Where does Flo rank all time? (Cowboys)

[Manster68]

I was thinking about it the other night. Where would you rank Flozell Adams all time amongst all of the offensive tackles that wore the star?

Right now, I would have him ranked third.

Erik Williams, despite not getting any HOF recognition, is still the second best offensive lineman I have ever seen behind Larry Allen. Big E was an absolute beast.

Rayfield Wright finally got his due into Canton a couple of years ago. He was truly amazing. The young Cowboy fans really missed out.

Then I would put Flozell Adams here.

Ralph Neely was a great offensive tackle as well. There was a reason Landry's offenses ran the ball so well. It wasn't just Reeves, Garrison, Hill, Thomas, Dennison, Pearson, and eventually Dorsett. Neely played a key role in all of these running back's effectiveness.

Stanford's own Pat Donovan came to Dallas as a defensive end. Landry molded him into a multi Pro Bowl offensive tackle. There is definately a place for Donovan in this conversation.

The late Mark Tuenei was ever steady and witnessed the best and worst of times as a Dallas Cowboy. He did make a Pro Bowl appearance and his play against Bruce Smith in the Super Bowls was top notch.

And.....

...I just might consider placing Marc Colombo here.

So, here is my order of Dallas Cowboys Offensive Tackles:

1. Erik Williams
2. Rayfield Wright
3. Flozell Adams
4. Ralph Neely
5. Pat Donovan
6. Mark Teunei
7. Marc Colombo

 

[TellerMorrow34]

I think Erik was amazing, prior to his injury. After that knee injury he was still very good but never the same.

Outside of that I have no issue with your list. It would be hard for me to put anyone over Erik, regardless, but I am sure people could make a real case for Flo.

 

[THUMPER]

So, here is my order of Dallas Cowboys Offensive Tackles:

1. Erik Williams
2. Rayfield Wright
3. Flozell Adams
4. Ralph Neely
5. Pat Donovan
6. Mark Teunei
7. Marc Colombo

I think I would swap Adams and Neely. Neely was named All-Pro 3 times and went to 2 Pro-Bowls. He was a solid as you can get at OT for 13 years. I rank him slightly ahead of Flozell. Other than that, it is a good list.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

I think I would swap Adams and Neely. Neely was named All-Pro 3 times and went to 2 Pro-Bowls. He was a solid as you can get at OT for 13 years. I rank him slightly ahead of Flozell. Other than that, it is a good list.

Well I don't know how many times Flo has been named All-Pro but he's been a pro bowler 4 out of the last 5 years. That might be a push.

 

[AmishCowboy]

Flo is Very Underated by this Board.

 

[Nors]

#1 in false starts hands down!

He is in top 5

 

[Nors]

Larry Allen played a few years at Tackle.

 

[THUMPER]

Well I don't know how many times Flo has been named All-Pro but he's been a pro bowler 4 out of the last 5 years. That might be a push.

Adams' frequent penalties put him below Neely IMO.

 

[Manster68]

Here is some of my reasoning for why I put Flo at #3.

During the Gailey years, he initially started as a guard and was impressive his rookie season. 1998 and 1999 was basically Flo getting into the NFL groove, and I though he did very well.

The Campo years, it was difficult to measure Flo's progress as Dallas was struggling through 5-11 seasons.

Once Parcells came on the scene, he seemed to have elevated him into Pro Bowl status. He has basically not looked back ever since.

False starts seem to be an achilles heel. However, I can handle the false starts providing he protects the quarterbacks blind side. When he has been healthy, only Walter Jones has been better the last five years. His 2005 injury showcased just how valuable he really is.

For a guy who is deaf in one ear, that is pretty good.

Also, watching Osi Umenyura in the Super Bowl last Sunday should be an infomercial for resigning Adams. Osi is not going anywhere folks. Watching how well Adams played against him the last couple of seasons should tell you his worth to this team. He is already a Cowboy, and it would be stupid to let him go.

It is good to see not many Cowboy fans are willing to get rid of him anymore.

 

[THUMPER]

Here is some of my reasoning for why I put Flo at #3.

During the Gailey years, he initially started as a guard and was impressive his rookie season. 1998 and 1999 was basically Flo getting into the NFL groove, and I though he did very well.

The Campo years, it was difficult to measure Flo's progress as Dallas was struggling through 5-11 seasons.

Once Parcells came on the scene, he seemed to have elevated him into Pro Bowl status. He has basically not looked back ever since.

False starts seem to be an achilles heel. However, I can handle the false starts providing he protects the quarterbacks blind side. When he has been healthy, only Walter Jones has been better the last five years. His 2005 injury showcased just how valuable he really is.

For a guy who is deaf in one ear, that is pretty good.

