Do your job, do your job well.
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This makes zero sense. In a thread about rating a player, why click into the thread if you're not interested in rating the player?

Very weird rant.
 
I actually like Osa. He showed some flashes of power and made some plays last year. Hopefully with him getting more playing time he will be a solid piece in the middle.
 
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