Where do you stand on Garrett and why?

[JBell]

Pros:
-His RKG philosophy. McClay and company make it a priority to seek out guys who love football, and are typically (but not always) high character guys. Definitely think JG had an influence in that aspect. McClay rightfully gets a lot of the credit for the draft success we've had, but I think JG deserves some credit for the philosophy shift in drafting high character guys + focusing on the trenches.
-Positive Culture & Team Chemistry. It's easy to root for the guys on the team, due to the emphasis of bringing in high character guys. And it's obvious that this is a tight knit group (fishing trips, hot boyz, etc.)

Cons:
-Isn't going to help you schematically like other top tier NFL coaches do
-Has hurt the team in games due to poor clock management. If you're not going to make an impact schematically, you better be good at everything else.


I think for me the biggest problem (besides the lack of playoff success) with JG is that he doesn't give you an advantage on either side of the ball like the top tier coaches do. Guys like Sean Payton, Sean McVay, and Andy Reid double down as head coaches and offensive gurus. Belichick and Pete Carroll double down as head coaches and defensive gurus. If you have excellent offensive and defensive coordinators then it's not as big of an issue (until they leave for head coaching jobs), but that hasn't been the case here in Dallas.

 

[mardwin]

JG is a great coach. You see the Jimmy Johnson and Nick Saben traits. This is his year.....hate or love him. Predicting another Coach of the Year and his first Superbowl.

Garrett has been the HC for 10 not counting his OC tenure. I'm having a difficult time identifying the greatness traits you are alluring.

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

Garrett is a glorified Quarterback coach. What happens when you bring someone in who's not that and you realize Garrett was responsible for Dak's development and sustainability? Happens a lot, When Vick, Kolb, and Mcnabb left Reid. When Montana left Walsh/Seifert. Just because Garrett isn't a great coach doesn't mean he isn't great for Dak. Ken Whisenhunt bombed as a head coach on multiple teams. But as a QB specialist specifically, he brought Rivers out of a multi-year slump when he came to SD. Then he left and Rivers regressed. Then he came back, and Rivers is now awesome again. Alex Smith has a career resurrection under Dougy P. Then Carson almost wins MVP under Pederson, former backup QB and QB coach guru like Garrett. Then Nick Foles suddenly ascends under Pederson.

Garrett's teams have been very up and down, but what hasn't been is quality QB play. From Romo to Prescott, you've gotten 5 or more of the 10 best QB years ever for the Cowboys. Like Pederson, that's not some random coincidence. Don't sign Dak to a monster deal if Garrett suddenly leaves at the beginning of it. There is a risk factor there.

Get a better D coordinator. A Jim Schwartz, a Vic Fangio, a Gregg Williams. What Garrett actually is became the new hotness in the NFL. If you drop him, he'll go to the Dolphins or the Titans or the Bengals and turn a fresh young QB into the next big thing. Like he did Romo, like he did Dak. He is the original Sean McVay, Dallas's offenses have been top 10 every year since he arrived, aside from Brandon Weeden's impeccable arm talent.

Garrett has a myriad of shortcomings as a head coach, but not to give him credit for 1 losing season in 9 years, 3 division titles in the last 5 years is silly. Every great year you've had since Aikman was because of the QB's play. Every one. (RB play assisted in that of course). And every one was because of GARRETT'S QB's play.

Fire him if you want, but expecting the team suddenly to get better with anyone else is probably not correct. Switching coaches after successful seasons almost never goes well. SD fired Schottenheimer after going 14-2 and it turned out to be an awful decision. Dallas fired Jimmy Johnson after winning the Super Bowl and they regret it to this day. Holmgren leaving GB left them in a funk that took a decade to get out of. Seifert out of SF after going 12-4 in '96. They had winning records in 4 of the next 14 season. This is Jason Garrett's hand-picked offense, his kind of guys for his specific system. That starts and ends with Dak Prescott.

