Where does Flo rank all time? (Cowboys)

[Yeagermeister]

Is that really true? I have seen that mentioned before on this board. I have always found it hard to believe. The odds are that he did give up a sack or two. He went up against some great pass rushers in his day. There is no shame in giving up a sack to some of the greats that he faced. I know of no web site to go to that would have this type of information easily accessible especially since sacks were not an official stat during his playing time.

I typically doubt when I hear some great high school recruit or college player hasn't given up a sack. I wonder what criteria was used to come up with that. And then to expect it on the NFL level is a whole other thing.

I know the Hall of Fame is screwy, but if people were throwing out the argument for Wright that he never allowed a sack it would not have taken him so long to get in the HoF. Even those nimrods would have to be impressed.

Wright is easily the best tackle in Cowboy's history. Williams would have been first if he played at his top level for several more years, but that car accident knocked him down a peg. Neely is third and I would put Flo on a similar level to Donovan. Larry Allen could have been great as a tackle if he stayed out there for many years, but most of his time was as a guard.

It was brought up quite a few times leading up to his induction so I assume it is true. If not someone would have corrected the statement.

 

[Romo2Dez4six]

1st in false starts, but further down the chart for best ever in history

 

[cml750]

Top ten for sure but nowhere near top three.

 

[Doomsday101]

1st in false starts, but further down the chart for best ever in history

I agree. Flo has very good skills but his tendency to draw flags drops him in my book

 

[MichaelWinicki]

D. Bair brought up a good name... Jim Cooper.

He was better than Colombo.

 

[THUMPER]

Here are the names of OTs to choose from (chronologically):

Byron Bradfute
Bob Fry
Monte Clark
Dale Memmelaar
Tony Liscio
Ray Schoenke
Jim Boeke
Ralph Neely
Don Talbert
Rayfield Wright
Forrest Gregg
Rodney Wallace
Bruce Walton
Pat Donovan
Andy Frederick
Jim Cooper
Phil Pozderac
Howard Richards
Chris Schultz
Mark Tuinei
Kevin Gogan
Dave Widell
Erik Williams
Larry Allen
George Hegamin
Tony Hutson
Flozell Adams
Oliver Ross
Solomon Page
Cha-Ron Dorsey
Javiar Collins
Ross Tucker
Torrin Tucker
Kurt Vollers
Tyson Walter
Ryan Young
Rob Petitti
Marc Columbo

Some of these guys started a lot of games, some played very sparingly. Some were great, some very good, some were just decent, some were barely adequate, and some were a disappointment.

IMO Rayfield Wright is the best we have ever had at the position but Erik Williams, when he was in his prime, was a more dominant player, certainly a better run blocker. I don't think Big-E's technique was anywhere near as good as Wright's but he was a LOT stronger. Larry Allen was a monster at OT but was more suited to OG, but I would rank him 3rd. He would probably have been #1 or 2 if he had played there longer.

After those three I would rank Ralph Neely, Pat Donovan, Mark Tuinei, Flozell Adams, Tony Liscio, Kevin Gogan, Marc Columbo, and Jim Cooper (who like Allen mostly played OG for us).

 

[Kangaroo]

Erik Williams was down right mean; if he could have stayed sober and not destroyed his knee (because ot it) we be talking HOF with the guy he had a 4 year stretch where he was one of the most dominant olinemen there was.

We be talking about a duo of Allen and Williams to the hall from the 90's team

 

[Doomsday101]

Erik Williams was down right mean; if he could have stayed sober and not destroyed his knee (because ot it) we be talking HOF with the guy he had a 4 year stretch where he was one of the most dominant olinemen there was.

We be talking about a duo of Allen and Williams to the hall from the 90's team

I agree. He did not just block he would beat his man up

 

[THUMPER]

I agree. He did not just block he would beat his man up

I loved how he consistently dominated Wedgie Whine and made him cry in one of the playoff games against the Packers.

 

[Doomsday101]

I loved how he consistently dominated Wedgie Whine and made him cry in one of the playoff games against the Packers.

Erik was one of the few I ever saw completely dominate Reggie White

 

[Kangaroo]

I agree. He did not just block he would beat his man up

The two nastiest olinemen I ever saw in Dallas both came from the 90's team and wish we had a couple of them now.

Eric Williams would just club guys to death; Williams was now right nasty meanest olinemen i ever saw play.

The second was Kevin Gogan he was down right brutal and when they moved him to guard he was even better. That is the one I hated letting go he went on to Oakland to play and he definitively injected attitude in their oline when he got there.

Rayfiled Wright is are all time best Olinemen the man had impeccable technique and his foot work.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

But you know either Johnston or Aikman said that if they were trapped in an alley and headed for a fight the one guy they wanted with them was Mark Tuinei.

 

[RS12]

What about Phil Pozderik ? LOL!!

 

[Manster68]

What about Phil Pozderik ? LOL!!

Phil Pozderik belongs in the same category as Torrin Tucker and Rob Pettiti.

If I remember correctly, Poz was a 3rd round pick. At least Tucker and Pettiti cost virtually nothing.