While Philly signs a veteran tackle

[erod]

Really?

When the last time Beatty gave up 5 sacks in a single game and got benched?

Inquiring minds want to know.

Beatty was a weekly disaster in New York. Terrible performance with injury issues.

Chaz Green played very well in place of Tyron last year. He was horrific on Sunday. But Beatty hasn't played good football in years, if ever.

 

[Stash]

Nah bro, It's a postseason bet. Who knows what's going to happen with the WC.

OK. But that doesn't show much faith if you're not even banking on them getting there.

But I'll take those terms, sure.

At least you put something behind what you're saying. Kudos for that.

 

[Stash]

Beatty was a weekly disaster in New York. Terrible performance with injury issues.

Chaz Green played very well in place of Tyron last year. He was horrific on Sunday. But Beatty hasn't played good football in years, if ever.

But Beatty hasn't ever been "horrific" then, has he?

Never giving up 5 sacks in a single game before being benched, right?

Just so we're accurate on facts.

 

[erod]

But Beatty hasn't ever been "horrific" then, has he?

Never giving up 5 sacks in a single game before being benched, right?

Just so we're accurate on facts.

He got let go last year and couldn't get a job until now. Yes, he's been that horrific.

Green gave up five sacks because the stupid coaching staff refused to park Blake Jarwin over there and chip with a running back.

If the Giants did that, he would have given up 5 sacks in a game, yes.

 

[mcmvp]

He got let go last year and couldn't get a job until now. Yes, he's been that horrific.

Green gave up five sacks because the stupid coaching staff refused to park Blake Jarwin over there and chip with a running back.

If the Giants did that, he would have given up 5 sacks in a game, yes.

Not sure why there is so much talk about Beatty...it was a simple move for emergency depth. Nothing more.

 

[Stash]

He got let go last year and couldn't get a job until now. Yes, he's been that horrific.

Let me know when any of these things are said of Chaz Green,

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Will_Beatty

then you can talk about him being "a million times better than Will Beatty". Not before.

Green gave up five sacks because the stupid coaching staff refused to park Blake Jarwin over there and chip with a running back.

If the Giants did that, he would have given up 5 sacks in a game, yes.

So, Beatty never has then?

Thought so.

Just stop with the nonsense.

 

[Stash]

Not sure why there is so much talk about Beatty...it was a simple move for emergency depth. Nothing more.

Have you seen tape of Chaz Green from the Falcons game? If not, you should treat yourself. And then, when you're done licking your chops, come back to this thread.

You signed a backup to a backup for depth that is significantly better than what Dallas may be forced to start against your pass rush on Sunday Night.

Rejoice.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

If we would have signed Beatty this week.
Some would be arguing that we at least are trying to change some things up.
Some would probably complain that he is just a scrub that nobody wanted for a year or so.

Interesting part would be who would say what and if would contradict what they are basically saying now about it being a good move for the Eagles. Would those same people say it was a good move for the Cowboys?

Who knows..it's a what if.

 

[Denim Chicken]

OK. But that doesn't show much faith if you're not even banking on them getting there

That bc it's possible we could win out and still lose the WC--can't control what other NFC teams do. Also, I'm counting on having Zeke and Lee back for the postseason.

 

[Stash]

If we would have signed Beatty this week.
Some would be arguing that we at least are trying to change some things up.
Some would probably complain that he is just a scrub that nobody wanted for a year or so.

Interesting part would be who would say what and if would contradict what they are basically saying now about it being a good move for the Eagles. Would those same people say it was a good move for the Cowboys?

Who knows..it's a what if.

If nothing else, I'd applaud them for trying.

Part of me feels like these were moves made by the Eagles for two reasons. One, to improve their own depth for the stretch run, and two to make sure that an opponent like Dallas couldn't sign them.

I think you'd be hard-pressed to find two positions on this team that are playing worse right now than Chaz Green at left tackle and Jaylon Smith at linebacker.

If nothing else, they tried to improve their depth at 8-1 while the Cowboys sat on their hands at 5-4.

 

[Stash]

That bc it's possible we could win out and still lose the WC--can't control what other NFC teams do. Also, I'm counting on having Zeke and Lee back for the postseason.

OK. We'll go with the terms as stated. If Dallas doesn't make the playoffs, all bets are off.

 

[mcmvp]

Have you seen tape of Chaz Green from the Falcons game? If not, you should treat yourself. And then, when you're done licking your chops, come back to this thread.

You signed a backup to a backup for depth that is significantly better than what Dallas may be forced to start against your pass rush on Sunday Night.

Rejoice.

