Which Commissioner has it worse?
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03EBZ06;1563295 said:
Right now Stern
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While dog fighting is bad, The League can suspend vick perma, and that's out of the way
With the steroid issue, thats been the talk for the last what 3 years? it's almost a none issue, until new evidence comes out
With Stern you're talking about someone getting behind their security and placing bets on games, and then affecting the point spread and even the winners. you're talking about fans looking at those bogus fouls and wondering if he's not the only one. It's a real volatile situation. The only thing that helps stern is that he has some time before preseason, so there won't be any instant danger to the refs and the players. but wait until that first questionable call. Stern is in a huge mess.
While dog fighting is bad, The League can suspend vick perma, and that's out of the way
With the steroid issue, thats been the talk for the last what 3 years? it's almost a none issue, until new evidence comes out
With Stern you're talking about someone getting behind their security and placing bets on games, and then affecting the point spread and even the winners. you're talking about fans looking at those bogus fouls and wondering if he's not the only one. It's a real volatile situation. The only thing that helps stern is that he has some time before preseason, so there won't be any instant danger to the refs and the players. but wait until that first questionable call. Stern is in a huge mess.
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NFL or NBA: Which league has the bigger problem right now?
So I was watching the two big events yesterday — the Michael Vick-related press conferences (Blank and Goodell) and the NBA ref scandal presser with David Stern — and something struck me.
The NFL appears far more prepared to handle controversy than the NBA, or Major League Baseball for that matter.
You could argue that this is one of the darkest weeks in recent sports memory, what with the aforementioned controversies plus the record few want Barry Bonds to break and the shadow of steroid use lurking closely behind.
But I noticed a difference in tenor between the two meetings that begin with the commissioners.
First, the measured but frank responses of Roger Goodell and Arthur Blank both appeared both show that the two men are prepared to do what’s right and what’s most difficult regarding Vick and that both parties are prepared to move on if the worse case scenario strikes.
That’s not to say that the NBA doesn’t want to diffuse the situation — and I would argue that even if the dog fighting is a far more disgusting affair, the gambling threatens to undermine basketball more than the Vick case does with football. But I feel like David Stern is far more secretive with the ref case, and he took as long as he needed to think about wording each answer. Everything is on a need-to-know basis, and that might be being generous.
I just was left with the feeling, following watching yesterday’s damage control sessions, that the NFL will arise from the Vick problem in much better shape than the NBA will with its.
Care to disagree? Which league is up the creek more?
Tags:Barry Bonds David Stern dog fighting gambling Michael Vick NBA NFL pro football Pro Football Weekly Roger Goodell
Posted by Eric Edholm on July 25, 2007 12:45 PM | Permalink | Comments (0)
So I was watching the two big events yesterday — the Michael Vick-related press conferences (Blank and Goodell) and the NBA ref scandal presser with David Stern — and something struck me.
The NFL appears far more prepared to handle controversy than the NBA, or Major League Baseball for that matter.
You could argue that this is one of the darkest weeks in recent sports memory, what with the aforementioned controversies plus the record few want Barry Bonds to break and the shadow of steroid use lurking closely behind.
But I noticed a difference in tenor between the two meetings that begin with the commissioners.
First, the measured but frank responses of Roger Goodell and Arthur Blank both appeared both show that the two men are prepared to do what’s right and what’s most difficult regarding Vick and that both parties are prepared to move on if the worse case scenario strikes.
That’s not to say that the NBA doesn’t want to diffuse the situation — and I would argue that even if the dog fighting is a far more disgusting affair, the gambling threatens to undermine basketball more than the Vick case does with football. But I feel like David Stern is far more secretive with the ref case, and he took as long as he needed to think about wording each answer. Everything is on a need-to-know basis, and that might be being generous.
I just was left with the feeling, following watching yesterday’s damage control sessions, that the NFL will arise from the Vick problem in much better shape than the NBA will with its.
Care to disagree? Which league is up the creek more?
Tags:Barry Bonds David Stern dog fighting gambling Michael Vick NBA NFL pro football Pro Football Weekly Roger Goodell
Posted by Eric Edholm on July 25, 2007 12:45 PM | Permalink | Comments (0)
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WHY IS NO ONE TALKING ABOUT THE GAMBLING?