Also, watching Osi Umenyura in the Super Bowl last Sunday should be an infomercial for resigning Adams. Osi is not going anywhere folks. Watching how well Adams played against him the last couple of seasons should tell you his worth to this team. He is already a Cowboy, and it would be stupid to let him go.

It is good to see not many Cowboy fans are willing to get rid of him anymore.

Pro-Bowl left tackles are worth their weight in gold. Getting rid of him is NOT an option for the Cowboys. They WILL re-sign him and he will likely retire a Cowboy.

 

[Manster68]

Pro-Bowl left tackles are worth their weight in gold. Getting rid of him is NOT an option for the Cowboys. They WILL re-sign him and he will likely retire a Cowboy.

At the very worst, the franchise tag.

 

[big dog cowboy]

At the very worst, the franchise tag.

I don't think the Cowboy front office has anything like that in the plan. The salary cap hit would almost singlehandedly kill FA for us.

 

[Kangaroo]

Please you forgot Tunei who was better than Floe Neeley was better than Flo as well. Karry Allen who played LT for us at times as well

Flo has and will always be a good LT nothing more he is not special

 

[Future]

Larry Allen played a few years at Tackle.

Err thought I would be the first to post...:laugh2:

 

[AmishCowboy]

He leads the League in False Starts because he's deaf in one ear and BTW how many sacks does he give up going against the other team's best pass rusher?.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Adams has been good... very good. But no way in the top 5. Neely and Pat D. were both betther. Larry Allen played tackle at a higher level than Adams.

Adams also costs himself a few points with me for having 0 playoff wins.

 

[Yeagermeister]

I was thinking about it the other night. Where would you rank Flozell Adams all time amongst all of the offensive tackles that wore the star?

Right now, I would have him ranked third.

Erik Williams, despite not getting any HOF recognition, is still the second best offensive lineman I have ever seen behind Larry Allen. Big E was an absolute beast.

Rayfield Wright finally got his due into Canton a couple of years ago. He was truly amazing. The young Cowboy fans really missed out.

Then I would put Flozell Adams here.

Ralph Neely was a great offensive tackle as well. There was a reason Landry's offenses ran the ball so well. It wasn't just Reeves, Garrison, Hill, Thomas, Dennison, Pearson, and eventually Dorsett. Neely played a key role in all of these running back's effectiveness.

Stanford's own Pat Donovan came to Dallas as a defensive end. Landry molded him into a multi Pro Bowl offensive tackle. There is definately a place for Donovan in this conversation.

The late Mark Tuenei was ever steady and witnessed the best and worst of times as a Dallas Cowboy. He did make a Pro Bowl appearance and his play against Bruce Smith in the Super Bowls was top notch.

And.....

...I just might consider placing Marc Colombo here.

So, here is my order of Dallas Cowboys Offensive Tackles:

1. Erik Williams
2. Rayfield Wright
3. Flozell Adams
4. Ralph Neely
5. Pat Donovan
6. Mark Teunei
7. Marc Colombo

Personally I'd swap #1 and 2.....Rayfield never gave up a sack in his career and is in the HOF. Erik was a great player but IMO Rayfield should rank higher.

Neely and Donovan I can't say anything about I never saw them play.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

My gosh, there had to be someone on those 1960's teams that were better than Colombo.

God, Cowboy fans are homers for the current team.

 

[Yeagermeister]

My gosh, there had to be someone on those 1960's teams that were better than Colombo.

God, Cowboy fans are homers for the current team.

I wasn't around until mid 1969 so I can't really comment on them. Where's Pops when we need him?

 

[joseephuss]

Personally I'd swap #1 and 2.....Rayfield never gave up a sack in his career and is in the HOF. Erik was a great player but IMO Rayfield should rank higher.

Neely and Donovan I can't say anything about I never saw them play.

Is that really true? I have seen that mentioned before on this board. I have always found it hard to believe. The odds are that he did give up a sack or two. He went up against some great pass rushers in his day. There is no shame in giving up a sack to some of the greats that he faced. I know of no web site to go to that would have this type of information easily accessible especially since sacks were not an official stat during his playing time.

I typically doubt when I hear some great high school recruit or college player hasn't given up a sack. I wonder what criteria was used to come up with that. And then to expect it on the NFL level is a whole other thing.

I know the Hall of Fame is screwy, but if people were throwing out the argument for Wright that he never allowed a sack it would not have taken him so long to get in the HoF. Even those nimrods would have to be impressed.

Wright is easily the best tackle in Cowboy's history. Williams would have been first if he played at his top level for several more years, but that car accident knocked him down a peg. Neely is third and I would put Flo on a similar level to Donovan. Larry Allen could have been great as a tackle if he stayed out there for many years, but most of his time was as a guard.