I remember when everyone wanted Reid out after 2007 in Philly. We never ended up winning a super bowl with him, but he was still the best guy to give us that chance, because they were his teams, his offenses. And we made the playoffs in 2008, 2009, and 2010 with 3 wildly different teams, but people were still pissed. Then suddenly everyone was happy we hired a Reid clone in Pederson after the Chip Kelly debacle. So be careful what you wish for.

If you're bad, can him. But does he really deserve to be fired if you make the playoffs? And how long is Dak's leash if you hire a defensive HC and he begins to regress? People will complain about Garrett, but no one should complain about him being bad for Dak, because that simply isn't true.

 

[408Cowboy]

Let's cut to the chase.

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Fans hate him, because he's boring and sort of creepy and he looks and acts externally like a 'yes' man who's been neutered by his boss. It doesn't matter that pretty much everybody who ever gets behind the veil says that's completely not the case.

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The Hall of Fame owner is so hellbent on seeing the infusion of new concepts into the playbook that he wants Moore to let him know if there's any resistance.

"I've said this to [Moore]: I want those new ideas," Jones said with a smile. "I want them fought for until the glass breaks. Squeal. Holler. If they're not being implemented, call me, but let's get in here and do the kinds of things we do to get the most out of a very talented roster.

https://247sports.com/nfl/dallas-co...-Kellen-Moore-will-excel-as-OC-129336723/Amp/

You know what a eunuch is?

 

[JBell]

Garrett is a glorified Quarterback coach. What happens when you bring someone in who's not that and you realize Garrett was responsible for Dak's development and sustainability? Happens a lot, When Vick, Kolb, and Mcnabb left Reid. When Montana left Walsh/Seifert. Just because Garrett isn't a great coach doesn't mean he isn't great for Dak. Ken Whisenhunt bombed as a head coach on multiple teams. But as a QB specialist specifically, he brought Rivers out of a multi-year slump when he came to SD. Then he left and Rivers regressed. Then he came back, and Rivers is now awesome again. Alex Smith has a career resurrection under Dougy P. Then Carson almost wins MVP under Pederson, former backup QB and QB coach guru like Garrett. Then Nick Foles suddenly ascends under Pederson.

Garrett's teams have been very up and down, but what hasn't been is quality QB play. From Romo to Prescott, you've gotten 5 or more of the 10 best QB years ever for the Cowboys. Like Pederson, that's not some random coincidence. Don't sign Dak to a monster deal if Garrett suddenly leaves at the beginning of it. There is a risk factor there.

Get a better D coordinator. A Jim Schwartz, a Vic Fangio, a Gregg Williams. What Garrett actually is became the new hotness in the NFL. If you drop him, he'll go to the Dolphins or the Titans or the Bengals and turn a fresh young QB into the next big thing. Like he did Romo, like he did Dak. He is the original Sean McVay, Dallas's offenses have been top 10 every year since he arrived, aside from Brandon Weeden's impeccable arm talent.

Garrett has a myriad of shortcomings as a head coach, but not to give him credit for 1 losing season in 9 years, 3 division titles in the last 5 years is silly. Every great year you've had since Aikman was because of the QB's play. Every one. (RB play assisted in that of course). And every one was because of GARRETT'S QB's play.

Fire him if you want, but expecting the team suddenly to get better with anyone else is probably not correct. Switching coaches after successful seasons almost never goes well. SD fired Schottenheimer after going 14-2 and it turned out to be an awful decision. Dallas fired Jimmy Johnson after winning the Super Bowl and they regret it to this day. Holmgren leaving GB left them in a funk that took a decade to get out of. Seifert out of SF after going 12-4 in '96. They had winning records in 4 of the next 14 season. This is Jason Garrett's hand-picked offense, his kind of guys for his specific system. That starts and ends with Dak Prescott.

