What's up with Reggie Nelson?

[Toruk_Makto]

Of course that assumes:

1) The Cowboys like Ramsey at S. It's been said they might like him at CB.
2) The Cowboys even think he can play SS opposite Jones.
3) The Cowboys want to turn two key defensive positions over to a rookie and 2nd year player
4) Ramsey is even there at the 4th pick.

Nelson would be a very smart addition if the price is right. He was very good in 2014 as well, not just 2015. It will be interesting to see if he is floating out there after the draft.

Sure. If he comes on the type of budget deal the Cowboys favor...bring him in. But 9M per year is not that.

1) His flexibility is a plus. People like @Alexander for some reason view it as a negative.

2) In this day and age the SS is dying. You need cover guys. And nothing i've seen from either makes me think they can't tackle. I have no doubts that they could play next to each other.

3) Jones was playing starting snaps towards the end of last year. And if you draft a guy at 4 (unless he is a backup qb I suppose)...he better be a major contributor year 1 even if he doesn't open as a starter.

4) I will forever curse that meaningless Commanders win people were celebrating last year if the Chargers snag him at 3.

 

[Alexander]

1) His flexibility is a plus. People like @Alexander for some reason view it as a negative.

If we ran a flexible scheme like Arizona that uses players like Bucannon and Mathieu in a variety of roles, I might be more receptive to a player like Ramsey to team with Jones to take over the universe.

Simple point is you obviously forgot who our defensive coordinator is and what scheme we run.

I know, petty details.

 

[Vanilla2]

If we ran a flexible scheme like Arizona that uses players like Bucannon and Mathieu in a variety of roles, I might be more receptive to a player like Ramsey to team with Jones to take over the universe.

Simple point is you obviously forgot who our defensive coordinator is and what scheme we run.

I know, petty details.

Jones was all over the field last year.

Or am I misremembering ?

 

[Sydla]

Sure. If he comes on the type of budget deal the Cowboys favor...bring him in. But 9M per year is not that.

1) His flexibility is a plus. People like @Alexander for some reason view it as a negative.

2) In this day and age the SS is dying. You need cover guys. And nothing i've seen from either makes me think they can't tackle. I have no doubts that they could play next to each other.

3) Jones was playing starting snaps towards the end of last year. And if you draft a guy at 4 (unless he is a backup qb I suppose)...he better be a major contributor year 1 even if he doesn't open as a starter.

4) I will forever curse that meaningless Commanders win people were celebrating last year if the Chargers snag him at 3.

Only problem is that Marinelli runs an old system. So SS isn't dying here.

 

[speedkilz88]

Only problem is that Marinelli runs an old system. So SS isn't dying here.

They don't run the tampa 2 stuff much anymore.

 

[Alexander]

Jones was all over the field last year.

Or am I misremembering ?

Out of necessity. Not design.

He did pretty well considering.

 

[Alexander]

They don't run the tampa 2 stuff much anymore.

That is true with the coverage schemes.

But this is not a consistently multiple defense.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Jones was all over the field last year.

Or am I misremembering ?

You're remembering correctly.

Alexander is pulling a JJT. Happy to make up his own facts.

 

[Sydla]

They don't run the tampa 2 stuff much anymore.

Regardless he uses a SS in a more conventional manner than other teams that are now almost using interchangeable safeties.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Regardless he uses a SS in a more conventional manner than other teams that are now almost using interchangeable safeties.

If you mean that we ran primarily a single safety high then sure although he would roll coverage often. The underneath guy was supposed to take a robber zone quite often about 10 yards up the hash. They would also be asked to cover TE in man. We saw Jones do the last a whole lot with certain mathcups.

If you think that some 4.6 plodder can play that position at a high level I would remind you of our own plodder, Church. Frankly you want dynamic players that can do it all like Ramsey and Jones so you can hide coverage. Guys like Church and Wilcox are the same as leaving wide open spaces between zones.

The scheme is going to change again. The single high man to man robber is going with Henderson and now Eberflus is taking over. I am intrigued over how that will go. He came with Ryan but stuck with Marinelli. Ryan was all about dynamic play. The LB and secondary never did seem to play in tandem the last few years.

