Who is your Cowboys biggest draft bust of the decade?

[iceberg]

He sure was.

And when quarterback's are missed on it is a shot to the heart of an organization. You miss there and you pay for it for years. You miss on a lb or corner and you can get another one the next year of some value.

Letting a player who stinks try and develop is just the kill shot to the whole operation.

i'm with you and hos on this one. we pick up good lb's every offseason it would seem to patch it and play well. zach, brooking, we can find LB's who can contribute so making a draft pick mistake there sucks to be sure, but isn't setting back the franchise a few years to find out.

i just can't call someone a bust who is making a career out of the nfl. dissapointment, sure. never lived up to billing, sure. bust? no.

 

[AbeBeta]

Carter is the prize. Everyone else is running 2nd place at best. I would never want another Carter. I'd take another Carpenter.

What makes Carter even worse is he really flashed some big time talent. At one point, several reporters (and Jerry) were comparing him to McNabb and Jerry even suggested after an outstanding game that a few more like that and he'd be looking at a McNabb-sized contract.

 

[Randy White]

There is truth in Ice's arguement.

Most would choose to use the word "bust" to describe Carpenter's contribution based on draft status but he's really more of a disappointment -- a very costly (1st-round draft choice) disappointment.

Not only disappointment, but lack of return.

Think of them as stocks. The Cowboys paid ( let's say ) $10 for Quinthy (2nd round pick ). Going by Quinthy's contribution to the team, let's say they got $4 back ( 10 wins in one season, playoff appearance ).

Now let's say the Cowboys paid $20 for Barbie ( 1st round pick ).. How much return do you think his contribution, so far, would be worth ? $3 at the most ?

 

[iceberg]

Not only disappointment, but lack of return.

Think of them as stocks. The Cowboys paid ( let's say ) $10 for Quinthy (2nd round pick ). Going by Quinthy's contribution to the team, let's say they got $4 back ( 10 wins in one season, playoff appearance ).

Now let's say the Cowboys paid $20 for Barbie ( 1st round pick ).. How much return do you think his contribution, so far, would be worth ? $3 at the most ?

but we're not arguing disappointment of which we both agree, he's a definate #1 contender.

we're arguing bust - no value gained.

4 years later carpenter is still playing in the NFL. while not at 1st round standards, he's still here. a bust *to me* is someone who just can't cut it on any level and was a complete waste of time.

like carpenter or not he's still playing and if we did cut him, my bet is someone would pick him up to provide value to their team still.

who picked up carter?

i don't think being a bus driver in a year of parcells euprhoria removes the fact that carter, in the end, was totally incapable of playing in the NFL regardless of cost, draft position or whatever metric you want to use.

carpenter is capable of playing in the NFL, regardless of how that makes some people feel.

now what if carpenter were drafted in the 4th round, does your opinion change? if so, based on what - draft status only?

 

[The Realist]

Of course it matters where they're drafted. How much you think the Cowboys invested on Quinthy ? Let's say his salary ( which as a second round draft pick it wouldn't even close to a #1 draft pick ) and what else ? Coaches time ?

Putting the ball in the hands of Q set the entire franchise back at least 3 years.

You can't say the same about Barbie.

Because we had Q we didn't sign Delhomme.

Bill wanted to sign him.

Say what you want about him now, but at the time Delhomme would have been a homerun and would have bought us another 4-5 years to draft/develop another QB.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

but we're not arguing disappointment of which we both agree, he's a definate #1 contender.

we're arguing bust - no value gained.

4 years later carpenter is still playing in the NFL. while not at 1st round standards, he's still here. a bust *to me* is someone who just can't cut it on any level and was a complete waste of time.

like carpenter or not he's still playing and if we did cut him, my bet is someone would pick him up to provide value to their team still.

who picked up carter?

i don't think being a bus driver in a year of parcells euprhoria removes the fact that carter, in the end, was totally incapable of playing in the NFL regardless of cost, draft position or whatever metric you want to use.

carpenter is capable of playing in the NFL, regardless of how that makes some people feel.

now what if carpenter were drafted in the 4th round, does your opinion change? if so, based on what - draft status only?

The New York Jets did and he actually came in as a backup and helped them win some games.

The guy had a drug problem, that is why he isn't in the league anymore.

And Bobby Carpenter is a bust, no matter how anyone tries to spin it.

 

[Zimmy Lives]

Not only disappointment, but lack of return.

Think of them as stocks. The Cowboys paid ( let's say ) $10 for Quinthy (2nd round pick ). Going by Quinthy's contribution to the team, let's say they got $4 back ( 10 wins in one season, playoff appearance ).

Now let's say the Cowboys paid $20 for Barbie ( 1st round pick ).. How much return do you think his contribution, so far, would be worth ? $3 at the most ?

Bobby Carpenter = High-Yield/High-Risk Asian Tiger Fund?

High-yield expectation with a government bond return.

