Where's the Orton blame?

[Hook'em#11]

I don't blame Orton any more than I would've blamed Romo.. Which, is not at all.l. ONCE AGAIN, this team doesn't rely on running the damn ball. Murray was bruising the Eagles Defense. The Eagles defense is undersized, and they would've starting wearing down. But, no, Murray gets stuffed a few times and BAM! Running game goes bye bye.. Instead, They make lame stupid calls like passing to the TE for a yard or two. Are you kidding me? What is this? Bill Parcells football again? Is Troy Hambrick back there? Really , really frustrating.

It's just funny that two game losing INT's were basically the same route, the same WR, the same result. An inaccurate pass behind the WR. Otherwise, The WR is still running.

 

[TNCowboy]

Jerry is that you????

Tony Romo homers can't handle that Orton basically played a carbon copy of a typical Romo game.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

And just to add. All the people putting games on Romo for checking out of run plays needs to see that we threw 46 times in a tight game with a back-up QB that's only thrown 17 passes the last couple of years. The evidence is all there for all the Garrett homers to see where the real problem is on offense.

bingo, unless of course Orton also checked out of all of Garrett's run plays

 

[Yakuza Rich]

If true, it certainly sounds like a very fixable problem with the correct coaching.

However the current management seems to want more Romo audibling, not less.

I agree for the most part.

I do think that part of the issue is that Romo has difficulty reading defenses. That’s why when we motion it’s almost always done to try and see if the player motioning has either zone or man-to-man coverage. I think it also shows up in the team going to a 2-TE base formation. The 2-TE’s help make those type of pre-snap reads easier.
The issue is that often times defenses will show man or show zone and switch and then switch between all of the coverage shells. I think for most QB’s they figure that you just have to run the play and execute better than the defense.
I think it’s mostly coachable, but not something easy and simple.


YR

 

[theebs]

Orton is tall guys.

 

[TwoDeep3]

He throws a pick at the end to end our season...

Lol, I actually applaud Orton. He played much better than I anticipated. What I am saying is, different QB, same result. Too many passes and not establishing a balance at the end with running the ball. Our offensive coaching is not playing to the situation of the game.

Right here. He cost the team the game.

If I think it from Romo when the winning drive ends inn a pic, I think it with Orton.

You see, it is being consistent with opinions.

 

[wileedog]

I agree for the most part.

I do think that part of the issue is that Romo has difficulty reading defenses. That’s why when we motion it’s almost always done to try and see if the player motioning has either zone or man-to-man coverage. I think it also shows up in the team going to a 2-TE base formation. The 2-TE’s help make those type of pre-snap reads easier.
The issue is that often times defenses will show man or show zone and switch and then switch between all of the coverage shells. I think for most QB’s they figure that you just have to run the play and execute better than the defense.
I think it’s mostly coachable, but not something easy and simple.


YR

All I know is nobody in the history of ever does more barking and audibling at the line than Payton Manning, and his lines don't seem to have an issue with it.

And who knows how many bad plays last night would have turned into good one's had Orton been given leeway to audible like Tony?

Again, way too much speculation based on the results of one game. We have had several penalty free games from the Oline this year, so saying this is solely a Romo issue is a theory at best.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

Orton did well but the problem is he has to make quick reads because he has no elusiveness and a slow release. Plays like Romo's throw to Williams in the Skins game or the throw to Dez against the Pack, not only did Orton not provide that but he has no chance of ever doing it. I will always wonder what plays there were to be made in that game with the OL playing well. Again, not to say that Kyle is anywhere near the top of the list of problems, but he didn't make a single play that a marginal starter in this league couldn't make... and we needed more (with hindsight of course).

 

[ufcrules1]

You ask a guy who hasn't played in 2 years to throw it almost 50 times, you're going to see some bad throws.

Overall, he played pretty well. Probably gave us about the same game as Romo would have.

Heading into this game I would have preferred Romo.. after the game started and I saw how Orton was playing, I would prefer him in there. Yes, he played as good if not better than Romo would have.

 

[CooterBrown]

In my opinion Orton was better than Foles, and a lot of people are just carrying on about how good Foles has been. Foles might be good in a couple years. That QB rating stat is misleading. His numbers there are good because he doesn't take many chances with the ball. If his first read isn't open he either takes a sack of throws it away.

