When was the last time Jerry got a quality linebacker?

[CowboysFaninHouston]

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Seriously, when was the last time Jerry took a quality linebacker? Parsons and DWare were technically more pass rushers than linebackers. I suppose one could say maybe LVE and Lee when they were healthy?

We have stated before how bad Jerry is at evaluating safeties, but it's kinda hard to have a good secondary if your linebackers are painfully bad. I think we have a pretty good front 4, but, when you don't have linebackers, it really doesn't matter. And for as bad as our secondary has been, it's kind hard to get takeaways and have an effective secondary when your linebackers are pathetic.

As well as changing DCs (hopefully to Schwartz, Flores, or maybe Haines from the Indiana Hoosiers), I kinda think linebacker needs to be our top priority. We are always razor thin at linebacker in depth, and we almost never have quality linebackers. I would love to see us get Sonny Styles of Ohio State. I think him and Caleb Downs (safety Ohio State) would be a great duo, but I think we really have to do something about linebacker.

You want to know why Detroit and Philadelphia (I hate saying what I'm about to say about Philly) are as dangerous as they are? You want to know why Denver is really good? Their defence has both good pass rush, good NTs (which we now do with Clark and Williams), and good linebackers. I think if we can get our linebackers upgraded with the front 4 we are developing, I think we can be a much better defence, especially if we get one of the DCs I mentioned.

That said, yeah, it's crazy how bad we are at linebacker. Seriously, when was the last time Jerry actually got a quality linebacker?

carpenter? LVE?

 

[Dutton]

I would love to know who evaluated Mingo and Logan Wilson because neither one seems to be able to play.

4th and 1 with the game on the line and some how he fails to fill his gap the obvious gap right in front of him.

Logan Wilson was a good linebacker. Guess he’s lost it

 

[blueblood70]

Seriously, when was the last time Jerry took a quality linebacker? Parsons and DWare were technically more pass rushers than linebackers. I suppose one could say maybe LVE and Lee when they were healthy?

We have stated before how bad Jerry is at evaluating safeties, but it's kinda hard to have a good secondary if your linebackers are painfully bad. I think we have a pretty good front 4, but, when you don't have linebackers, it really doesn't matter. And for as bad as our secondary has been, it's kind hard to get takeaways and have an effective secondary when your linebackers are pathetic.

As well as changing DCs (hopefully to Schwartz, Flores, or maybe Haines from the Indiana Hoosiers), I kinda think linebacker needs to be our top priority. We are always razor thin at linebacker in depth, and we almost never have quality linebackers. I would love to see us get Sonny Styles of Ohio State. I think him and Caleb Downs (safety Ohio State) would be a great duo, but I think we really have to do something about linebacker.

You want to know why Detroit and Philadelphia (I hate saying what I'm about to say about Philly) are as dangerous as they are? You want to know why Denver is really good? Their defence has both good pass rush, good NTs (which we now do with Clark and Williams), and good linebackers. I think if we can get our linebackers upgraded with the front 4 we are developing, I think we can be a much better defence, especially if we get one of the DCs I mentioned.

That said, yeah, it's crazy how bad we are at linebacker. Seriously, when was the last time Jerry actually got a quality linebacker?

OVERSHOWN....

You answered your own question,


I know you guys try to start these things as some kind of conversation booster, Ware was an outside linebacker, who also was a pass rusher, that's pretty normal, his title was still a linebacker, in the same Parsons was also a linebacker people were upset because he was an off the ball linebacker, they were smart enough to move him to defensive end, but technically they drafted a linebacker just like they drafted LVE, Jalen Smith ,and Sean Lee, all in hopes that they would be good but they couldn't stay healthy...

They get it they drafted guys with a little bit of an injury history but some of the other teams, I mean you look right in our division you remember Nakobe Dean doing pretty well right now, He was brought in much the same way Dallas hoped Damone Clark would develop...

Not for a lack of trying I realized they try to delve into Shamar James, Harper etc..