One thing we've noticed in the eight days since Mike Vick was indicted is that hardly anyone is discussing the fact that Vick is charged with conspiracy not only to engage in interstate dog fighting, but also with conspiracy to maintain an interstate gambling enterprise.
So why is no one talking about the gambling aspect of this?
If Mike Vick gets a rush out of betting $10,000 on one of his dogs to rip someone else's dog to shreds, would he not also get a thrill out of betting $10,000 on himself to beat the 49ers by more than six points?
And would a revelation that Vick's erratic performances over the years, with one "up" week often followed by one "down" week, might be the result of an extension of his gambling habit not be an even bigger threat to the overall image of the league than proof of the stuff Mike might have been doing in his "free" time?
Maybe that's why the NFL and/or the Falcons aren't talking much about the gambling angle. Maybe the league and the team realize that it possibly could have its own Tim Donaghy situation on their hands, and that this one could threaten to reduce the overall credibility of the league to the level of pro wrestling.
We're not saying that Vick bet on (or, God forbid, against) his team, or that he intentionally played poorly one week to drive the line down for the following week. And we hope nothing like that has happened to the sport we love, or ever will.
But we can't help but think that the failure of the league and the Falcons to acknowledge the fact that the charges pending against Vick are as much about gambling as they are about dog fighting makes us wonder whether the powers-that-be aren't secretly soiling their scivvies over the possibility that the in-house investigation will reveal that Vick's gambling habit wasn't confined to the blackjack tables and the dog-fighting pits.
WHY IS NO ONE TALKING ABOUT THE GAMBLING?
One thing we've noticed in the eight days since Mike Vick was indicted is that hardly anyone is discussing the fact that Vick is charged with conspiracy not only to engage in interstate dog fighting, but also with conspiracy to maintain an interstate gambling enterprise.
So why is no one talking about the gambling aspect of this?
If Mike Vick gets a rush out of betting $10,000 on one of his dogs to rip someone else's dog to shreds, would he not also get a thrill out of betting $10,000 on himself to beat the 49ers by more than six points?
And would a revelation that Vick's erratic performances over the years, with one "up" week often followed by one "down" week, might be the result of an extension of his gambling habit not be an even bigger threat to the overall image of the league than proof of the stuff Mike might have been doing in his "free" time?
Maybe that's why the NFL and/or the Falcons aren't talking much about the gambling angle. Maybe the league and the team realize that it possibly could have its own Tim Donaghy situation on their hands, and that this one could threaten to reduce the overall credibility of the league to the level of pro wrestling.
We're not saying that Vick bet on (or, God forbid, against) his team, or that he intentionally played poorly one week to drive the line down for the following week. And we hope nothing like that has happened to the sport we love, or ever will.
But we can't help but think that the failure of the league and the Falcons to acknowledge the fact that the charges pending against Vick are as much about gambling as they are about dog fighting makes us wonder whether the powers-that-be aren't secretly soiling their scivvies over the possibility that the in-house investigation will reveal that Vick's gambling habit wasn't confined to the blackjack tables and the dog-fighting pits.
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No doubt Stern is probably facing the toughest challege but other two comish are facing very tough situation as well:
Selig - The steroid issues isn't about some players, it is about Selig, the owners, and media covering their ears while rampant steroid use during mid 90s to early 2000. There was no streroid policy implemented while rumors of wide use of steroid. The Met's trainer stated that he provide many Met's players and other teams' player with performance enhancing drugs.
Yeah, people blame Bonds, McGwire but the fact is Selig dropped the ball, big time and now it is blowing up before him, heck, NLB should be celebrating Bonds' while he is chasing one of the most recognized and revered record in American sports history but outside of SF, very few are cheering and Selig doesn't want anything to do with Bonds.
It is a sad situation created by no other than Selig.
