What would you rather have for your rookie QB?

[CowboyRoy]

Watching the game last night and Wentz I couldnt help but ask which is a better friend to a young QB. Its almost like Philly and Dallas are complete opposites when it comes to team make up. Which would you rather have for your rookie QB?

1. Dallas: Great Oline and run game with skill position players

2. Philly: Great defense and great scheme and coaching

Tough one for me.

 

[Longboysfan]

1 Dallas. We've done it right.

 

[kevm3]

#2. With #1 we couldn't win a single game without our star QB. On the other hand, that second formula has set up Russell Wilson for a superbowl early in his career and set up Trevor Siemian for a victory over the Carolina Panthers. If a QB has to only put up maybe 10 to 17 points to win a game, that is much easier than having to have daily shootouts with teams. #1 is a lot more entertaining to watch, but #2 gets you deep in the playoffs.

 

[CowboyRoy]

1 Dallas. We've done it right.

You dont see the value in a great defense that can hold the team to 15 points? QB only has to manage the game and doesnt have to score much. Doesnt have to take a lot of chances. Philly D put Wentz on the 5 yard line twice with turnovers. That is a pretty easy deal. Great field position most of the time.

Just sayin............there are benefits to both.

 

[tyke1doe]

2. Philly.

Their model is the model that has resulted in the last three Super Bowl winners ... Denver, New England, Seattle.

The common denominator with all three of those teams is great defense, great scheming and great coaching.

 

[CowboyRoy]

#2. With #1 we couldn't win a single game without our star QB. On the other hand, that second formula has set up Russell Wilson for a superbowl early in his career and set up Trevor Siemian for a victory over the Carolina Panthers. If a QB has to only put up maybe 10 to 17 points to win a game, that is much easier than having to have daily shootouts with teams. #1 is a lot more entertaining to watch, but #2 gets you deep in the playoffs.

Wilson had more than a great defense. He had a great Oline and a great run game also. NOW he has a bad Oline and bad run game and he is struggling.

 

[CowboyRoy]

2. Philly.

Their model is the model that has resulted in the last three Super Bowl winners ... Denver, New England, Seattle.

The common denominator with all three of those teams is great defense, great scheming and great coaching.

I have to agree. You combine a great defense and great coaching with a great young QB and he can probably overcome the Oline and skill position issues most of the time.

 

[CATCH17]

#2. With #1 we couldn't win a single game without our star QB. On the other hand, that second formula has set up Russell Wilson for a superbowl early in his career and set up Trevor Siemian for a victory over the Carolina Panthers. If a QB has to only put up maybe 10 to 17 points to win a game, that is much easier than having to have daily shootouts with teams. #1 is a lot more entertaining to watch, but #2 gets you deep in the playoffs.

You may be right that it's better for the overall team. I just looked at it from a rookie QB's angle.

 

[DogFace]

I think Dallas and the supporting cast. Time to throw. Good receivers catching it. Run game to back off the D some. This all leads to confidence building and the QB knowing he played well even if the D didn't.

 

[kevm3]

I can't really think of many offensive powerhouses who have won superbowls in recent history. Even an Aaron Rodgers or Tom Brady need a passable defense and the Patriots have the best system builder in recent NFL history if not all time in Bellichick. Revis had a timely pick to help seal that game over the Seahawks and Peyton Manning was nearly shut out in the superbowl after having a historic season. Great defenses can shut teams out, they can score and they put much less pressure on the QB to score. Cam Newton is another guy with a questionable offense and great defense. If you have an above average qb and a very strong defense, that seems to be a recipe for success.

Don't get me wrong, having a great offense is VERY entertaining to watch, but if you want to consistently push far in the play-offs, you need a strong defense.

 

[haleyrules]

Defense wins the big games. Would you rather have Dan Marino or the 85 Bear defense?