Some of those were first round picks, some of them were 2nd round picks, either way they tried to address it, it's not working out ,

this teams go through this with positions ours happens to be now linebacker ,we couldn't find a defensive tackle or a safety, now we've had some bad luck with injuries, and not hitting on some linebackers But overshown, he's a linebacker it's a very good linebacker, so when you ask when's the last time they got a quality linebacker his name is Parsons and overshown.

That really wasn't that long ago unfortunately they moved Parsons and now he's gone.. There's still hope somebody on this team can develop but yes they're going to have to address it again and when I say again they've dressed it a lot you act like they ignore it they don't ignore it they just have missed again other teams miss at a lot of positions at least we're not missing at quarterback and receiver an offensive lineman we just happened to be in a bad spot at middle linebacker and whatever weak side linebacker wherever you wanna add to it but it's not for a lack of trying....

 

[blueblood70]

Seriously, when was the last time Jerry took a quality linebacker? Parsons and DWare were technically more pass rushers than linebackers. I suppose one could say maybe LVE and Lee when they were healthy?

We have stated before how bad Jerry is at evaluating safeties, but it's kinda hard to have a good secondary if your linebackers are painfully bad. I think we have a pretty good front 4, but, when you don't have linebackers, it really doesn't matter. And for as bad as our secondary has been, it's kind hard to get takeaways and have an effective secondary when your linebackers are pathetic.

As well as changing DCs (hopefully to Schwartz, Flores, or maybe Haines from the Indiana Hoosiers), I kinda think linebacker needs to be our top priority. We are always razor thin at linebacker in depth, and we almost never have quality linebackers. I would love to see us get Sonny Styles of Ohio State. I think him and Caleb Downs (safety Ohio State) would be a great duo, but I think we really have to do something about linebacker.

You want to know why Detroit and Philadelphia (I hate saying what I'm about to say about Philly) are as dangerous as they are? You want to know why Denver is really good? Their defence has both good pass rush, good NTs (which we now do with Clark and Williams), and good linebackers. I think if we can get our linebackers upgraded with the front 4 we are developing, I think we can be a much better defence, especially if we get one of the DCs I mentioned.

That said, yeah, it's crazy how bad we are at linebacker. Seriously, when was the last time Jerry actually got a quality linebacker?

How is it you don't even mention overshown unless I missed it you're crazy He is the last linebacker if he stays healthy he's beyond a quality linebacker...

 

[blueblood70]

Micah was drafted and was a great linebacker. That's the last time. Dint forget, in his rookie year, he was killing it at linebacker. He was hanging with very athletic tightends in coverage routinely. Then we converted him to edge mainly. It hurt the LB group. We never recovered from that. Been trying to replace him since. We drafted poorly at linebacker. We can't **** up this coming draft. We need dbs and corners, safeties. Need a big boy for edge. Need a war daddy to pair with EZE. Losing Kneeland really set us back. He was developing.

Overshown was the last one.. You can talk about injuries all you want he's still a top quality linebacker his title is linebacker he's not a defensive end people keep glossing over it as if he's not on this team and I realize he's missed a lot of time but he has a quality linebacker he was the last one drafted that can be starter level..2023 draft round 3...

 

[blueblood70]

Parsons?

Or was this about Inside LBs

Want to make it whatever can be dismissive of the Cowboys acting like they haven't tried to get linebackers so they'll just call Parsons a defensive end even though he was drafted as a linebacker so was overshown, so was Liafu and a bunch of others and we realized that Clark didn't work out but they did the same thing the Eagles did with Dean and he's working out Clark's not it happens it's not for lack of trying but that's what the thread was about they're gonna purposely forget names and act like they ain't trying because some of the better names would hurt their narrative to dismiss that the front office again doesn't know what they're doing instead of justice saying it's bad luck yes injuries all over has hurt this.

I'm not ready to give up on Liafu. better DC might be able to use him develop him a little bit better.. Again they missed maybe they should pick some higher but it's not for lack of trying and there's other names the undrafted free agents we brought in here some actual trades were made some actual free agents as well they're not working out but they're trying. Our teams have deficiencies in many areas some at quarterback others at wide receiver there's a You can't be perfect everywhere they're trying and they have failed and they will keep trying..

...

