Who is your Cowboys biggest draft bust of the decade?

[Wood]

not even close:

Quincy Carter will go down as biggest draft flop because of ridiculous comments from Jerry Jones after taking the pic that he was best QB he watched on film since Dan Marino.

the rest:
Shane Hanna
Dwayne Goodrich
Jacob Rogers

 

[Chief]

Goodrich was this decade, right? Hard not to go with him.

A pretty high pick that literally contributed nothing -- ever -- on the field, and winded up in jail to boot.

My vote as well.

Quincy started and won some games, and didn't kill anyone.

 

[dbair1967]

not even close:

Quincy Carter will go down as biggest draft flop because of ridiculous comments from Jerry Jones after taking the pic that he was best QB he watched on film since Dan Marino.

the rest:
Shane Hanna
Dwayne Goodrich
Jacob Rogers

I dont remember Jones ever saying Quincy was the best QB he'd seen on film since Marino, in fact I am reasonably sure he never made such a comment, especially since he was the owner when we drafted Aikman, who was one of the highest rated QB prospects ever. Now he DID say that when they watched him on film, they saw some similarities to Donovan McNabb, and that would be an accuracte statement.

And Shane Hannah was drafted in 1995.

 

[bbgun]

I dont remember Jones ever saying Quincy was the best QB he'd seen on film since Marino, in fact I am reasonably sure he never made such a comment, especially since he was the owner when we drafted Aikman, who was one of the highest rated QB prospects ever. Now he DID say that when they watched him on film, they saw some similarities to Donovan McNabb, and that would be an accuracte statement.

I wonder how thorough their background check was. Are we supposed to believe that he only started to smoke weed once he got to Dallas?

 

[Maikeru-sama]

I wonder how thorough their background check was. Are we supposed to believe that he only started to smoke weed once he got to Dallas?

No, after he was released it was revealed that he entered the NFL in the Substance Abuse Program.

Also, I don't know about the "Dan Marino" comment but Jerry Jones did claim that Quincy Carter had talent like the Cowboys hadn't seen in a while or something like that. I have the article with the quote in it, but I would have to go look it up.

 

[bbgun]

No, after he was released it was revealed that he entered the NFL in the Substance Abuse Program.

Oh great. :bang2:

 

[Chief]

I wonder how thorough their background check was. Are we supposed to believe that he only started to smoke weed once he got to Dallas?

Lacewell said at the time that they heard a bunch of "rumors" and checked into Quincy more than any other player they've ever researched. He said they found most of it to be untrue.

A total crap draft.

 

[dbair1967]

I wonder how thorough their background check was. Are we supposed to believe that he only started to smoke weed once he got to Dallas?

Alot of Carter's issues were common knowledge by the time he left Athens. I dont recall if any teams removed him from their draft boards, but alot of teams did come and look at him and he was scouted alot from the time he was a Freshman.

 

[bbgun]

Lacewell said at the time that they heard a bunch of "rumors" and checked into Quincy more than any other player they've ever researched. He said they found most of it to be untrue.

A total crap draft.

This kinda contradicts what Maikeru-sama posted. If he had to enter the NFL on "probation," then obviously they found something.

 

[dbair1967]

This kinda contradicts what Maikeru-sama posted. If he had to enter the NFL on "probation," then obviously they found something.

Like I said, it was pretty much common knowledge that Carter had an issue or two at UGA.

He obviously stayed clean for awhile though if he entered the league under the substance abuse policy, as I believe the next positive test would have got him a 4 game suspension. IIRC thats what he was going to get when Dallas cut him, which indicates it was probably his first problem.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

Carpenter's actually played well for us this year. He's at the top of everybody's mind because of all the *****ing everyone did about him, but at least he can play in this league.

Jacob Rogers was also a high pick, but he was weak mentally and physically, disrespectful the team and it's coach, and gave zero return on his investment. Maybe less than zero. I think he's a no-brainer.

I agree with you. The biggest busts in my opinion were Julius Jones, aside from his big year with Romo as well as Ebenezer Ekuban and if we're going way back let's add Shante Carver and David LaFlower. Carpenter is actually playing a bit and I think he'll continue to improve.

I don't see why the argument seems to be Carter v. Carpenter. It seems kind of silly.

 

[bbgun]

Like I said, it was pretty much common knowledge that Carter had an issue or two at UGA.

He obviously stayed clean for awhile though if he entered the league under the substance abuse policy, as I believe the next positive test would have got him a 4 game suspension. IIRC thats what he was going to get when Dallas cut him, which indicates it was probably his first problem.

So Lacewell's boast was just "feel good" spin meant to dupe the fans and protect Carter. Swell.

 

[zrinkill]

If they knew he had a drug problem then it was by far the dumbest move Jerry Jones ever made.

Ever.

Even above Campo.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

I wonder how thorough their background check was. Are we supposed to believe that he only started to smoke weed once he got to Dallas?

A lot of NFL players smoke the ganja. I don't think weed was QC's problem. I think homeboy were a crackhead.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

This kinda contradicts what Maikeru-sama posted. If he had to enter the NFL on "probation," then obviously they found something.

Kind of hard to find articles since it was in 2003 but here is one I found via Google:

Carter entered the league in the NFL substance abuse program and this is his second positive test, which by NFL rules would warrant a four-game fine — not a suspension. Parcells said offseason acquisition Vinny Testaverde, 40, will replace Carter as the Cowboys’ starting quarterback. “Right now, that’s the most experienced player that we have, and I’m confident in that player,” he said.

link

 

[dbair1967]

If they knew he had a drug problem then it was by far the dumbest move Jerry Jones ever made.

Ever.

Even above Campo.

Again, I dont know if anyone removed him from their draft board. Alot of players come into the league with an isolated incident here or there.

If someone did remove him from their draft board, it didnt make the local news here.

 

[bbgun]

A lot of NFL players smoke the ganja. I don't think weed was QC's problem. I think homeboy were a crackhead.

Nobody in their right mind would want their quarterback, the de facto team leader, to be an active or reformed pothead.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

If they knew he had a drug problem then it was by far the dumbest move Jerry Jones ever made.

Ever.

Even above Campo.

So would you say the same holds true for Micheal Irvin?

Just curious. . .

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

Nobody in their right mind would want their quarterback, the de facto team leader, to be an active or reformed pothead.

I'm not saying you want it. I'm saying that's the reality of it. Some of Brett Favre's best games were when he was hopped up on vicodin. Players have vices just like everyone else. I'm sure it's a lot having to deal with the pressures of the game, the expectations of the fans; not to mention the pressure you put on yourself to win.

I'd wager, if the truth could be actually known, that more QBs are potheads than you think. I don't smoke it anymore, but I don't think it would hurt as much as others think. But you can never know unless you've been a regular user of it. I'm not anymore, but I do disagree with you in that it would depend on the particular player and how they perform while under the influence of thc.

 

[dbair1967]

Nobody in their right mind would want their quarterback, the de facto team leader, to be an active or reformed pothead.

I think they made that clear when they cut him.

When he was drafted, he was just a prospect.