I hear you, but that game vs the Falcons was the perfect storm. Calyborn had his perfect game, and the Cowboys coaches did not help him nearly enough. I would say that game was probably an anomaly. I certainly suspect that Chaz Green can perform better than he did that game.

Is Beatty better than Chaz Green now? I doubt it. He may be more experienced, but I would wager Green has the far higher ceiling at this point. There is a reason Beatty was available in week 10. Of course I hope he never sees the field. Like I said....emergency depth.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

If nothing else, I'd applaud them for trying.

Part of me feels like these were moves made by the Eagles for two reasons. One, to improve their own depth for the stretch run, and two to make sure that an opponent like Dallas couldn't sign them.

I think you'd be hard-pressed to find two positions on this team that are playing worse right now than Chaz Green at left tackle and Jaylon Smith at linebacker.

If nothing else, they tried to improve their depth at 8-1 while the Cowboys sat on their hands at 5-4.

And I have seen Dallas sign a number of DTs to help try to improve the Line during the season.

I would imagine they figure that Bell and Green are better than any OT they could get off the street this late in the year and would only sign another OT off the street if one of them were injured or Collins got injured leaving us two OTs down.

As far as LBs...they have signed some LBs this year, but it seems like they wind up on the practice squad or are not active for games.

I mean we can pretend that dallas has not signed anyone this season...or we can say...hey...at least they are trying even if it is not trying in the manner that we may personally wish they were trying.

Meh..this time of year I doubt we will get any decent street FAs...we might get lucky and get someone off another teams practice squad like we did with Irving.

Best chance to have gotten a quality backup OT to fill in for a few games would have been back when we could have traded for someone. But that was before we had to have Green play and watch him be a turnstile for a game. But to be fair ...with Smith's on going back problems for the last year or so...we should have done so anyway.

 

[Stash]

I hear you, but that game vs the Falcons was the perfect storm. Calyborn had his perfect game, and the Cowboys coaches did not help him nearly enough. I would say that game was probably an anomaly. I certainly suspect that Chaz Green can perform better than he did that game.

Ask yourself this? Do you like your pass rushers more or less than Clayborn? If he can do that, what might your guys do?

Is Beatty better than Chaz Green now? I doubt it. He may be more experienced, but I would wager Green has the far higher ceiling at this point. There is a reason Beatty was available in week 10. Of course I hope he never sees the field. Like I said....emergency depth.

Green is in his third year in this league. And that's the performance he's giving. When do you realize what his "ceiling" truly is?

If Chaz Green were cut at this point, he'd be in the same position as Nolan Carroll is, or where Kellen Moore would be. Out of the league.

Beatty may not be great, but unlike Green, he's actually shown he can play a couple of times. And again, let me know when he's given up 5 sacks in a single game before getting the hook. Then we can start making comparisons.

 

[Stash]

And I have seen Dallas sign a number of DTs to help try to improve the Line during the season.

Before he was injured, I thought Brian Price was looking like another nice find for them, especially after busting on Thornton and Paea.

I would imagine they figure that Bell and Green are better than any OT they could get off the street this late in the year and would only sign another OT off the street if one of them were injured or Collins got injured leaving us two OTs down.

I don't know what they're looking at then. Would you agree with that decision?

As far as LBs...they have signed some LBs this year, but it seems like they wind up on the practice squad or are not active for games.

No actual help then. While Jaylon Smith looks like a dog chasing cars.

I mean we can pretend that dallas has not signed anyone this season...or we can say...hey...at least they are trying even if it is not trying in the manner that we may personally wish they were trying.

Or we can "pretend" that they have. Trading for Bene Benwikere to not play or signing March-Lillard not to either.

Meh..this time of year I doubt we will get any decent street FAs...we might get lucky and get someone off another teams practice squad like we did with Irving.

And from my perspective, I just watched the Eagles sign two for depth purposes who just might both be better than two guys who may be starting for us on Sunday night.

Best chance to have gotten a quality backup OT to fill in for a few games would have been back when we could have traded for someone. But that was before we had to have Green play and watch him be a turnstile for a game. But to be fair ...with Smith's on going back problems for the last year or so...we should have done so anyway.

Agreed. More crossing of fingers than actual planning.

 

[mcmvp]

Ask yourself this? Do you like your pass rushers more or less than Clayborn? If he can do that, what might your guys do?

Green is in his third year in this league. And that's the performance he's giving. When do you realize what his "ceiling" truly is?

If Chaz Green were cut at this point, he'd be in the same position as Nolan Carroll is, or where Kellen Moore would be. Out of the league.

