Who here still thinks that Phillips should be here?

[InDakWeTrust]

Seriously guys, why all the man love for Rivera? Phillips should come to Dallas IMO. There is a reason why the guy calls up Ed Werder asking for a update. The man wants to be in Dallas. Plus look how quickly he turned around the San Diego Defense. That is a team that didnt have an identity on D until Phillips came to town. That team didnt have the players like Merriman, Shaun Phillips, Edwards and the DE's Olshansky and the other guy Castillo. He has turned what seemed like a stiff, roided up LB into what we think is an overrated pass rusher. The thing is, their Defense is loaded.

Phillips made that defense succeed with players who probably wouldnt start on our team (save Williams, Castillo, Merriman and McCree) and a much worse secondary. We would like to have that attacking defense that the Steelers had last year or the Chargers had this year, but BP and Zimmer didnt allow that to happen. Our team has been built for the attacking scheme Phillips uses, with mixing up of blitzes, moving around pass rushers and inside linebackers and has gone all the way to actually not leaving their horrible cover safety Terrence Kiel in coverage all the time. His defenses attack and find holes in the opposing teams blocking schemes and hand it to them and make them pay, something our team hasnt done since the 90's.

IDC if Phillips is brought here under coordinator or Head Coach title, as long as he has a hand in on our defense, I will be estatic to attend our first game of next year as soon as we find out who we're playing and when.

I could care less as long as Phillips shows up here next Monday for the announcement, just make sure he is signed.
The 4-3 sucks!

 

[Alexander]

Phillips' main bargaining chip was that he claimed he could bring more assistants with him.

With Manusky ending up in San Francisco, that's one less blue chip he has.

If Turner can deliver someone like Rivera, he wins.

 

[JackMagist]

I'm not a big fan of the idea of Phillips as HC. I'd take him as a DC without hesitation with the personnel we have in place...but as HC...Not So Much.

Of course I don't think that he would come here for anything less than the HC job...so I guess I just don't want him.

 

[Alexander]

I'm not a big fan of the idea of Phillips as HC. I'd take him as a DC without hesitation with the personnel we have in place...but as HC...Not So Much.

That sounds like the story of each head coaching candidate we have.

 

[gazmc_06]

i don't really mind who takes over in terms of the names we are all hearing, i think whoever come in is inheriting a very good team with a lot of potential. we have a great receiving core, a young QB who will improve all we really need is someone to tighten up our defence.

 

[Future]

That sounds like the story of each head coaching candidate we have.

unfortunately thats right

 

[theogt]

Honestly, I'm not that excited about Ron Rivera as either HC or DC. His success in Chicago is questionable and even if he get's the credit, I do not want that style of defense in Dallas. The Dallas roster is far from ideal for a Tampa-2 defense. What that means is that Rivera will be required to either (1) run a defense in which the personel do not fit, or (2) implement a new defense (for him) that he has no record of success with. I just don't see what's to get excited about.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I want Phillips. He makes by far the most sense, unless you want to roll the dice a little with someone like Singletary.

 

[Alexander]

Honestly, I'm not that excited about Ron Rivera as either HC or DC. His success if Chicago is questionable and even if he get's the credit, I do not want that style of defense in Dallas. The Dallas roster is far from ideal for a Tampa-2 defense. What that means is that Rivera will be required to implement a defense that he has no record of success with. I just don't see what's to get excited about.

I would agree with you, but he's not married to the Tampa scheme.

He's just as much of a proponent of the Jimmie Johnson-style from Philadelphia or even the Ryan 46 which he played in.

 

[InDakWeTrust]

But this is a team built for the 3-4, and to just throw a player like Ware, Spears and Carpenter like that away to new positions and a new huge learning curve?

I really think that Phillips is still the man despite our recent interest in Rivera, Turner and Singletary mainly because of Phillips attitude towards defense and defensive schemes.

 

[theogt]

I would agree with you, but he's not married to the Tampa scheme.

He's just as much of a proponent of the Jimmie Johnson-style from Philadelphia or even the Ryan 46 which he played in.