Goodell - While it may be true that once Vick is removed from the NFL, all the attention may die down, but the problem is, there are lot of NFL players who are involved with dogfighting, if they are identified, it will be get nasty. There is also a gambling issue here that hasn't gotten much of attention because everybody is focused on dogfighting but it is an issue that will get attention soon and this is something Goodell will have to look into and address the fans and media.
Selig - The steroid issues isn't about some players, it is about Selig, the owners, and media covering their ears while rampant steroid use during mid 90s to early 2000. There was no streroid policy implemented while rumors of wide use of steroid. The Met's trainer stated that he provide many Met's players and other teams' player with performance enhancing drugs.
Yeah, people blame Bonds, McGwire but the fact is Selig dropped the ball, big time and now it is blowing up before him, heck, NLB should be celebrating Bonds' while he is chasing one of the most recognized and revered record in American sports history but outside of SF, very few are cheering and Selig doesn't want anything to do with Bonds.
It is a sad situation created by no other than Selig.
Goodell - While it may be true that once Vick is removed from the NFL, all the attention may die down, but the problem is, there are lot of NFL players who are involved with dogfighting, if they are identified, it will be get nasty. There is also a gambling issue here that hasn't gotten much of attention because everybody is focused on dogfighting but it is an issue that will get attention soon and this is something Goodell will have to look into and address the fans and media.
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Stern has the biggest problem. Goodell there is no problem he is taking care of the problems as well as taking out the trash. :laugh2:
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icyhot;1563319 said:
Yeah, well it's Stern's fault if you ask me. The integrity issue started with him and spread like cancer. Stern = Cancer
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nyc;1563898 said:
I agree with you 100%, Stern is the one who originated the star system of officiating to the game. That system is ripe for just this type of scandel, and there is no transparency to how it will be investigated.
About four years ago I wrote on a NBA board as well as wrote the NBA citing that the fact is nobody knows how the stars are selected which will benefit from its two tiered refereeing. And no knows who will benefit when teams are matched against one another.
Any system which favors one player over another is totally open for just this type of situation. Plus I doubt this is really as limited as Stern wants everyone to think, I certainly don't trust him to clean it up. The rules are the rules and should be applied across the board.
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Stern in a landslide. As other's have mentioned, it's a question of integrity for the league. He has no idea how wide spread this will be.
Selig next IMO. He's in a situation where support is split on what the right thing to do is. Half the people believe that he should be cheering Bonds for the HR thing. Half believe he should kick the guy out of the league. It's a long term issue that is not going to go away soon. It will hang over the heads of the league for years. Add to that, it's personal for Selig with Bonds. That's bad.
Goodell is in the best position. He has a tough deal with Vick but he's doing the right thing for the right reasons. He has public support and player support for the bigger picture, which is to clean up the league. Any time your doing the right thing in a bad situation, your going to be celebrated as a stand up guy. History will ultimatly smile on you, IMO. Goodell is doing just that IMO.
Selig next IMO. He's in a situation where support is split on what the right thing to do is. Half the people believe that he should be cheering Bonds for the HR thing. Half believe he should kick the guy out of the league. It's a long term issue that is not going to go away soon. It will hang over the heads of the league for years. Add to that, it's personal for Selig with Bonds. That's bad.
Goodell is in the best position. He has a tough deal with Vick but he's doing the right thing for the right reasons. He has public support and player support for the bigger picture, which is to clean up the league. Any time your doing the right thing in a bad situation, your going to be celebrated as a stand up guy. History will ultimatly smile on you, IMO. Goodell is doing just that IMO.
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bigbadroy;1563818 said:
#1 Stern
#2 Selig
and a distant
#3 Goodell
The NFL is just so strong right now that this Vick thing isn't going to make much of a dent. The NBA and MLB are steadily seeing their ratings drop. I would rather be the commissioner of the league that is doing well and getting better. Notice how the NHL is not even mentioned.
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Stern.
While he was so busy worrying about whether AI wore a doo-rag, his ref(s?) were making book.
Guess he's got his priorities straighter now.
While he was so busy worrying about whether AI wore a doo-rag, his ref(s?) were making book.
Guess he's got his priorities straighter now.
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LaTunaNostra;1564109 said:
Maybe they were betting on what color doo-rag AI was going to wear