Beatty may not be great, but unlike Green, he's actually shown he can play a couple of times. And again, let me know when he's given up 5 sacks in a single game before getting the hook. Then we can start making comparisons.

Of course...but I also think Dallas will come in with a more mass-protect scheme on Sunday. If they don't, the coaches should be fired.

As for Chaz, I'm only guessing that his ceiling is higher, but I think it is a logical guess. It's easy to get too caught up in one dreadful performance. He could bounce back well, or it could be in his head now...only time will tell.

Yes Beatty has the better resume...but he wasn't on a roster until yesterday. It's not just the Cowboys that didn't get him...30 other teams have also passed on him.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Before he was injured, I thought Brian Price was looking like another nice find for them, especially after busting on Thornton and Paea.



I don't know what they're looking at then. Would you agree with that decision?



No actual help then. While Jaylon Smith looks like a dog chasing cars.



Or we can "pretend" that they have. Trading for Bene Benwikere to not play or signing March-Lillard not to either.



And from my perspective, I just watched the Eagles sign two for depth purposes who just might both be better than two guys who may be starting for us on Sunday night.



Agreed. More crossing of fingers than actual planning.

You are doing it for the eagles because the grass is always greener on the other side.

I can not comment on the LB they signed as I just don't know enough about him.
However I in no way would consider the OT they signed as an upgrade over Green.

They are making moves they feel will help them or better their team.
The Cowboys do the same.

We may not agree if one is better than the other, but they are both doing it.

And as bad as Jaylon is playing, when he should not be playing at all as he is not 100% yet....he STILL has more combined tackles than any defensive player on the Philadelphia Eagles right now. And he has more tackle for loss yardage than any Philly LB right now.

Again...nowhere is that saying he is great...but he is doing better in two categories than any Philly LB.

 

[Stash]

Of course...but I also think Dallas will come in with a more mass-protect scheme on Sunday. If they don't, the coaches should be fired.

You had me at "the coaches should be fired". I honestly think that they go with Byron Bell because they don't have any better ideas.

As for Chaz, I'm only guessing that his ceiling is higher, but I think it is a logical guess. It's easy to get too caught up in one dreadful performance. He could bounce back well, or it could be in his head now...only time will tell.

He's had exactly three performances at the position, in three years in the league. Otherwise, he's been hurt.

Two last year against the Bears and Niners, he did a decent enough job to where you didn't see a huge dropoff. And now this last Sunday. That's the sample size after three years.

Yes Beatty has the better resume...but he wasn't on a roster until yesterday. It's not just the Cowboys that didn't get him...30 other teams have also passed on him.

They all passed on Jonathan Cooper too until Dallas rescued him off of the scrap heap. That's looking pretty good right now too.

Again, we're comparing Beatty to Chaz Green here. The limbo bar of expectations is incredibly low.

 

[Stash]

You are doing it for the eagles because the grass is always greener on the other side.

8-1, best record in the league, and a 2nd year quarterback leading the league in touchdown passes will do that.[/quote]

That has nothing to do with them getting players off the street this time of the year vs us getting players off the street this time of year.

I can not comment on the LB they signed as I just don't know enough about him.
However I in no way would consider the OT they signed as an upgrade over Green.

Here's more information, give it a read:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Will_Beatty

Beatty is not great, but never have any of these things been said about Chaz Green.[/quote]

Beatty was let go from a team that has had trouble their oline for years. Chaz has had three chances to start (when he is actually healthy enough to start). In those three starts he has done ok twice and abysmal once. I would give him another chance...if it continues, he can go.

So both teams have the ability to make transactions, that's what you're saying? OK.

Yes...both teams have made transactions this year. You just happen to think the eagles are good to great or something...I don't. Not a big deal, just a difference of opinion.

He's also doing much better at getting lost and giving up big plays, unless you want to make a case that that is not happening.

I said he should not be playing due to injuries.

However since he is as bad as you say he is...Why is he doing better than all of the Philly LB corp in yards for loss tackles and he has more than ANY philly player (not just LB...any position) in Combined tackles.

Maybe he is bad and maybe he is struggling...But I would say he is doing a little better than some are willing to admit and he is doing better in some categories than any LB on the philly team. Maybe they are correct in replacing a LB...maybe if they had a shot they would like to have Jaylon on their team lol

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

8-1, best record in the league, and a 2nd year quarterback leading the league in touchdown passes will do that.

I royally screwed this up.
Thought I hit reply but apparently I hit edit and screwed your post up to holy heck.

Sorry about that. It is my mistake and I own it.

Tried to go browser back to get your original post and paste it on but it was too late.

Sorry again.