Right. But he has no record of success running those schemes.

Can he do it? Probably. Am I excited about his chances for success? Not really.

 

[Alexander]

I want Phillips. He makes by far the most sense, unless you want to roll the dice a little with someone like Singletary.

I was with you, but that was before Manusky getting hired by the 49ers.

That was the one thing Phillips had that Turner did not readily have (or at least was not clear to us). Now that Manusky is out, it is less likely he could pull the other remaining assistant (Nunnelly), who will probably be next in line to take over the defense on Schottenheimer's staff.

And now it appears Turner can offer a better staff (especially if Rivera is indeed part of it), which in a battle of two rather tepid candidates, is the deciding factor. And should be.

 

[Alexander]

Right. But he has no record of success running those schemes.

He doesn't but neither does anyone else.

He has about as successful a track record working as a linebacker coach (with the Eagles) as Singletary does. He at least was partially responsible for taking a raw player like Jeremiah Trotter and molding him into a very effective middle linebacker.

Overall, it seems he has the better resume.

 

[theogt]

He doesn't but neither does anyone else.

He has about as successful a track record working as a linebacker coach (with the Eagles) as Singletary does. He at least was partially responsible for taking a raw player like Jeremiah Trotter and molding him into a very effective middle linebacker.

Overall, it seems he has the better resume.

Well, I'm not excited about Singletary either. In fact, I'd rather he not come at all as a DC. I was excited, however, about the defense being unleashed under Phillips and Manusky.

 

[gazmc_06]

i think that is the only thing we really need to really work on, if the defence improves then we should be more than a good team. we have some great pieces and all we need is a coach that knows how to put them all together.

 

[superpunk]

Honestly, I'm not that excited about Ron Rivera as either HC or DC. His success in Chicago is questionable and even if he get's the credit, I do not want that style of defense in Dallas. The Dallas roster is far from ideal for a Tampa-2 defense. What that means is that Rivera will be required to either (1) run a defense in which the personel do not fit, or (2) implement a new defense (for him) that he has no record of success with. I just don't see what's to get excited about.

With the tampa 2, I agree. If Zimmer had the horses Rivera is coaching, people would be talking about his defense like they are Rivera's. We don't have the players. We fit into a Philly mold pretty nicely, IMO - but like you said, no track record.

If anything, Rivera seems like he would be a decent head coach, someone who is at least hungry and REALLY wants the job, maybe he could nab someone off Philly's staff. I don't know anymore. Phillips made the most sense to me, but only because of his defense. It's not like I want him to really be a HC.

Matter of fact let's bail on the whole HC idea, and just have Rowdy kick out the jams before every game. The press conferences would be awesome. He could shoot Galloway in the face with that T-Shirt gun.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

ABN, that's all I'm asking for

 

[Cochese]

ABN, that's all I'm asking for

ray2:ray2:

 

[theogt]

With the tampa 2, I agree. If Zimmer had the horses Rivera is coaching, people would be talking about his defense like they are Rivera's. We don't have the players. We fit into a Philly mold pretty nicely, IMO - but like you said, no track record.

If anything, Rivera seems like he would be a decent head coach, someone who is at least hungry and REALLY wants the job, maybe he could nab someone off Philly's staff. I don't know anymore. Phillips made the most sense to me, but only because of his defense. It's not like I want him to really be a HC.

Matter of fact let's bail on the whole HC idea, and just have Rowdy kick out the jams before every game. The press conferences would be awesome. He could shoot Galloway in the face with that T-Shirt gun.

I'm to the point where I say screw it all and let Garrett be the HC, Sparano run the offense, and just see what Bowles can do with the defense. Who knows, we may have the best defensive mind right under our nose.

 

[superpunk]

I'm to the point where I say screw it all and let Garrett be the HC, Sparano run the offense, and just see what Bowles can do with the defense. Who knows, we may have the best defensive mind right under our nose.

I'm there with you. No matter who it is, it feels like it's going to be a letdown. So why not just roll with what you got? If it sucks, at least you got Fisher and Cowher on the horizon.