If you're bad, can him. But does he really deserve to be fired if you make the playoffs? And how long is Dak's leash if you hire a defensive HC and he begins to regress? People will complain about Garrett, but no one should complain about him being bad for Dak, because that simply isn't true.

Causation = / = Correlation

"Dallas's offenses have been top 10 every year since he arrived, aside from Brandon Weeden's impeccable arm talent."

Um, no.

 

[Typhus]

He's a league average, to maybe slightly above league average head coach IMO. He's not terrible, he's not great. He's just good enough to keep his job for as long as he has but never great enough to elevate this team to a legit contender. He'll win some big games but then spits the bit at other times when he shouldn't.

He's very steady and often on an even keel, which I think helps him in the regular season. But when we get to the postseason, where there is a higher premium on coaching, adjustments, game plans, etc............ that's where he and his staff get exposed a bit.

This should be his make or break season. They keep saying this is his most talented team in 8+ years. It's time for him to put up or shut up............ no more excuses.

Is he a great coach, no,,, is a very smart man... absolutely.
JG know exactly how to keep Jerry stacking millions in his bank account for as long as possible.

 

[408Cowboy]

Pros:
-His RKG philosophy. McClay and company make it a priority to seek out guys who love football, and are typically (but not always) high character guys. Definitely think JG had an influence in that aspect. McClay rightfully gets a lot of the credit for the draft success we've had, but I think JG deserves some credit for the philosophy shift in drafting high character guys + focusing on the trenches.
-Positive Culture & Team Chemistry. It's easy to root for the guys on the team, due to the emphasis of bringing in high character guys. And it's obvious that this is a tight knit group (fishing trips, hot boyz, etc.)

Cons:
-Isn't going to help you schematically like other top tier NFL coaches do
-Has hurt the team in games due to poor clock management. If you're not going to make an impact schematically, you better be good at everything else.


I think for me the biggest problem (besides the lack of playoff success) with JG is that he doesn't give you an advantage on either side of the ball like the top tier coaches do. Guys like Sean Payton, Sean McVay, and Andy Reid double down as head coaches and offensive gurus. Belichick and Pete Carroll double down as head coaches and defensive gurus. If you have excellent offensive and defensive coordinators then it's not as big of an issue (until they leave for head coaching jobs), but that hasn't been the case here in Dallas.

He needs to be moved somewhere away from the field and behind a desk. Somewhere he can still work on those pros you listed while we find a coach that can accomplish his cons. Bottom line is he offers nothing on game day. I'm sure he's great Monday through Saturday but come Sunday he looks like a lightbulb that ain't quite all the way lit up.

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

"Dallas's offenses have been top 10 every year since he arrived, aside from Brandon Weeden's impeccable arm talent."

Um, no.

Okay, I looked it up. That was a stretch.

You guys were 22nd in total offense last year? Wow.

 

[DogFace]

He’s below average and after he leaves the market will prove that.

And I actually really do hope I’m wrong. I hope he wins it all this year and all of his years of repeated “second chances” pay off.

I’ve grown to hardly be able to listen to him talk. I don’t see how that changes.

As I’ve said before...he seems to do very little coaching or even talking on the sidelines. I feel his incessant clapping is a symptom of not knowing what he really should be doing.

@Ranching has said he sized him up in person and could whoop his butt easy. I’m not against that.

 

[DandyDon52]

He's a league average, to maybe slightly above league average head coach IMO. He's not terrible, he's not great. He's just good enough to keep his job for as long as he has but never great enough to elevate this team to a legit contender. He'll win some big games but then spits the bit at other times when he shouldn't.

He's very steady and often on an even keel, which I think helps him in the regular season. But when we get to the postseason, where there is a higher premium on coaching, adjustments, game plans, etc............ that's where he and his staff get exposed a bit.

