While few realists would admit to it...

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..there is quite a bit of pressure with Wade's hire beyond the usually accepted topics.

Eventhough most would say in the end that BP didn't win here enough and that is why he's really gone..I'd guess that as 'desirable' as the Cowboys HC job might seem on the surface..anybody to follow BP is going to have to live up to and surpass BP's success here.

Both on the field, off the field, with the media, with the owner and with the players and then the fans.

:banghead:

How many of the candidates Jerry Jones interviewed 'really' wanted it..?

BP set a very high bar to have to leap over. Like BP or hate him, he enormously raised the bar for the next coach coming in. So actually, there would seem very little margin for error allowed for the next coach behind BP.

The coach to follow is replacing a winner and a 1st ballot HOF inductee.

Much the way Jimmy Johnson had to replace Landry and then Switzer had to replace Johnson.

And now Phillips replacing Parcells.

As they say in Texas.." that is a mighty tall order, son".

And usually, the coaches to follow have experienced rough sledding initially in their new jobs being subjected to constant comparision to the coach they replaced.

And the comparision wasn't usually pretty.

So my thought here is that as much as we all want to see this team take the next step and improve..the reality is that it may wobble somewhat under this change and I'm wondering if the fans are ready for that..?

:confused:

BP left this team in better shape than he found it. Everybody can agree on that. But he still left some very unfinished business behind when he left.

He left his pet project, the 3-4 defense in a shambles and in disarray.

He finally had to go to Romo out of desparation, but I never got the impression that BP felt Romo was going to be the next Brett Farve.

We did.

But he constantly reeled the player and the team and the media and us back everytime we wanted to make Romo the Savior.

And he was right.

:bow:

Romo may or may not be the QB of our future. And one of the reasons I think BP stepped away from 2007 with Dallas was because BP knew what lay ahead for this team.

That Romo was, is and shall be a very big project with no certainty he's really ready to do any better than Quincy Carter or Vinny Testaverde or Drew Bledsoe in leading this team into the playoffs and winning there.

And if the team took a backwards step in anyway under Romo and they went 6-10 like they did in 2004 after a playoff appearance the year before or 8-8 or even 9-7 again..

..he would be leaving then after 5 years of not winning the big games for Dallas he was brought here to do.

This would and could hurt how BP is viewed down the road.

His legacy.

Which is more important to him at this point in his life than whether Dallas finally makes it or not back to being a winner.

BP took the job because he saw it as his last chance to build a better legacy for himself that would exceed Bill Bellick and his 3 SB wins. When BP took the job in Dallas, the comparisions were rampant that he was being outdone by one of his former assistants.

BP wasn't coming here because he loved the Dallas Cowboys or Jerry Jones. It was the money Jones was willing to pay and the opportunity for BP to seal his legacy as perhaps the greatest coach of all time.

So in leaving now, what BP has done is leave with the fumbled snap in Seattle as the puncuation on his tenure in Dallas and leaving the impression that he has done all he can to get this team to win, but that there is just something missing.

Something beyond his control to find. Not his fault. But he did get us back to the playoffs and that helps his legacy and I think BP clearly thought that was as much as he could squeeze out of Jones and Dallas.

Therefore, he left.

While also turning it over to the next HC selected, that if he suceeds, the word will go out that Phillips won with 'Parcell's Team' really and Parcells will receive credit for it, eventhough he didn't remain to see it through.

Completing Parcells' job for him here in Dallas.

And if the team loses under Phillips, then it will be said that Phillips squandered the team Parcell's built and Parcells was the better coach and Parcells will go off to his HOF induction clean as a whistle no matter what over his record and job results in Dallas.

I think any coach who is aware of this, and certainly Phillips is clearly aware of it, who would take the job knowing the shoes he must fill and the role he must play in 2007 in taking over this team..

..has to be commended regardless of the outcome next season.

:clap2:

Phillips enters 2007 on the hotseast and in virtually a 'no-win' situation unless he goes deep in the playoffs and the Cowboys make their run in his first year. And even then, he won't receive all the credit if he does what BP was unable to do in a full 4+ years.

To me, when Jerry Jones was asked why he selected Phillips and Jones said " because he wanted it so badly.."

..tells me alot about Phillip's character and his confidence in himself and that given that the odds of succeeding maynot outweigh the odds of failing given that Phillips won't receive full credit for winning..

..you have to admire that and hope the weight of all this doesn't undo him eventually.

The press is going to pound on this the whole time Phillips is here and if things don't go well, Jones will be forced to undo this hire quickly.

And the whole time..BP will be counting the days until his induction in Ohio.

We'll see.

Welcome, Wade.

Thanks for taking a shot at this.

I think you are going to need all the help you can get.

I wonder if Charley Waters would quit selling knee replacement surguries and would come coach the secondary if Phillips asked him too..?

Hmmm..

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All Philips has to do is win a playoff game and MANY on here will forget all about Bill and his legacy in Dallas :laugh2:



But seriously.... just about any success we have in future will be attributed in large part to Parcell's... this is his team... he put it together....