 

[the_h0wey]

Jones was all over the field last year.

Or am I misremembering ?

No, you are right he played all over the place.

 

[the_h0wey]

Out of necessity. Not design.

He did pretty well considering.

They said they were going to use him at a variety of positions. Don't get me wrong our secondary was terrible, but they didn't move him around just out of necessity

 

[MizzouCowboy82]

Wilcox is a joke. What Dallas scouts saw is beyond me.

 

[LittleD]

Wilcox is a joke. What Dallas scouts saw is beyond me.

Wilcox is not a joke but, he is much like Church who is primarily a box safety. They can cover short range like TE but struggle
in space with quickness and reaction. Actually, Wilcox is pretty new at the position and played RB in college. He is still learning
about angles and defense in general. Many here on the board are right in that the Safety position is transitioning to pass coverage
mostly because the NFL is moving to a passing most of the time league. I don't think Nelson is worth anywhere near 9mil per year but,
I do think Jalen Ramsey could function well in the backfield with Jones if we could get him.

 

[Sydla]

If you mean that we ran primarily a single safety high then sure although he would roll coverage often. The underneath guy was supposed to take a robber zone quite often about 10 yards up the hash. They would also be asked to cover TE in man. We saw Jones do the last a whole lot with certain mathcups.

If you think that some 4.6 plodder can play that position at a high level I would remind you of our own plodder, Church. Frankly you want dynamic players that can do it all like Ramsey and Jones so you can hide coverage. Guys like Church and Wilcox are the same as leaving wide open spaces between zones.

The scheme is going to change again. The single high man to man robber is going with Henderson and now Eberflus is taking over. I am intrigued over how that will go. He came with Ryan but stuck with Marinelli. Ryan was all about dynamic play. The LB and secondary never did seem to play in tandem the last few years.

Nelson is a better S than Church.

If the price is right, I'd bring in Nelson without hesitation.

 

[DandyDon52]

That's a valid point. But even at 33 he is better than anyone we have at the position on this team. Would you rather Goldson or Nelson? lol

There are other factors to consider besides age.
one 33 year old, could be worn out and declining while another may be fit and in shape, few injuries, plays every game,
plus if they are good players, their experience is very valuable.
A older player should not expect much if any G money though,

 

[Daillest88]

There are other factors to consider besides age.
one 33 year old, could be worn out and declining while another may be fit and in shape, few injuries, plays every game,
plus if they are good players, their experience is very valuable.
A older player should not expect much if any G money though,

He's coming off of his best year of his career

 

[LittleD]

Nelson is a better S than Church.

If the price is right, I'd bring in Nelson without hesitation.

The price isn't right or he most likely would have been brought in.

 

[Sydla]

The price isn't right or he most likely would have been brought in.

Obviously it isn't right. And nowhere did I suggest that the Cowboys should pay him what he's apparently trying to grab.

But I get that you have to defend just about every move the Cowboys make even if a poster isn't actually criticizing the Cowboys.

Nelson is a better S than Church. That's just reality. You could cut Church and save nearly $5MM in cap space. If Nelson's demands drop while he floats out there without a team, I'd certainly have no problems sending Church packing and using his cap space to get Nelson signed to a decent deal.

 

[LittleD]

Obviously it isn't right. And nowhere did I suggest that the Cowboys should pay him what he's apparently trying to grab.

But I get that you have to defend just about every move the Cowboys make even if a poster isn't actually criticizing the Cowboys.

Nelson is a better S than Church. That's just reality. You could cut Church and save nearly $5MM in cap space. If Nelson's demands drop while he floats out there without a team, I'd certainly have no problems sending Church packing and using his cap space to get Nelson signed to a decent deal.

Maybe you're not being critical but, just sound a bit critical... That's okay on a sounding board like this. I'm okay with your commentary.
I just think if they felt Nelson was that much better than Church, they would have already let him go and signed Nelson on the spot like
lots of teams did during the 1st week of FA. I think posters have to be realistic in that these teams are professionals and are doing a job
and being paid well to do it. It's just fine to have a contrary opinion but, their actions should tell you a lot about how they feel.