Who is your Cowboys biggest draft bust of the decade?

[Doomsay]

carpenter is capable of playing in the NFL, regardless of how that makes some people feel.

now what if carpenter were drafted in the 4th round, does your opinion change? if so, based on what - draft status only?

I don't think that he is capable. If we get a real coach next year and jettison his butt, I doubt any team will pick him up.

Yes, if Carpenter was drafted in the 4th round, he'd be less of a bust - it's a opportunity cost vs. performance measure.

 

[iceberg]

have you seen our defensive third down completion numbers? just cause we havent cut his ***** *** to save a few bucks and have no good replacement. A first round thats a backup after 3+ years is a bust IMO.

but he's still playing, is he not?

who's the bigger bust - somone still playing or someone already out of the league, and 2 others?

 

[thewireman]

Ryan Leaf, I just had to say it:laugh2:

 

[jimmy40]

so if it changes due to where he's drafted, does it make him a draft bust or disapointment?

"draft bust" - again - means we got him in the draft and he failed miserably.

"the draft"

not 1st round, not last round.

the draft.

if where someone got drafted if the only scale you ever use to measure how they SHOULD preform, then i'll just say my scale is a bit different. making a draft mistake and still finding value in the player to me is more important than pretending you can get the 1st round right every time.

we screwed up taking him in the 1st. i'm glad to see we found a way to still get value out of that vs. do the fans favorite thing - cut your nose off to spite your face.

Carpenter = solid fourth round pick
Carpenter = first round bust

no way in hell you can talk about bust and not completely factor in where they went in the draft.

7th round bust doesn't equal 1st round bust, if it did we'd all be great GMs.

 

[Idgit]

Carpenter's actually played well for us this year. He's at the top of everybody's mind because of all the *****ing everyone did about him, but at least he can play in this league.

Jacob Rogers was also a high pick, but he was weak mentally and physically, disrespectful the team and it's coach, and gave zero return on his investment. Maybe less than zero. I think he's a no-brainer.

 

[Randy White]

Putting the ball in the hands of Q set the entire franchise back at least 3 years. You can't say the same about Barbie.

Because we had Q we didn't sign Delhomme. Bill wanted to sign him.

Say what you want about him now, but at the time Delhomme would have been a homerun and would have bought us another 4-5 years to draft/develop another QB.

Although I don't think the Delhomme angle had anything to do with Quinthy considering we signed Hutchinson AND Drew Henson, think about this:

If we would have signed Delhomme, we would probably have never brought in Tony Romo. Had Bill been overruled like he was when Ware was available, and not drafted Barbie, we probably would have drafted Cromatie, who would have paired up with Newman to form a heck of a CB tandem to this day.

We could spend all day here playing the " what if " scenarios, but we have to go by what we had/have, not what could have been.

That's why I don't buy the " Quinthy set the franchise back 3 years " or whatever. Remember that Quinthy came into a rebuilding franchise, not a playoff team a QB away from a Superbowl. In essense, he's no better or worse than either Henson or Hutchinson who cost more money to the team than he did. He was a relatively cheap project who didn't work out.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Carpenter = solid fourth round pick
Carpenter = first round bust

no way in hell you can talk about bust and not completely factor in where they went in the draft.

7th round bust doesn't equal 1st round bust, if it did we'd all be great GMs.

 

[iceberg]

Carpenter = solid fourth round pick
Carpenter = first round bust

no way in hell you can talk about bust and not completely factor in where they went in the draft.

7th round bust doesn't equal 1st round bust, if it did we'd all be great GMs.

so if you say somewhere in the draft he would be considered a solid pickup - we could agree there?

would you give any draft pick for carter then at this point? would a 7th round pick have made carter a "non-bust"?

i do factor in where they went in the draft, but like many, i don't stop there esp. when the question is biggest "draft" bust, not biggest 1st round bust.

 

[Spectre]

Lol.
I vividly remember one day, only a few months after drafting Carp, where I began a thread stating that he looked like a poor draft choice already. I proceeded to defend my comments against a barrage of insults and attacks from many, many posters here without so much as a single supporter.

Now this board overwhelmingly agrees that Carp is a bust.

lol.

losers.

 

[iceberg]

Carpenter's actually played well for us this year. He's at the top of everybody's mind because of all the *****ing everyone did about him, but at least he can play in this league.

Jacob Rogers was also a high pick, but he was weak mentally and physically, disrespectful the team and it's coach, and gave zero return on his investment. Maybe less than zero. I think he's a no-brainer.

i think he does pretty well on special teams but he's just not a player that shines and many people it would seem need that shine to equate effective or productive.

in the end even if carpenter is gone next year, the people ragging on him now will just move onto the next player to rag on. for some strange reason it seems to be how they feel good about themselves. some have legit concerns, some just take shots and giggle.