2025	Shemar James	5	152	Florida
2024	Marist Liufau	3	90	Notre Dame
2023	DeMarvion Overshown	3	90	Texas
2022	Damone Clark	5	176	LSU
2022	Devin Harper	6	193	Oklahoma St.
2021	Micah Parsons	1	12	Penn State
2021	Jabril Cox	4	115	LSU

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

How is it you don't even mention overshown unless I missed it you're crazy He is the last linebacker if he stays healthy he's beyond a quality linebacker...

Yeah, but my point is that we don't seem to get a full set of good linebackers. Overshown is a beast, but we definitely need more.

 

[blueblood70]

Yeah, but my point is that we don't seem to get a full set of good linebackers. Overshown is a beast, but we definitely need more.

I think with my shorter answer than normal is I've already explained it they've just had some run of bad luck with injuries they've not hit at this position and they're gonna have to readdress it especially now that Parsons had left even though we weren't using him as a middle linebacker yes they're gonna address it they brought over Logan Wilson they brought over Sanborn they brought over Murray I didn't even mention those names and we did not hit they tried,

now they're going to have to try again..

That's their answer they've had a run of bad luck at the position, they need to keep trying....

Besides the fact that we didn't mention this when Dan Quinn was here he was using guys like Kearse, thomas and Bell as Hybrid LBers

Maybe the extension of that explanation would be We're in a different system with Zimmer who wanted Liafu who like Kendricks oh I forgot to mention him you act like he didn't play and then now you move to who Another defensive coordinator who uses a different type of linebacking system he just got this all messed up all these new coordinators can't settle on what type of linebackers they need or want..

 

[JonesBoys]

I mean, we can get all the secondary we want, but we kinda need linebackers that are quality. Might be good to sign a quality linebacker in FA.

Nah, some teams first round bust will be signed or a cast off.

 

[cowboyec]

i'm not giving up on liufau.
he has the best punch out of anybody on that side of the ball.
but overall,i go with overshown.
star in the making.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

I think with my shorter answer than normal is I've already explained it they've just had some run of bad luck with injuries they've not hit at this position and they're gonna have to readdress it especially now that Parsons had left even though we weren't using him as a middle linebacker yes they're gonna address it they brought over Logan Wilson they brought over Sanborn they brought over Murray I didn't even mention those names and we did not hit they tried,

now they're going to have to try again..

That's their answer they've had a run of bad luck at the position, they need to keep trying....

Besides the fact that we didn't mention this when Dan Quinn was here he was using guys like Kearse, thomas and Bell as Hybrid LBers

Maybe the extension of that explanation would be We're in a different system with Zimmer who wanted Liafu who like Kendricks oh I forgot to mention him you act like he didn't play and then now you move to who Another defensive coordinator who uses a different type of linebacking system he just got this all messed up all these new coordinators can't settle on what type of linebackers they need or want..

My point is that we have had issues with safety, and it's interesting that we seem to have issues at LB, for one reason or another. We occasionally get one or maybe two good ones, but we never really consistently keep that together. I think it's interesting to note. Hopefully, with a better DC, we can, as well as keeping our dts that I think are good.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

i'm not giving up on liufau.
he has the best punch out of anybody on that side of the ball.
but overall,i go with overshown.
star in the making.

I think with a better DC, he has a chance, but Eberflus isn't it.

 

[blueblood70]

My point is that we have had issues with safety, and it's interesting that we seem to have issues at LB, for one reason or another. We occasionally get one or maybe two good ones, but we never really consistently keep that together. I think it's interesting to note. Hopefully, with a better DC, we can, as well as keeping our dts that I think are good.

I agree with that that's probably the answer to many defensive coordinators different schemes and different wants at linebacker has messed this room up pretty bad..

And then here we go again another defensive coordinator so maybe they'll have some better luck I mean 'cause even guys they say go out and get some of the bigger names and free agency or at least guys with a little tread on their tires like Devon White didn't turn out too well did he he's OK but not very good not probably better than what we got also what was the other 49er ex linebacker that got injured and returned and now he's injured again I mean it just happens Hopefully we can get it together but I don't think we can fix all our holes in one offseason..