This should be his make or break season. They keep saying this is his most talented team in 8+ years. It's time for him to put up or shut up............ no more excuses.

very good that is how I see it

Garrett's coaching is equivalent to a bus driver QB. If the team around him is really good, he can win, but he isn't going to elevate them.

good analogy. jones boys like bus drivers lol.

 

[DandyDon52]

I just feel he never earned the job to begin with. Neither did any of his brothers who we also employ. I came from a poor household and had to work for everything I had with actual job performance and ability. He and his brothers skated their whole life on daddy's coattails. Even when he transferred from college to college when his dad would change jobs. Now as a father now I don't blame his dad for helping his kids out. I blame the employer. He's now wasted 9 years learning on the job when we could have brought in a real coach with ability. It's the one thing in the league without a salary cap, we have the most $$, but the worst coaching staff.

very good, I agree. people go on about him going to harvard or wherever it was, but he wasnt that smart, his dad was HC and he was an
athelete and qb, and it is easy to be starting qb when your dad is HC.

 

[DandyDon52]

I think Garrett is weak and doesn't know how to coach in-game, we've seen this over and over again. 4th & 1 and we run to the Rams strength. He should have spoken up and over-ruled Linehan. Not going for it with the game on the line...etc. If he sees something he needs to take charge to win.

On the flip side, I don't think the Jones' do any good to the head coach by neutering him in public. But if Garrett weren't weak, the Jones' would know not to do this to their coach. They would hear an earful if he had any balls and stood up for himself. It's just a dysfunctional situation, and the Jones' have the perfect coach for it.

Hence, Garrett sucks

good points, that is why he is called a puppet coach. He coaches for the money, and his way overpaid ! Sure he wants to win,
but it is the money that is more important than winning, so he goes along with jones boys on everything.
At 6 mil a year, I understand, but if it were me after piling up 10 mil or so I think I would move on, to a better situation,
and try to win the big one .
Garrett is content to be neutered here and keep the millions rolling in.

 

[acr731]

good points, that is why he is called a puppet coach. He coaches for the money, and his way overpaid ! Sure he wants to win,
but it is the money that is more important than winning, so he goes along with jones boys on everything.
At 6 mil a year, I understand, but if it were me after piling up 10 mil or so I think I would move on, to a better situation,
and try to win the big one .
Garrett is content to be neutered here and keep the millions rolling in.

I would kick Jerrys butt if he tried to take my balls away.

 

[Idgit]

Let's cut to the chase.


The Hall of Fame owner is so hellbent on seeing the infusion of new concepts into the playbook that he wants Moore to let him know if there's any resistance.

"I've said this to [Moore]: I want those new ideas," Jones said with a smile. "I want them fought for until the glass breaks. Squeal. Holler. If they're not being implemented, call me, but let's get in here and do the kinds of things we do to get the most out of a very talented roster.

https://247sports.com/nfl/dallas-co...-Kellen-Moore-will-excel-as-OC-129336723/Amp/

You know what a eunuch is?

Right? Unlike most billionaire megalomaniac owners, ours wants things his way sometimes. It’s crazy.

This is Jerry, throwing his coach under the bus like he does. That’s not going to magically change with a new guy in the HC chair. The reality is, we don’t really know what went down with Linehan and with the decision to replace him with Moore, and we don’t really know who was in favor of what.

And If we’re using recent Jerry quotes to get at what he feels about Garrett, or Moore, there’s always this:

“It's important to me that Jason Garrett is, if you will, sitting here as a safety net relative to the nuts and bolts of the offense," Jones said. "And so it was a great opportunity from my perspective to take a unproven, if you will, a young Kellen Moore, surround him with really fresh ideas, surround him with a team that has worked with him ... and then let them come together."

Garrett is in the final year of his contract. As Jones pointed out, the coach was in a similar situation in 2014 -- Dallas won the NFC East and lost in the divisional round of the playoffs. Garrett then signed a five-year extension.