 

[Randy White]

yea, ok. isn't recess about over? i hope you made fun of the fat kid, it always impresses the chics. unless they're fat too.

Love the Law and Order TV advocates..

 

[Randy White]

Bobby Carpenter = High-Yield/High-Risk Asian Tiger Fund?

High-yield expectation with a government bond return.

In the words of Shaggy:

YYYIIIKKKEEESSS ??

 

[jimmy40]

now what if carpenter were drafted in the 4th round, does your opinion change? if so, based on what - draft status only?

of course. why would it not?

 

[Direwolf63]

To me is was Dwayne Goodrich.

Is he out of jail yet?

 

[iceberg]

The New York Jets did and he actually came in as a backup and helped them win some games.

The guy had a drug problem, that is why he isn't in the league anymore.

And Bobby Carpenter is a bust, no matter how anyone tries to spin it.

good point - and you're right.

not spinning a thing - just seeing it differently. i view bust to be someone who in the end provided no real value to the team. if carpenter has found a way to do that he has found a role he can succeed in. if you found a way to succeed at a high level, i can't call someone a bust.

i don't care about how i feel personally, i don't care where they were drafted, i don't care that he was a parcells guy and i hated parcell-guys, i just look to see if they found a way to contribute.

carpenter is making a career out of the nfl. quincy is making a career out of stupidity.

i consider door #2 the bigger waste and bust. maybe i put a wider defination around "bust" vs. "disappointment" than some do and maybe some just think it's the same thing.

i don't, and no that doesn't mean i'm spinning a thing.

 

[JustDezIt]

have you seen our defensive third down completion numbers? just cause we havent cut his ***** *** to save a few bucks and have no good replacement. A first round thats a backup after 3+ years is a bust IMO.

 

[iceberg]

Love the Law and Order TV advocates..

is this like saying LOOK - A CHICKEN!!! and pointing elsewhere to distract me cause otherwise i have no idea what you just said or what hit you're taking.

but i'm sure you thought it was clever. : )

 

[Doomsay]

And what exactly is he contributing to other than our porous 3rd down defense?

Exactly, random theory suggests that someone will forget to block him once or 2x a season, but he is a waste of a roster spot by any definition. The opportunity cost of not having picked a starter or even a decent backup with that pick has hurt this team for years. less than JAG status.

Carter hurt us more because of his position, but he was less of a bust by virtue of his draft ranking.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

good point - and you're right.

not spinning a thing - just seeing it differently. i view bust to be someone who in the end provided no real value to the team. if carpenter has found a way to do that he has found a role he can succeed in. if you found a way to succeed at a high level, i can't call someone a bust.

i don't care about how i feel personally, i don't care where they were drafted, i don't care that he was a parcells guy and i hated parcell-guys, i just look to see if they found a way to contribute.

carpenter is making a career out of the nfl. quincy is making a career out of stupidity.

i consider door #2 the bigger waste and bust. maybe i put a wider defination around "bust" vs. "disappointment" than some do and maybe some just think it's the same thing.

i don't, and no that doesn't mean i'm spinning a thing.

Oh, I am not arguing with you on who is the bigger bust. At the end of the day, it is all opinion and nobody is right or wrong.

Was just pointing out that Quincy is not in the league because of substance abuse problems and likely not because he lacks the talent.

I just consider Bobby Carpenter a huge bust and there is a good chance he isn't even here next year.

 

[iceberg]

of course. why would it not?

so if it changes due to where he's drafted, does it make him a draft bust or disapointment?

"draft bust" - again - means we got him in the draft and he failed miserably.

"the draft"

not 1st round, not last round.

the draft.

if where someone got drafted if the only scale you ever use to measure how they SHOULD preform, then i'll just say my scale is a bit different. making a draft mistake and still finding value in the player to me is more important than pretending you can get the 1st round right every time.

we screwed up taking him in the 1st. i'm glad to see we found a way to still get value out of that vs. do the fans favorite thing - cut your nose off to spite your face.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

have you seen our defensive third down completion numbers? just cause we havent cut his ***** *** to save a few bucks and have no good replacement. A first round thats a backup after 3+ years is a bust IMO.

:laugh2:

 

[es22]

Quincy Carter by far. He set the team back 5 years.

 

[iceberg]

Oh, I am not arguing with you on who is the bigger bust. At the end of the day, it is all opinion and nobody is right or wrong.

Was just pointing out that Quincy is not in the league because of substance abuse problems and likely not because he lacks the talent.

I just consider Bobby Carpenter a huge bust and there is a good chance he isn't even here next year.

totally agree on the opinion thing - glad we agree on that.

there can be a million reasons for a player to fall into "bust" status. drugs/alcohol/party life/bling bling blindnes are all valid ones to be sure.

carpenter at least never made those mistakes that we know of. and while we can debate whether he is here or not next year, we'll find out next year to be sure. : )

if he is here, is he still a bust and the front office is just too stupid to see it, or are people still blinded by the light of 1st round promise that never met that expectation?