 

[The Realist]

Oh, I am not arguing with you on who is the bigger bust. At the end of the day, it is all opinion and nobody is right or wrong.

Was just pointing out that Quincy is not in the league because of substance abuse problems and likely not because he lacks the talent.

I just consider Bobby Carpenter a huge bust and there is a good chance he isn't even here next year.

QB most important position on the field.

Teams are so starved they are playing 40 year olds at the position.

If he had talent he would be in the league.

Favre had an addiction issue.

But he actually has talent, so it was worth seeing him work through that issue.

Kerry Collins had an alcohol issue.

Not near Favre's talent obviously, but he was a far better bus driver than Quincy.

Leonard Little killed people.

 

[Randy White]

Carpenter = solid fourth round pick
Carpenter = first round bustno way in hell you can talk about bust and not completely factor in where they went in the draft.

7th round bust doesn't equal 1st round bust, if it did we'd all be great GMs.

Exactly... That's taking the emotion out of it. Just simple math.

No 2nd round pick bust could ever affect a franchise as much as a 1st round bust.

It's impossible.

 

[iceberg]

QB most important position on the field.

Teams are so starved they are playing 40 year olds at the position.

If he had talent he would be in the league.

Favre had an addiction issue.

But he actually has talent, so it was worth seeing him work through that issue.

Kerry Collins had an alcohol issue.

Not near Favre's talent obviously, but he was a far better bus driver than Quincy.

Leonard Little killed people.

i think the difference here is your 1st point and a combo of a lot of good (and not so good) replies.

do you put more value on the position of the player, or the position he was drafted in.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

so if you say somewhere in the draft he would be considered a solid pickup - we could agree there?

would you give any draft pick for carter then at this point? would a 7th round pick have made carter a "non-bust"?

i do factor in where they went in the draft, but like many, i don't stop there esp. when the question is biggest "draft" bust, not biggest 1st round bust.

The very reason Quincy Carter was allowed to start was because of his draft position.

Nobody is going to hand the keys over to a rookie 7th round pick.

So yes, despite what you are saying, where you are drafted has a huge impact on how the Coaching Staff perceives you and the expectations they have.

Bill Parcells most likely didn't draft Barbie to be a backup.

 

[Dawgs0916]

The thread asked for draft bust of the decade, not 1st round draft bust. Cocaine. I shouldn't have to say more than that.

Um manslaughter, that's all I have to say.

 

[iceberg]

Exactly... That's taking the emotion out of it. Just simple math.

No 2nd round pick bust could ever affect a franchise as much as a 1st round bust.

It's impossible.

i disagree, mr emotional. : )

you just said "any player taken at 32 who turns into a bust will forever hurt a player taken at 33 who turns into a bust too".

1 position really make all that much of a difference?

 

[iceberg]

The very reason Quincy Carter was allowed to start was because of his draft position.

Nobody is going to hand the keys over to a rookie 7th round pick.

So yes, despite what you are saying, where you are drafted has a huge impact on how the Coaching Staff perceives you and the expectations they have.

Bill Parcells most likely didn't draft Barbie to be a backup.

so that would make him a huge draft bust then, right?

and we already agree on expectations and carpenters disappointment, we just disagree that bust=disappointment.

 

[Randy White]

Um manslaughter, that's all I have to say.

Hos, this is why you have to take the emotions out of it. Dawgs is completely right. In the real world, manslaughter trumps cocaine use ALL the time.

However, the bottom line still is that both were 2nd round draft picks. Both were busts. Both didn't cost the Cowboys as much as Barbie did. They, simply, couldn't have unless either was drafted with the 18th pick of their respective drafts.

 

[Zimmy Lives]

Lol.
I vividly remember one day, only a few months after drafting Carp, where I began a thread stating that he looked like a poor draft choice already. I proceeded to defend my comments against a barrage of insults and attacks from many, many posters here without so much as a single supporter.

Now this board overwhelmingly agrees that Carp is a bust.

lol.

losers.

You're the loser for not working for the Cowboys as a scout.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

QB most important position on the field.

Teams are so starved they are playing 40 year olds at the position.

If he had talent he would be in the league.

Favre had an addiction issue.

But he actually has talent, so it was worth seeing him work through that issue.

Kerry Collins had an alcohol issue.

Not near Favre's talent obviously, but he was a far better bus driver than Quincy.

Leonard Little killed people.

Yes, the keyword is "had".

Despite what people say, society doesn't put Alcohol and Pain Killers in the same category as Cocaine.

Leonard Little is a linebacker. I don't believe a Quarterback, who is the face of the franchise would be in the league if they killed an entire family while driving drunk and also has received at least 1 DWI after the incident.

I believe Quincy Carter had enough talent to be a backup in the NFL. He is not in the league anymore because he burned too many bridges and hasn't gotten clean.