Where's the nasty?

[birdwells1]

Ronnie Lott would be flagged repeatedly in today's NFL. Ronnie Lott would also have known how to dial it down and would have still been the best Safety who ever played.

Look, I am all for playing with attitude, but the idea we need a James Harrison is patently wrong. We do not need a player who quite possibly is on steroids as many people surmise. We do not need a player drawing illegal contact penalties. If you think we do then don't ever whine about another penalty flag thrown on our players and call it dumb? No, it is by that definition "nasty" and needed. We certainly do not need a player who is in the NFL Commissioner's crosshairs, has already been suspended for a game and it will be more if he keeps it up.

I'll take smart football players like Lee and Ware over out of balance players like Harrison.

I like Lee and Ware but don't act like Harrison's a bum, he's a player to.
Ware is a better player than Harrison but Harrison brings something extra to the table that Ware lacks, he's a mean, honery, sob and at the lber position that valuable.

 

[Eskimo]

As for nastiness, we don't need that.

We have many soft players from the last regime and I think they are being weeded out over time.

Sean Lee will be the leader of this defense but he needs another year before he can take that mantle. The others will follow him because of his toughness, intelligence and work ethic. He is our best draft pick since Ratliff.

The defense needs at least 5 more players but it will take a couple of years to get it done. The offense is ready to go to elite next year once the OL is solidified in the offseason.

 

[birdwells1]

My definition of "nasty" is tough, mean, HARD HITTING. I was talking to a 49ers fan the other day and he asked me what I thought of his team. I told him that had a "nasty" defense but that the offense is suspect.

Sooo we don't need this?

 

[Eskimo]

look at what harbaugh has done with the 49ers.

that dline and oline is filled with nasty SOBS.

they've got a physical down hill running game.

linebackers that are athletic and knock your head.

and ball hawks in the secondary.

if you want an example of what i'd want from this team, it's more the 49ers than the steelers.

I don't see what Harbaugh has done - almost all those players were there already but just needed a bit of seasoning and a bus driver QB. That team is very talented on the OL and front 7.

 

[Hostile]

I like Lee and Ware but don't act like Harrison's a bum, he's a player to.
Ware is a better player than Harrison but Harrison brings something extra to the table that Ware lacks, he's a mean, honery, sob and at the lber position that valuable.

I'd take Lamarr Woodley. I want no part of James Harrison.

 

[The30YardSlant]

I'd take Lamarr Woodley. I want no part of James Harrison.

Most coaches would gladly take 22 guys with Harrison's fire, talent and drive and go win them a few Superbowls.

 

[Deep_South]

Most coaches would gladly take 22 guys with Harrison's fire, talent and drive and go win them a few Superbowls.

That team would have so many penalties it would have negative net yardage every game.

 

[Hostile]

Most coaches would gladly take 22 guys with Harrison's fire, talent and drive and go win them a few Superbowls.

No they wouldn't. Tell me what Harrison has given them that Polumalu hasn't. That Pig Pen Ruthlessraper hasn't. That Hines Ward hasn't.

I'd take any one of them over Harrison any day of the week. He's not a bad player, but he's out of control to the point he hurts his team as often as he helps them.

I see Harrison as very little different from Roy Williams at Safety. The NFL wanted the horse collar tackle outlawed and he kept drawing flags, and fines until he actually began to play soft and was no longer our enforcer.

Harrison isn't pulling back but he's at the point of no return where he just got suspended and they are going to pile on more and it is going to hurt his team.

Drive isn't the only thing that helps teams win. Patience does too.

 

[birdwells1]

That team would have so many penalties it would have negative net yardage every game.

Some of you can't see the positives that Harrison brings to the table. You only look at measurables, I'll ask you this, how many times does the tight end or wr drop a pass because he's looking for Harrison?

How jacked does his team get after one of those hits?

When the opposing team is looking at game film and see him lay someone out what do you think goes through their minds?

Those aren't things that you can measure but should be talked about when you evaluate him.

 

[realtick]

How'd the Lions do without Suh? How'd the Steelers do without Harrison?

The Steelers lost without Harrison during his one-game suspension.

The Lions were 1-1 during Suh's two-game suspension.

?

 

[realtick]

No they wouldn't. Tell me what Harrison has given them that Polumalu hasn't. That Pig Pen Ruthlessraper hasn't. That Hines Ward hasn't.

I'd take any one of them over Harrison any day of the week. He's not a bad player, but he's out of control to the point he hurts his team as often as he helps them.

I see Harrison as very little different from Roy Williams at Safety. The NFL wanted the horse collar tackle outlawed and he kept drawing flags, and fines until he actually began to play soft and was no longer our enforcer.

Harrison isn't pulling back but he's at the point of no return where he just got suspended and they are going to pile on more and it is going to hurt his team.

Drive isn't the only thing that helps teams win. Patience does too.

Roy Williams' horsecollar form of tackling wasn't part of being an "enforcer."

As far as I remember the league has been on James Harrison since 2009. And just looking at his two last seasons dating back to the start of the 2010 season, I'll take his 19.5 sacks, 8 FFs, 10 STFL, 2 INTs in the past 26 games if that's considered playing "soft."

 

[Hostile]

Roy Williams' horsecollar form of tackling wasn't part of being an "enforcer."