That I hope that the last two drafts some of these guys actually work better with a new DC develop more and that they we won't need as many new bodies as we think... all we have is hope..

 

[blueblood70]

i'm not giving up on liufau.

Me neither I think it just happened to be that was a Mike Zimmer pick he played a little better as a rookie with Zimmer but this DC is not utilizing him properly we still have overshone who knows Shamar James can turn out to be OK So yeah we keep changing schemes and coordinators the linebacker room is got a form of ADHD there is no identity at which linebackers from the time we had Zimmer Quinn it it's all over the place..

It is odd right the irony here is we thought the one place that Matt could make this room strong was linebackers he could teach him up get him out there and they didn't work out....

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

I agree with that that's probably the answer to many defensive coordinators different schemes and different wants at linebacker has messed this room up pretty bad..

And then here we go again another defensive coordinator so maybe they'll have some better luck I mean 'cause even guys they say go out and get some of the bigger names and free agency or at least guys with a little tread on their tires like Devon White didn't turn out too well did he he's OK but not very good not probably better than what we got also what was the other 49er ex linebacker that got injured and returned and now he's injured again I mean it just happens Hopefully we can get it together but I don't think we can fix all our holes in one offseason..

That I hope that the last two drafts some of these guys actually work better with a new DC develop more and that they we won't need as many new bodies as we think... all we have is hope..

Well, and it's part of the reason I wish the Joneses would get more involved in FA. Have you also noticed how thin we tend to be at LB?

 

[big dog cowboy]

Seriously, when was the last time Jerry took a quality linebacker?

Agent 0.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

Agent 0.

He is a beast.

 

[Rayman70]

Overshown was the last one.. You can talk about injuries all you want he's still a top quality linebacker his title is linebacker he's not a defensive end people keep glossing over it as if he's not on this team and I realize he's missed a lot of time but he has a quality linebacker he was the last one drafted that can be starter level..2023 draft round 3...

It's early. The verdict is isn't in yet. He's flashed.

 

[blueblood70]

It's early. The verdict is isn't in yet. He's flashed.

I disagree if he can stay healthy he's absolutely great It's easy to see the problem is coming back from rehab over and over you have to work your way back into the flow of the game and your instincts and tackling but it's quite obvious to me he's great there there is no debate it's his health that's it that's the problem it's been the problem for many of our linebackers hence that's what we're talking about here sean Lee and Jalen Smith LVE all very talented but injuries knocked them down a peg and now it's overshown it one of these days we're gonna get lucky and not have our linebackers hurt all the time...

 

[kskboys]

Seriously, when was the last time Jerry took a quality linebacker? Parsons and DWare were technically more pass rushers than linebackers. I suppose one could say maybe LVE and Lee when they were healthy?

We have stated before how bad Jerry is at evaluating safeties, but it's kinda hard to have a good secondary if your linebackers are painfully bad. I think we have a pretty good front 4, but, when you don't have linebackers, it really doesn't matter. And for as bad as our secondary has been, it's kind hard to get takeaways and have an effective secondary when your linebackers are pathetic.

As well as changing DCs (hopefully to Schwartz, Flores, or maybe Haines from the Indiana Hoosiers), I kinda think linebacker needs to be our top priority. We are always razor thin at linebacker in depth, and we almost never have quality linebackers. I would love to see us get Sonny Styles of Ohio State. I think him and Caleb Downs (safety Ohio State) would be a great duo, but I think we really have to do something about linebacker.

You want to know why Detroit and Philadelphia (I hate saying what I'm about to say about Philly) are as dangerous as they are? You want to know why Denver is really good? Their defence has both good pass rush, good NTs (which we now do with Clark and Williams), and good linebackers. I think if we can get our linebackers upgraded with the front 4 we are developing, I think we can be a much better defence, especially if we get one of the DCs I mentioned.

That said, yeah, it's crazy how bad we are at linebacker. Seriously, when was the last time Jerry actually got a quality linebacker?

He's too busy drafting TEs and CBs. And WRs. Just as a casual fan would.

We have a casual fan running our football team. Yay. Hold it.......a drunk narcissistic casual fan who doesn't care about winning a super bowl. Double yay.