Who is your Cowboys biggest draft bust of the decade?

[iceberg]

What about the guy who was taken 2 picks after him, Tony Dixon ? What was his excuse ?

Dwayne Goodrich ? Al Johnson ? Jacob Rogers ?

what about 'em?

if YOU feel they're the biggest bust, just say so but why fixate on people who don't pick who you do?

 

[Dodger12]

Technically, you can almost say Joey Galloway since he cost us a 1st round pick in 2000 and 2001. That was a huge bust that put us back years.

But for an actual pick, it's QC. The QB is the most important position on the team and when a high QB pick doesn't pan out, it again sets your team back years. It's a painful process hoping a QB develops and having to hit rock bottom after wasted years before you realize that your search has to start all over again. A bad pick at QB almost negates your whole draft because it's just hard to win with a bust (high pick) QB even if you hit on your other picks.

Yes, Carpenter was a bad pick but his impact wasn't felt as much and he's also contributing now.

 

[Randy White]

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QUOTE=iceberg;3151013]carpenter will never live up to his 1st round draft status, that is true. but he's still here and still playing. carter can't even win in a farm league now can he?

" Quinthy " was the starting QB for 2 out of the 3 years he was in Dallas, so if you're going to go use the criteria of " but he's still playing " ( as in he's contributing ), then it applies to Quinthy as well, who contributed probably more than Barbie.

again, the title is "draft bust of the decade" and just because fans put far too much emphasis on the FIRST round doesn't mean that's the ONLY place a bust can come from.

You got it wrong. It's not just fans who put too much emphasis on first round picks, it's teams as well.

The Cowboys spent more for Barbie Carpenter than then they did for " Quinthy " AND Tony Dixon, combined. They also got more in return from Carter than they have from Barbie..

 

[Cowboyz88]

Not to be a contrarian, but the only reason Carp is "here and playing" is because his contract his hasn't expired.

He won't be here and playing this time next year.

Quincy was t-e-r-r-i-b-l-e no doubt (I hated those years), but he actually contributed (Giants and 9ers game, in particular) in the Parcell's first year.

Carp? Nothing more than a third down backer, and he's terrible to average at that.

Considering the rounds they were selected, it's Carp.

carpenter will never live up to his 1st round draft status, that is true.

but he's still here and still playing.

carter can't even win in a farm league now can he?

again, the title is "draft bust of the decade" and just because fans put far too much emphasis on the FIRST round doesn't mean that's the ONLY place a bust can come from.

 

[jde88]

Carpenter is in his 4th year, finally contributing, and has "kept his nose clean."

And what exactly is he contributing to other than our porous 3rd down defense?

 

[Zimmy Lives]

Let's keep the comments to Cowboys draft picks so no UFA or FA signings.

Is this a trick question? Bobby Carpenter hands down. Abject failure on all counts.

 

[iceberg]

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" Quinthy " was the starting QB for 2 out of the 3 years he was in Dallas, so if you're going to go use the criteria of " but he's still playing " ( as in he's contributing ), then it applies to Quinthy as well, who contributed probably more than Barbie.



You got it wrong. It's not just fans who put too much emphasis on first round picks, it's teams as well.

The Cowboys spent more for Barbie Carpenter than then did for " Quinthy " AND Tony Dixon, combined. They also got more in return from Carter than they have from Barbie..

sorry - i quit reading there cause your goal is to insult, not talk. people who have to make up pet names for people, teams, coaches and that's all they can call them have shown me time and again rational thought usually escapes them.

have a nice day.

 

[iceberg]

Is this a trick question? Bobby Carpenter hands down. Abject failure on all counts.

an ajbect failure no all counts doesn't have a 4+ year career in the NFL do they?

there's a difference from not living up to your draft status vs. not living up to even being a part of the NFL in any shape, form or fashion.

 

[iceberg]

Not to be a contrarian, but the only reason Carp is "here and playing" is because his contract his hasn't expired.

bull.

we've cut people in the middle of contract before, ask TO.

again, excuse hunting and i just don't buy that. i'm not a carpenter fan but i'm also not blinded by draft position vs. production to be the sole guide for ranking players.

 

[Zimmy Lives]

an ajbect failure no all counts doesn't have a 4+ year career in the NFL do they?

there's a difference from not living up to your draft status vs. not living up to even being a part of the NFL in any shape, form or fashion.

Strong reasoning; point taken. Just my opinion but very good retort.

 

[Randy White]

sorry - i quit reading there cause your goal is to insult, not talk. people who have to make up pet names for people, teams, coaches and that's all they can call them have shown me time and again rational thought usually escapes them.

have a nice day.

Get off your high horse.. IF you don't like what I post, DON'T respond to it..

 

[Biggems]

at least Quincy helped us win 10 games and make the playoffs.

Goodrich was garbage from the start. the only thing he ever did successfully was run over innocent people. the guy was garbage on and off the field. He is one of the very few Cowboys that bring the HATE out of me.

 

[Zimmy Lives]

bull.

we've cut people in the middle of contract before, ask TO.

again, excuse hunting and i just don't buy that. i'm not a carpenter fan but i'm also not blinded by draft position vs. production to be the sole guide for ranking players.

Draft status -- in the grand scheme, that is -- is irrelevent but in Carpenter's case you should have to factor in potential and expectations along with contribution.

 

[iceberg]

Strong reasoning; point taken. Just my opinion but very good retort.

well i can certainly understand why people don't care for carpenter. 1st round pick, parcells guy, LB when we need them most - but draft position shouldn't be the only indicator of how a players career should go, it's just the easiest to label, define, and then compare to.

like i said, he'll never live up to a 1st round pick. lafluer didn't either. when you get right down to it, not many do. those types of game changing players are just hard to come by for every team.

but i think people let what THEY want carpenter to be cloud what he always has been then because he was never what THEY thought, he's a bust.

does he still provide value to the team? does he still contribute on some level?

yes. he does.

not to 1st round status, but that isn't my point right now - i already said he's not 1st round impact.

i just believe that most people can only see in extremes and the middle ground is lost on them.

 

[iceberg]

Get off your high horse.. IF you don't like what I post, DON'T respond to it..

maybe it's because i don't like it i chose to respond.

feel free to follow your own advice if it works for you, however.

 

[iceberg]

Draft status -- in the grand scheme, that is -- is irrelevent but in Carpenter's case you should have to factor in potential and expectations along with contribution.

i already have. i don't think he's a "total abject failure bust" but i don't think he lived up to 1st round status.

i don't think not living up to 1st round draft status is an auto-bust like so many others.

 

[FanSince61]

Jacob Rogers

 

[Randy White]

Draft status -- in the grand scheme, that is -- is irrelevent but in Carpenter's case you should have to factor in potential, expectations along with contribution.

People see what they want to see and try to change the argument whenever it doesn't fit their agenda.

The question is " Who is the Cowboys' biggest draft bust of the decade ? ". Not " who had the longest career ", or who was " the best citizen "..

Just by simple mathematics, it's none other than Barbie Carpenter. He cost the Cowboys the 18th pick of the draft. The 18th pick of ANY draft is worth at least twice as much as ANY 2nd round pick in ANY draft.

If you're going by contributions back to the team, out of the Cowboys' many 2nd round busts, " Quinthy " contributed the most. As a matter of fact, he contributed to the Cowboys MORE than Barbie has and Barbie is still playing, so that speaks volumes about Barbie.

 

[The Realist]

Doesn't matter where they were drafted.

Investing years into a QB is more expensive then investing years in a LB.

 

[big dog cowboy]

So many to choose from it's depressing.