Who is the best coach of all time? (excl; Landry and Lombardi)

[TNCowboy]

As great as I think Landry was, setting a model for consistency that may never be achieved again, his teams often underachieved. He had the benefit of several HOFers (and few who should be but haven't been voted in), but only won 2 championships.

It would be hard to argue against Lombardi, though you excluded him. Bill Walsh should get consideration. So should Chuck Noll. So should Don Shula, Curly Lambeau, Paul Brown, etc. He rarely gets the credit he deserves, but John Madden was a fantastic football coach. He had the misfortune of having a great team at a time when the Steelers were just a little better.

I'll go with Parcells of those I've seen as an adult. He repeatedly resurrected franchises (including our own), and won 2 SBs without a real franchise QB.

Another unpopular - yet undeniable - consideration if you stick with the last 25 years or so is Joe Gibbs. Hard to deny a guy who wins 3 SBs without benefit of an elite QB.

If Jimmy had stayed around a little longer, I might say him. He won 2 SBs in 5 years, and brought the NFL's most dominating division to its knees. Shame he and Jerry couldn't coexist long enough to see just how special those teams could've become. I think they would've set marks - like 5 SBs in a decade - that might never be touched.

 

[TNCowboy]

The 5 best Coaches I have ever seen in no particular order are...Tom Landry, Vince Lombardi, Don Shula, Bill Belichick, and Bill Walsh.

I neglected to mention Belichick, because for many, there's a taint on him from the whole cheating/taping scandal.

I heard Dilfer on Cowherd's show one day, and they said that amongst most people they talk to, it's common knowledge that most insiders think Belichick is easily the best game day coach in the league.

 

[Hostile]

I neglected to mention Belichick, because for many, there's a taint on him from the whole cheating/taping scandal.

I heard Dilfer on Cowherd's show one day, and they said that amongst most people they talk to, it's common knowledge that most insiders think Belichick is easily the best game day coach in the league.

I think the taping thing is overplayed on how much it benefited the Patriots if at all.

 

[Doomsday101]

I think the taping thing is overplayed on how much it benefited the Patriots if at all.

I agree with you on that.

 

[JustDezIt]

I think the taping thing is overplayed on how much it benefited the Patriots if at all.

True, but i still enjoy calling them cheaters. Thanks to a transplanted Bostonian i will have hatred for that team for a long, long time.

 

[Stash]

I meant two, I was thinking three in my mind because of the fact we won 3 in the 90s, although he built the team that won the 3rd.

I think you were accurate.

Jimmy had more to do with that 3rd Super Bowl than Barry Switzer ever did.

 

[Cover 2]

Hes not a bad coach. No place for him in this discussion though, although he is one of my favorite coaches of all time.

I want to throw Jimmie Johnson into the discussion 3 super bowl wins gets him mention.

Two Super Bowls.

 

[theebs]

Impossible question to answer.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

I guess they don't teach 'rithmatic in high schools anymore.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

I know this will be unpopular, but I'm going to have to go with Dave Campo.

 

[Cowboy Brian]

I think you were accurate.

Jimmy had more to do with that 3rd Super Bowl than Barry Switzer ever did.

thank you.

 

[burmafrd]

The cheating thing is certainly a taint- and I doubt we will know for many years if ever just how much of an impact it actually had.

In the History of the NFL, you really have to go with Halas, Brown, Lombardi, Landry, Shula. Just behind them Walsh, Gilman, and some others.

 

[pancakeman]

I know this will be unpopular, but I'm going to have to go with Dave Campo.

:nono2:

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

:nono2:

:shoot6:

 

[utrunner07]

uh...chuck knoll anyone?

 

[bbgun]

uh...chuck knoll anyone?

Or even Chuck Noll.

 

[KJJ]

Well since 99% of us here will say Tom Landry, and we would be right by saying so (the other 1% would say Vince Lombardi).

So who is the best coach of all time excluding Vince Lombardi and Tom Landry?

for me I would say Bill Parcells but I really only know around 20 years of coaches, so I can not wait to see the responses some of you old timers will have

I actually thought Jimmy Johnson was a better coach than Landry. I know I may get hammered for that statement but his Cowboy teams accomplished in 5 years what it took Landry 28 years to accomplish and that was 2 SB wins. Had Jimmy stuck around who knows how many more championships the Cowboys may have won. The best teams the Cowboys ever had were under Jimmy. Our 90's teams were in the mold of the 70's Steelers. Jimmy's teams came straight at opponents and punched them in the mouth while Landry's teams were strictly finesse. Jimmy wasn't the X and O's coach Landry was but no one could fire a team up any better than Jimmy. The Cowboys were left in dreadful shape when he took over in 89 and he turned the Cowboys into one of the greatest teams in NFL history in just 4 years. The Cowboys were so good they dominated a decade. No question Landry was a great coach but he wasn't a great "big game" coach. The Cowboys won alot of battles under Landry but they lost alot of wars. They lost a few too many wars for my liking. Landry was just too laid back and unemotional for me and his teams clearly reflected his personality. He refused to change with the times later in his career and his stale approach really cost the Cowboys big in the 81 NFC title game.

 

[Eskimo]

I'll give another vote to the Bill Belicheck. His teams are always impeccably prepared and he is one of the great defensive strategists of all-time.

 

[Cowboy Brian]

to people talking about coaching trees adding to the legacy

Bill Parcells coaching tree is insanely impressive.

Parcells has had extraordinary success in grooming his assistant coaches for eventual head coaching positions of their own. As of 2009, former Parcells assistants who are currently head coaches in either the NFL or the college ranks include:
Bill Belichick, New England Patriots
Tom Coughlin, New York Giants
Sean Payton, New Orleans Saints
Tony Sparano, Miami Dolphins
Eric Mangini, Cleveland Browns
Todd Haley, Kansas City Chiefs
Mike MacIntyre, San Jose State
In addition, former Parcells assistants who previously served as NFL or College head coaches include:
Ray Handley, New York Giants (1991-92)
Chris Palmer, Cleveland Browns (1999-2000)
Al Groh, New York Jets (2000), University of Virginia (2001-2009)
Romeo Crennel, Cleveland Browns (2005-2008)
Charlie Weis, Notre Dame (2005-2009)

bold indicates super bowl winner

 

[Zaxor]

Innovators (top 3)

Paul Brown
Tom Landry
Sid Gillman

Motivators (top 3)

Lombardi
Halas
Shula