I just want Wade(no more than an a hired gun at this point) to get us to the playoffs and SB...
 

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I think most realists would admit it.

Its a huge challenge for Phillips, he steps in and the Cowboys win the SB next year, than he is simply taking Parcells playoff team to the next level.

Lot of pressure to take over a spot for a potential HOF coach. I think most would agree.

Romo ? Well, we wont know until week 5 if he really has grown, regressed, or is simply hype.
 

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Excellent post. Lots of moving parts right now for this team. Parcells' departure....Wade Phillips.......Romo........TO.....the OL and more. Jerry may be more desperate than he has even been for a winner, and every head coach out there was a crap shoot for an owner that wants to win right now. Phillips represents Jerry's best shot at getting that guy.

While the defense should get better, it may be that Tony Romo's play will decide the future of the franchise. Regardless of the Pro Bowl appearance, the jury is still very much out on whether he will continue to progress or not. Interesting times for the Cowboys....but not comfortable times.
 

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Make no mistake about it, Wade has to win this year and win impressively. I think he is going to feel the urgency.

Allow me to make a bold prediction. All of the Pre-season football magazines and shows are going to have the Cowboys as one of the favorites to go to the Super Bowl. The Dallas media is going to ramp up those expectations. So will message boards like this one.

The pressure will get tighter with every loss and the expectations higher with every win.

This is what he wanted...well, here it is.
 

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Wade comes to a team where they are expected to win next season. The talent level on the team is such that we are not talking rebuilding we are talking playoffs and beyond. Myself I think timing is everything in life and feel Wade is the right man at the right time for this team and look forward to seeing what happens next season
 

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I'm sure Wade is very aware of the pressure cooker he's stepped in here in Dallas. After all folks he's been around the block a few times. One must give him credit for having the intestinal fortitude to put himself in this situation.

Too follow Bill Parcells.......OH MY Gawd!!!!! That's bad enough!!!

I mean all he has to do is win 10-11 games during the regular season, get into the playoffs, win a PO game or two and he's in like Flint. Until the 08 season that is...then it's SB or Bust......:D

You can do it Wade baby .... you can dooooooo ittttttt.
 

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I think there is a lot of faith is assuming the new coach will only succeed on the merits of the old coach. I frankly don't think Bill Parcells would have succeeded regardless of how long he might have stayed. I believe Parcells was worn out, his heart wasn't in it, and yes, there is a lot of work to do to get this team over the top.

I don't think Phillips is going to get the 2007 team to the winners circle in the Super Bowl. He may come close, and if he does, it will be closer than Bill was able to do. You can hem and haw all off-season long about what might have been with Parcells, but I think the player's remarks about Bill's departure are telling. Sure, you can expect the players to welcome a new coach, they would be stupid not to given the new coach's control over their future, but at the same time, even with the uncertainty with the position coaches and schemes they will be asked to learn, they are still excited about the future because they know the old way was not working, and Bill's inability to adjust, and his authoritarian ways weren't getting the job done.

People didn't give Gruden credit for Tampa Bay's Super Bowl win, saying it was Dungy's team. Dungy couldn't get the team to the Super bowl, but it was still his team. When the team was aging in the process, it was still Dungy's team, and only when the aging parts began to fail, did it become Gruden's team. Go to Indianapolis. Dungy inherited Peyton Manning, plus the surrounding high powered offense, and it still took him several years to get to the Super Bowl.

Phillips may not be successful as to the Super Bowl, but, I have no doubts the defense will be better, and if the offense can improve, the Cowboys are going to be winners at least right up to the end. I believe that is what Phillips was hired to do, fix the defense, because the offense, with Tony Romo, will be good enough to win a lot of ball games.
 

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I'll agree with much of what you said re Phillips being on the hot seat to produce this year. I'm certain he knows he's expected to produce in his first year cause with a 9-7 record we aren't in the rebuilding phase. He got the job for a variety of reasons including being a 3-4 defensive guru whose much needed to get our defense back on track and step it up to a SB level. Our offense was one of the best scoring in the NFL but has OL problems which hurt us against the better defensive teams, etc. Garrett/Sporano should be able to develop Romo so he takes more care of the ball but also starts faster in a game instead of later.

If our team isn't better then 9-7 this year or fails to make the playoffs (barring major injuries), we are all going to be unhappy but I don't think Jerry gets rid of him after for one just for that. I do think he really understands how to put players in position to play their best and I'm not so sure Parcells was that flexible although in a few cases he did move a few players around. If our defense can somehow (better use of current players or a few defensive players added in draft/FA) get better pressure on the QB and give up less points (particularly in crucial situations) we can win at least 2 maybe even 3 more games. All this contingent on Romo's play but I think he's play partly deteriorated in last few games cause other teams were coming in the middle against him and limiting his mobility in the pocket. Also think he lost some confidence in his defense and felt pressure to score on every drive which lead to more errant passes.

Anyway if Phillips does well and we go at least 10-6 and make the playoffs where we win at least 1 game, the monkey will be off our back. While Parcells will get much of the credit cause so many of these players are guys he brought here/drafted, it will also cause others to note Parcells couldn't get the job done while Phillips could.