As far as I remember the league has been on James Harrison since 2009. And just looking at his two last seasons dating back to the start of the 2010 season, I'll take his 19.5 sacks, 8 FFs, 10 STFL, 2 INTs in the past 26 games if that's considered playing "soft."

First of all I did not call James Harrison soft. Read it again.

In case it still isn't registering, I said Roy Williams began to play soft.

Second, I didn't say the horse collar tackling was how Roy was an enforcer. I said that as the league kept on him he started playing more and more tentative and soft until he was no longer an enforcer.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

Not everyone can be Darren Woodson.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

Ratliff is pretty Nasty. Other than that, we don't have a nasty guy. Too bad we can't have a nasty coach like Jimmy Johnson. I hate watching coaching be the downfall of this team this year. I just hate the fact we are where we are.

 

[forever22]

Some of you can't see the positives that Harrison brings to the table. You only look at measurables, I'll ask you this, how many times does the tight end or wr drop a pass because he's looking for Harrison?

How jacked does his team get after one of those hits?

When the opposing team is looking at game film and see him lay someone out what do you think goes through their minds?

Those aren't things that you can measure but should be talked about when you evaluate him.

Again, nasty or fire don't mean squat if you don't have the talent and abilty to make a play. Harrison is feared because he is good. Period. If he wiffed at virtually every play, would anyone be afraid to be near him? You don't have to be nasty or have a mean streak to make a play, you just have to be good. If you're good and make the play, the offense sits down. Now how does sitting the offense down relate to one being nasty? It doesn't. Make the play. I don't care if someone is making the highlight reels for "jacked up" just make the play and it will take care of itself. And once again, some people here think because they arent jacking someone up, theyre soft. Not the same thing. Lee isn't soft and Lee hits. You don't see him getting up and dancing around and making gestures for ESPN. He does his job. He doesn't spit on anyone, stomp on them. What difference does it make if he stops someone from a first down or Harrison? The result is the same. I don't care if Ware is feared, he's respected as a force to be reckoned with and thats all that matters. If someone dancing on your star doesn't motivate you to stop him, you don't have desire - of course, it takes more than one or two players to stop an offense.

...and again, the word nasty is being thrown around in two different terms

 

[birdwells1]

Again, nasty or fire don't mean squat if you don't have the talent and abilty to make a play. Harrison is feared because he is good. Period. If he wiffed at virtually every play, would anyone be afraid to be near him? You don't have to be nasty or have a mean streak to make a play, you just have to be good. If you're good and make the play, the offense sits down. Now how does sitting the offense down relate to one being nasty? It doesn't. Make the play. I don't care if someone is making the highlight reels for "jacked up" just make the play and it will take care of itself. And once again, some people here think because they arent jacking someone up, theyre soft. Not the same thing. Lee isn't soft and Lee hits. You don't see him getting up and dancing around and making gestures for ESPN. He does his job. He doesn't spit on anyone, stomp on them. What difference does it make if he stops someone from a first down or Harrison? The result is the same. I don't care if Ware is feared, he's respected as a force to be reckoned with and thats all that matters. If someone dancing on your star doesn't motivate you to stop him, you don't have desire - of course, it takes more than one or two players to stop an offense.

...and again, the word nasty is being thrown around in two different terms

You don't have to be mean to play defense but it sure helps.

 

[jnday]

IMO nasty does not mean dirty . Randy White , Cliff Harris and Erik Williams were nasty players . I wouldn't call them dirty . Hos , I am going to ask you in a respectfull way . Don't you think this team would benefit from having players with attitudes like I listed ? I think it would make a world of difference . These players were respected . This patting players on the butt while helping them off the ground irks me to no end .

 

[Cowboyz88]

This team is in dire need for a strong defensive leader.

Why did Keith Brooking come over and in his first year become the defensive leader? The only thing he did was fill a void. Ware, Brady, Newman, Spears, and Ratliff was already hear and all are original Cowboy and Keith Brooking from Atlanta came over and became the teams leader. That right there should tell you something.

I, along with some other posters, have brought up this observation a number of times over the years only to have it conveniently brushed aside.

It was mentioned that Ware was the face of the defense, and I love Ware, but it's very obvious (or should be) to anyone who watches the Cowboys that he's a gentle soul. Yes, he makes great plays, racks up many sacks and has to be accounted for at all times, but I don't think he instills fear. Respect? Without a doubt but not fear, IMO.

Likewise, because he is a gentle soul, I don't think he's one to continually jump into someone's face (his own team or the opposition). He's clearly a lead-by-example type.

Rat has fire for sure, but as mentioned, he along with Bradie, Spears, Newman, etc. have been here a looong time with minimal team success, so something's clearly missing. Not a leader among them, IMO.

And there it is. This team needs – and has long needed – a clear leader (offense doesn't have one either) who is the perfect combination of play, swagger, confidence, demeanor and vocal ability.

They don't have to be dirty, but intensity and confidence is a must, IMO just like Staubach, Lilly, Jordan, Allen, Harris, White, Waters, Williams, Smith, Norton, Woodson, etc.

 

[tyke1doe]

So we want a player who draws big penalties and suspensions.





Yeah, that will fix this team. Out of morbid curiosity who is this mad dog on Green Bay or New Orleans?

:laugh2:

 

[tyke1doe]

who was the Patriots' nasty when they were winning 3 out of 4?

Richard Seymour and Rodney Harrison.