But, since this was originally about Orton and Romo, I will address that as well. Orton did well on his pre-snap reads and knew who he should be throwing to. That is why he had a clean pocket and didn't get sacked. Orton was snap-set-throw most of the night. The very thing P. Manning is so good at. Orton is Parcells' kind of quarterback. Don't overthink it, just get it out quick and throw it where you are supposed to. He did throw two passes that were behind the receivers and were intercepted, but with Parcells, he would not have had an opportunity to throw it 46 times. And, despite those interceptions, that deep seam route to Witten could not have been thrown any better by anyone on the planet.

With all that said, where Orton is lacking in comparison to Romo is not only the mobility, but the willingness to wait until someone breaks open. With Romo, I think that at least one of those field goals would have been a touchdown instead. Those little pointless dump offs after Foles' fumble would have been different. Romo might have tried it once, but he would have looked elsewhere first.

All in all, Orton did very well with the little practice he had with the first team. I remember Collinsworth's quote saying Orton's mechanics are much better than they used to be because as a back up who never gets first team snaps, "he didn't have anything else to do but work on his mechanics." Orton is a very good backup quarterback, but I think he is better than a lot of starters in this league and will get another chance to start somewhere else.

 

[links18]

wasnt risky at all Austin was open, it was a bad inaccurate pass but the decition was the right one

I respectfully disagree........

 

[burmafrd]

YR is kind of funny. Totally wrong but funny. The Usual Suspects are desperately trying to find a way to blame Romo for the loss.

Bottom line is there is a reason Orton is a back up and Tony is the starter. All the stupidity spewed by some in the world does not change that simple fact.

 

[burmafrd]

By the way

46 passes

by your backup QB

really smart game plan

even smarter game calling

 

[boyzjunkie]

I cannot blame a WR/TE for a ball thrown behind him when he's moving in game speed... Sorry.

The announcer, Chris Collingsworth , disagrees with you. Says if Witten opened his hips he would have been in the proper position to catch the pass. But what does he know. He never played football.

 

[SDCowboy]

Tony Romo homers can't handle that Orton basically played a carbon copy of a typical Romo game.

Uh, what? Romo had a 3:1 TD:INT ratio, so try again.

 

[5Stars]

I agree for the most part.

I do think that part of the issue is that Romo has difficulty reading defenses. That’s why when we motion it’s almost always done to try and see if the player motioning has either zone or man-to-man coverage. I think it also shows up in the team going to a 2-TE base formation. The 2-TE’s help make those type of pre-snap reads easier.
The issue is that often times defenses will show man or show zone and switch and then switch between all of the coverage shells. I think for most QB’s they figure that you just have to run the play and execute better than the defense.
I think it’s mostly coachable, but not something easy and simple.


YR

lmao yeah, Romo can't read a defense. smh

 

[5Stars]

Heading into this game I would have preferred Romo.. after the game started and I saw how Orton was playing, I would prefer him in there. Yes, he played as good if not better than Romo would have.

Says the biggest Romo lover on this forum! lol

Romo would have won the game last night with the way the defense played. HOWEVER! Again, the coaches stopped running the freaking ball.

 

[jobberone]

The truth is that if Romo had thrown that INT there would be denizens of Romo supporters blaming Miles Austin. When that would not work, then they would go back to blaming Garrett and the defense. Finally it would end with 'Kyle Orton isn't going to do any better' and 'you're going to be sorry when Romo is gone.'

If anything, this game showed me that Romo is over-valued by the organization. He's better than Orton for sure, but he's not so much better that it justifies that much more money that he gets paid versus what Orton gets paid. I think for years we just saw that Romo was worlds better than Brad Johnson, Jon Kitna and Drew Bledsoe. That fooled the organization into thinking that we needed to make this past contract extension.






YR

Perhaps you're right. We don't normally disagree but I think Tony wins that game. Perhaps he throws 4-5 picks. I don't think Romo is worth that much money but then no one's work really is. That's just the going price for a top QB.

I thought Orton played well as can be expected maybe better. I think the RZ% killed us and I wonder if Romo would have done better. You cannot turn the ball over no matter who you are. A -2 TO diff is a loss 81% of the time. The low RZ% and turnovers lost the game so this one is on the offense. Which isn't unpredictable considering Orton and pressing due to not trusting the defense to hold well enough.

 

[5Stars]

By the way

46 passes

by your backup QB

really smart game plan

even smarter game calling

Why the hell this coaching staff does this just pissed me off! They should have ran the ball more, but no....lest's go pass *** happy...again! smh

 

[SportsGuru80]

Uh, what? Romo had a 3:1 TD:INT ratio, so try again.

Exactly...