This will be real interesting season and admitt I'm excited to see what happens to our defense and how well guys like Ware, Carpenter, Ayodele, Hatcher, Burnett, Canty, Spears, Ferguson, Ellis, Ratliff get their job done so that our secondary (Roy Williams, etc.) can wreak havoc on our opponents.

Of course should Phillips and combo of Garrett/Soprano prove the so called pundits wrong and the Cowboys really put it together this year, can you imagine the fallout. Ha.
 

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Redball Express;1374205 said:
..there is quite a bit of pressure with Wade's hire beyond the usually accepted topics.

.........lots of stuff removed

Hmmm..

RedBall Express

as i scrolled down and didn't read anything, i kept looking for the bottom of this post. as it went on and on and on and on and on, i wondered if it would end with "we'll see". but i knew it had to be a quigs post. : )
 

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Redball Express;1374205 said:
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...The coach to follow is replacing a winner and a 1st ballot HOF inductee...


RedBall Express

Can't happen. Parcells has already been on the ballot twice, in 2000 and again in 2001. He didn't make it then. So the absolute best he can do is make it on his third ballot.
 

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iceberg;1374253 said:
as i scrolled down and didn't read anything, i kept looking for the bottom of this post. as it went on and on and on and on and on, i wondered if it would end with "we'll see". but i knew it had to be a quigs post. : )

I've done the same thing with your 6,000+ posts of nothin'..too.

Hope that's short enough for you to retain.

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I had not thought that BP had been up for the HOF yet. Is it a 5 year thing for coaches as well or not?
 

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BP did make the mediots look like the fools most of them are- so I would say he had success with the media.
 

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burmafrd;1374489 said:
I had not thought that BP had been up for the HOF yet. Is it a 5 year thing for coaches as well or not?

Yeah, five years after retirement.
 

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Redball Express;1374470 said:
I've done the same thing with your 6,000+ posts of nothin'..too.

Hope that's short enough for you to retain.

RedBall Express

well at least i don't "bore and peace" people to death - i get to the point. : )
 

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I get so tired of reading that Gruden won with Dungy's team so give Dungy the credit, ... or Switzer won with Jimmy's team so don't give Switzer any credit.

That is ridiculous !

Having good or great players is no guarantee of winning anything.(just ask the Commanders after they load up with FA's every year)

If Gruden or Switzer was the coach from July - Feb, then that is their team and they are the winning coach.

Especially in Switzers case when it was two years removed from Jimmy's team.

If you have ever coached then you know what I mean. Nobody can just go out there and just stand around and win because some other coach did good the year before.

If WP has success, then it is his coaching and nothing else.

Especially if he wins more than 9 games or wins a playoff game, something that Parcells could not do lately.

If he loses, is that on Parcells too, since it was with his guys ?

Coaches have such an impact on everything that goes on from July through Feb that it is crazy to say that the credit should go to the previous coach.
 

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WV Cowboy;1374550 said:
I get so tired of reading that Gruden won with Dungy's team so give Dungy the credit, ... or Switzer won with Jimmy's team so don't give Switzer any credit.

That is ridiculous !

Having good or great players is no guarantee of winning anything.(just ask the Commanders after they load up with FA's every year)

If Gruden or Switzer was the coach from July - Feb, then that is their team and they are the winning coach.

Especially in Switzers case when it was two years removed from Jimmy's team.

If you have ever coached then you know what I mean. Nobody can just go out there and just stand around and win because some other coach did good the year before.

If WP has success, then it is his coaching and nothing else.

Especially if he wins more than 9 games or wins a playoff game, something that Parcells could not do lately.

If he loses, is that on Parcells too, since it was with his guys ?

Coaches have such an impact on everything that goes on from July through Feb that it is crazy to say that the credit should go to the previous coach.

I agree with you. Switzer took the team to the SB regardless of who brought in most of the talent. Barry was responsible win or lose and we all know he took the blame when Dallas did not go to the SB his 1st year so he should get credit when he did get them there. I say this as one who was never a big fan of Switzer, don’t get me wrong I did not hate him but I did not like the lack of discipline he showed as a HC at OU or when he was at Dallas.
 

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Doomsday101;1374553 said:
I agree with you. Switzer took the team to the SB regardless of who brought in most of the talent. Barry was responsible win or lose and we all know he took the blame when Dallas did not go to the SB his 1st year so he should get credit when he did get them there. I say this as one who was never a big fan of Switzer, don’t get me wrong I did not hate him but I did not like the lack of discipline he showed as a HC at OU or when he was at Dallas.

uh oh - is this 3 positive switzer posts in a row? record time?

switzer was told he'd be a fool to change much of anything - so he didn't. then he was a fool for "standing pat in the ever changing game". in the end he still won a superbowl and that can't be luck. he also got nailed for "disicpline problems" - but when was the white house around? when did eric williams have his wreck? when did irvin start his habits?

i don't think switzer helped the behavior issues but they were not all at his feet either.
 
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