"It's obvious to the world that Jason, as [former Cowboys coach] Bill Parcells used to say, might have a place in the family portrait," Jones said, "Jason is outstanding today, relative to where he was when he joined as a coach, offensive coordinator, then became the head coach.

"On our dime so to speak ... Jason has become outstanding. ... We've won a lot of ballgames. Actually, I think he's the second winningest percentage coach in the history of the Dallas Cowboys.

"My point is, I'm satisfied with where we are with his contract right now. It is to be negotiated at some point in the future. We all know that we need to get out here and win ballgames."
​

Be careful selectively reading into what Jerry says about his team in the offseason. He talks out of both sides of his mouth and is trying to sell his brand.

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[Cowboysheelsreds053]

Iced his own kicker!! Dropped the mic.

 

[Ranching]

How so? Please elaborate

I've said the story before. Won't go there again. I dont like the dude. I hope he does well thus year. At the end of the day, I'm a Cowboy fan. If he succeeds, I'll be very happy.

 

[Diehardblues]

Right? Unlike most billionaire megalomaniac owners, ours wants things his way sometimes. It’s crazy.

This is Jerry, throwing his coach under the bus like he does. That’s not going to magically change with a new guy in the HC chair. The reality is, we don’t really know what went down with Linehan and with the decision to replace him with Moore, and we don’t really know who was in favor of what.

And If we’re using recent Jerry quotes to get at what he feels about Garrett, or Moore, there’s always this:

“It's important to me that Jason Garrett is, if you will, sitting here as a safety net relative to the nuts and bolts of the offense," Jones said. "And so it was a great opportunity from my perspective to take a unproven, if you will, a young Kellen Moore, surround him with really fresh ideas, surround him with a team that has worked with him ... and then let them come together."

Garrett is in the final year of his contract. As Jones pointed out, the coach was in a similar situation in 2014 -- Dallas won the NFC East and lost in the divisional round of the playoffs. Garrett then signed a five-year extension.

"It's obvious to the world that Jason, as [former Cowboys coach] Bill Parcells used to say, might have a place in the family portrait," Jones said, "Jason is outstanding today, relative to where he was when he joined as a coach, offensive coordinator, then became the head coach.

"On our dime so to speak ... Jason has become outstanding. ... We've won a lot of ballgames. Actually, I think he's the second winningest percentage coach in the history of the Dallas Cowboys.

"My point is, I'm satisfied with where we are with his contract right now. It is to be negotiated at some point in the future. We all know that we need to get out here and win ballgames."
​

Be careful selectively reading into what Jerry says about his team in the offseason. He talks out of both sides of his mouth and is trying to sell his brand.

​

Yep

Promoting his brand always comes first. Then if it doesn’t fruition he goes into damage control mode. It’s a vicious cycle.

 

[Diehardblues]

Our expectations with Garrett coincide with Jerry’s. You can’t have one without the other.

 

[Pantone282C]

Our expectations with Garrett coincide with Jerry’s. You can’t have one without the other.

Very difficult to conceptualize it otherwise.

Right? Unlike most billionaire megalomaniac owners, ours wants things his way sometimes. It’s crazy.

This is Jerry, throwing his coach under the bus like he does. That’s not going to magically change with a new guy in the HC chair. The reality is, we don’t really know what went down with Linehan and with the decision to replace him with Moore, and we don’t really know who was in favor of what.

And If we’re using recent Jerry quotes to get at what he feels about Garrett, or Moore, there’s always this:

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"It's obvious to the world that Jason, as [former Cowboys coach] Bill Parcells used to say, might have a place in the family portrait," Jones said, "Jason is outstanding today, relative to where he was when he joined as a coach, offensive coordinator, then became the head coach.
​

Be careful selectively reading into what Jerry says about his team in the offseason. He talks out of both sides of his mouth and is trying to sell his brand.

​

Worth noting.

 

[Hennessy_King]

@Hennessy_King has already blown my fragile fragility today...
He's so awesome.

Today's a new day!