 

[Bullflop]

No question but what the ideal situation would be if we had both a dominating OL and DL as well. Despite that being the case, I wouldn't pretend to be dissatisfied with what we now have and can't change -- at least for the time being. Here's hoping our defense might be dutifully attended to in the next NFL draft. With that being accomplished, the Cowboys might hopefully be prepared to assume their rightful place within the league's hierarchy. There's no question but what having excellence on both sides of the ball is preferable to just one.

 

[Sydla]

Watching the game last night and Wentz I couldnt help but ask which is a better friend to a young QB. Its almost like Philly and Dallas are complete opposites when it comes to team make up. Which would you rather have for your rookie QB?

1. Dallas: Great Oline and run game with skill position players

2. Philly: Great defense and great scheme and coaching

Tough one for me.

I tend to think the Eagles, as long as Wentz keeps this up, is closer to being a legit contender in this league than we are. They are one top flight WR and maybe a CB from being good IMO. But I tend to be in the group that thinks defense is very important and we are a far cry from them defensively. We need massive help at every level on defense IMO.

 

[CowboyRoy]

I think Dallas and the supporting cast. Time to throw. Good receivers catching it. Run game to back off the D some. This all leads to confidence building and the QB knowing he played well even if the D didn't.

Great point as well.

 

[CowboyRoy]

No question but what the ideal situation would be if we had both a dominating OL and DL as well. Despite that being the case, I wouldn't pretend to be dissatisfied with what we now have and can't change -- at least for the time being. Here's hoping our defense might be dutifully attended to in the next NFL draft. With that being accomplished, we could hopefully be prepared to assume our rightful place within the league's hierarchy.

This is the maddening part. We basically have Dak, Zeke, Oline together for another 5-6 years. So all they have to do is focus on getting a great defense in here. For my money, that is getting Romo's salary off the books at some point so that we can use that money on the defensive side of the ball. And use the next two drafts take defense.

Relax Romo guys. If Romo comes back and plays great and is healthy that would be great.

 

[tyke1doe]

I have to agree. You combine a great defense and great coaching with a great young QB and he can probably overcome the Oline and skill position issues most of the time.

I don't have the stats (though I think I saw it on this forum in the past), but the teams with the higher-ranked defense usually defeats the team with the higher-ranked offense in the Super Bowl.

 

[Sydla]

I think Dallas and the supporting cast. Time to throw. Good receivers catching it. Run game to back off the D some. This all leads to confidence building and the QB knowing he played well even if the D didn't.

And yet, through two games, Wentz is showing no signs of being held back by an inferior OL and suspect WRs.

 

[HanD]

wentz looks great. loving his throws and how he's playing. having said that....i'll wait a couple weeks before slobbering over the philly def. they've played rgIII/cleveland and Hoyer/bears. nothing to write home about just yet. let's see them prove it against Pittsburgh next week.

 

[Stash]

I think the pressure on the young quarterback is a huge factor. With a great defense, a young quarterback knows that they don't have to go out there and score on every drive. Wentz and Siemien don't have to force things because they can rely on their defense to stop people. Prescott, like Romo before him, have a much higher level of pressure to score given a defense they can't rely on. That can lead to forcing things, mistakes, and turnovers. I think we've all seen enough examples of it to realize that.

 

[gimmesix]

Watching the game last night and Wentz I couldnt help but ask which is a better friend to a young QB. Its almost like Philly and Dallas are complete opposites when it comes to team make up. Which would you rather have for your rookie QB?

1. Dallas: Great Oline and run game with skill position players

2. Philly: Great defense and great scheme and coaching

Tough one for me.

With the great line, it's still on the rookie to keep up with the other team's offense, so despite the great protection, he knows that he has to get it done because no lead will hold up. With the great defense, there's less pressure to get it done because the rookie knows the defense can stop the other team.

So I can see an argument for either, though I think it's easier to win when the defense is stifling the other team and causing turnovers than it is when you are forced to get points and run clock on every possession.