Who is your Cowboys biggest draft bust of the decade?

[iceberg]

People see what they want to see and try to change the argument whenever it doesn't fit their agenda.

The question is " Who is the Cowboys' biggest draft bust of the decade ? ". Not " who had the longest career ", or who was " the best citizen "..

Just by simple mathematics, it's none other than Barbie Carpenter. He cost the Cowboys the 18th pick of the draft. The 18th pick of ANY draft is worth at least twice as much as ANY 2nd round pick in ANY draft.

If you're going by contributions back to the team, out of the Cowboys' many 2nd round busts, " Quinthy " contributed the most. As a matter of fact, he contributed to the Cowboys MORE than Barbie has and Barbie is still playing, so that speaks volumes about Barbie.

ya sure do mr "i will never spell their name properly cause i'm still 12 and it's fun to do this".

 

[Randy White]

maybe it's because i don't like it i chose to respond.

feel free to follow your own advice if it works for you, however.

I'll respond. I just won't pretend to be some uppity snob pretending to get insulted when someone calls a player a name..

 

[Randy White]

ya sure do mr "i will never spell their name properly cause i'm still 12

You IQ ?

 

[Zimmy Lives]

i already have. i don't think he's a "total abject failure bust" but i don't think he lived up to 1st round status.

i don't think not living up to 1st round draft status is an auto-bust like so many others.

Maybe abject was too strong a word. How about disappointment based on expectations and pedigree?

 

[iceberg]

I'll respond. I just won't pretend to be some uppity snob pretending to get insulted when someone calls a player a name..

oh, i don't think i'm an uppity snob, it's just something i see kids do and not too many adults. but fine, you win. zimmy and some others i'm disagreeing with and we're keeping it civil.

you go play with the obvious, the adults will take care of the rest.

 

[Randy White]

Doesn't matter where they were drafted.

Investing years into a QB is more expensive then investing years in a LB.

Of course it matters where they're drafted. How much you think the Cowboys invested on Quinthy ? Let's say his salary ( which as a second round draft pick it wouldn't even close to a #1 draft pick ) and what else ? Coaches time ?

 

[Hostile]

And what exactly is he contributing to other than our porous 3rd down defense?

Ask the guys on Defense if his contributions don't matter at all. What do you think the answer would be?

I'll say it again, drug abuse is the bigger issue to me. Drug abuse to the point it derailed his career and all subsequent attempts to revive and his continuing to blame the organization for all of his issues.

Carter is the prize. Everyone else is running 2nd place at best. I would never want another Carter. I'd take another Carpenter.

 

[Cowboyz88]

Sadly, this is the truth.

So many to choose from it's depressing.

 

[Randy White]

oh, i don't think i'm an uppity snob, it's just something i see kids do and not too many adults. but fine, you win. zimmy and some others i'm disagreeing with and we're keeping it civil.

you go play with the obvious, the adults will take care of the rest.[/

Perhaps you need to rethink your thinking...

 

[Cowboyz88]

Couldn't we just hope that we never get another of either?

I would never want another Carter. I'd take another Carpenter.

 

[Zimmy Lives]

People see what they want to see and try to change the argument whenever it doesn't fit their agenda.

The question is " Who is the Cowboys' biggest draft bust of the decade ? ". Not " who had the longest career ", or who was " the best citizen "..

Just by simple mathematics, it's none other than Barbie Carpenter. He cost the Cowboys the 18th pick of the draft. The 18th pick of ANY draft is worth at least twice as much as ANY 2nd round pick in ANY draft.

If you're going by contributions back to the team, out of the Cowboys' many 2nd round busts, " Quinthy " contributed the most. As a matter of fact, he contributed to the Cowboys MORE than Barbie has and Barbie is still playing, so that speaks volumes about Barbie.

There is truth in Ice's arguement.

Most would choose to use the word "bust" to describe Carpenter's contribution based on draft status but he's really more of a disappointment -- a very costly (1st-round draft choice) disappointment.

 

[iceberg]

Maybe abject was too strong a word. How about disappointment based on expectations and pedigree?

won't disagree there. he came in with a lot of hope and hype.

all 1st round players do.

i can relate to where that puts people's mindset to a "higher standard" but is that fair to the player? no. but people do it. they tend tend to stick with it vs. backup and look at the overall picture.

almost the entire 2001 draft w/quincy was pretty much a bust. as others have said, i put the development time into the QB at a higher premium than LB. you build around the impact players such as QB/RB vs. LB's so the affect it has on the team can be more detrimental when you draft wrong at QB than LB.

now if you insist on going with carpenter being the "bust" some feel he is, is that all his fault or our own for drafting him too high cause of parcells history? i think the "history" there is a huge part of why we drafted him that high.

in all, i just feel that the time and effort put into someone who in the end never should have been in the NFL is a bigger hit/waste of time than someone who is still there playing.

some people just hate and can't see past it.

 

[Hostile]

Couldn't we just hope that we never get another of either?

Why would I never want another backup LB? I wouldn't want him to be a 1st round pick. But I wouldn't want another Carter at any price. Not even as a minimum priced UDFA. IMO he is a disgrace. To himself if not his time with the Cowboys.

 

[iceberg]

Perhaps you need to rethink your thinking...

yea, ok. isn't recess about over? i hope you made fun of the fat kid, it always impresses the chics. unless they're fat too.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

I forgot about Dewayne Goodrich.

He was a pretty good player at Tennessee.

He was such as disappointment on and off the field.

I see Quincy Carter still has it in him :laugh2: .

 

[hawklegion]

Dwayne Goodrich - Not only was he a poor player but he killed people. He didn't just kill anyone, he killed 2 people who were trying to help others.

On January 14, 2003, Goodrich was involved in a hit and run accident that killed two people. On January 15, he was arrested on charges of vehicular manslaughter in relation to the accident. Police believed that Goodrich, driving at an estimated speed of 110 mph, struck and killed two motorists who were trying to rescue a man from a burning car on a North Dallas freeway.

 

[Randy White]

I would never want another Carter. I'd take another Carpenter.

Yea, but that's peripheral. Going by that criteria, Hollywood Henderson was a bigger bust than Rod Hill, and that's obviously not the case.

Was " Quinthy " an embarrassment to the franchise ? Sure. Nobody would argue that, but what the Cowboys paid to get him is not nearly the amount they paid to get Barbie.

 

[iceberg]

There is truth in Ice's arguement.

Most would choose to use the word "bust" to describe Carpenter's contribution based on draft status but he's really more of a disappointment -- a very costly (1st-round draft choice) disappointment.

thank you - i'm glad someone is trying to see my difference here.

i wouldn't argue nearly as much if the discussion was around biggest dissapointment, but i could put carter up there too. draft a qb high and you want results.

then again, over the last 10 years we've had too many "disappointments" to choose from so we get bitter with each other. i hate that too but like the rest, fall into that trap also.

 

[theebs]

Why would I never want another backup LB? I wouldn't want him to be a 1st round pick. But I wouldn't want another Carter at any price. Not even as a minimum priced UDFA. IMO he is a disgrace. To himself if not his time with the Cowboys.

He sure was.

And when quarterback's are missed on it is a shot to the heart of an organization. You miss there and you pay for it for years. You miss on a lb or corner and you can get another one the next year of some value.

Letting a player who stinks try and develop is just the kill shot to the whole operation.

 

[lwehlers]

carter and bryant wr. they could have been our future after aikman and irvin. that of course did not work. i am glad we have romo and miles now.