Who is your Cowboys biggest draft bust of the decade?

[Randy White]

i disagree, mr emotional. : )

you just said "any player taken at 32 who turns into a bust will forever hurt a player taken at 33 who turns into a bust too".

1 position really make all that much of a difference?

Sorry, when did I say such thing ?

Are you confusing my posts with someone else ?

 

[wileedog]

Putting the ball in the hands of Q set the entire franchise back at least 3 years.

You can't say the same about Barbie.

Because we had Q we didn't sign Delhomme.

Bill wanted to sign him.

Say what you want about him now, but at the time Delhomme would have been a homerun and would have bought us another 4-5 years to draft/develop another QB.

If you really want to be scared, we were probably a few bong hits away from cutting Romo for Carter (and Henson).

 

[iceberg]

Exactly... That's taking the emotion out of it. Just simple math.

No 2nd round pick bust could ever affect a franchise as much as a 1st round bust.

It's impossible.

i disagree, mr emotional. : )

you just said "any player taken at 32 who turns into a bust will forever hurt a player taken at 33 who turns into a bust too".

1 position really make all that much of a difference?

Sorry, when did I say such thing ?

Are you confusing my posts with someone else ?

when does the 1st round end and the 2nd begin again? what did you say about 1st vs. 2nd around again? it being "impossible?"

 

[Idgit]

i think he does pretty well on special teams but he's just not a player that shines and many people it would seem need that shine to equate effective or productive.

in the end even if carpenter is gone next year, the people ragging on him now will just move onto the next player to rag on. for some strange reason it seems to be how they feel good about themselves. some have legit concerns, some just take shots and giggle.

I like Carpenter as a person, from what I see. By all accounts his effort is there, he's just not very good.

But he's been good enough to hang on for four years, and get some playing time on ST and in defensive packages. No doubt, that's a huge bust for a first round pick, but comparing it to Rogers who lasted, what, two seasons? Was kicked off the team for being soft and argumentative after delivering absolutely nothing? Rogers was a huge draft day mistake. There's no fair comparison between the two players and the only reason it seems like there is is that Bobby's been just good enough to hang around the roster for people to complain about longer.

 

[khiladi]

Does Jason Garrett count as a possible pick?

 

[LeonDixson]

Theebs makes an excellent point about QB being a position where a "miss" sets the whole franchise back for years if you are relying on the guy to come in a play right away.

However, if lack of production is a key my vote has to go to Skylar Green. We spent a 4th and he didn't even make it out of training camp. He's in the CFL now. Jacob Rogers fits the description too but at least he made the team.

 

[Randy White]

when does the 1st round end and the 2nd begin again? what did you say about 1st vs. 2nd around again? it being "impossible?"

Ok, nevermind.. I see what you're asking..

Yes, even the 32nd pick of the draft, last pick in the 1st round ( if he's a bust ), would hurt the franchise MORE than the 33rd pick of the draft, first pick in the 2nd round ( if he's a bust ). That's just simple math.

Now, that the degrees of the damage varies from pick to pick, nobody is going to argue that. Of course somebody selected with the 32nd pick is not going to hurt as much as somebody selected with the 18th pick. But that's not the point.

The point is that no matter how you slice it, dice it, color it, or paint it, a 1st round bust is going to create more damage to any team than any other round bust, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, or 7th..

 

[utrunner07]

Im going to have to go with Joey Galloway, maybe we did not technicaly draft him, but, WE TRADED TWO, 2!!!!!!, First rounders for him. Still makes me want to slap Jerry.

 

[wileedog]

Im going to have to go with Joey Galloway, maybe we did not technicaly draft him, but, WE TRADED TWO, 2!!!!!!, First rounders for him. Still makes me want to slap Jerry.

Well under that criteria you have to consider a 1st, 3rd, 6th and $45M for a #2 WR in Roy Williams into the conversation.

 

[utrunner07]

Well under that criteria you have to consider a 1st, 3rd, 6th and $45M for a #2 WR in Roy Williams into the conversation.

No where even near close to the Galloway deal, not even in the same ballpark. Especially considering Williams has already given us more production than Galloway.

 

[wileedog]

No where even near close to the Galloway deal, not even in the same ballpark. Especially considering Williams has already given us more production than Galloway.

No, about the same. Roy is on pace for about 700 yards and 7 TDs this season, after contributing exactly nothing last year, which is about what Joey averaged. Galloway even got a 900 yard season in there between the injuries.

You're right the price tags are pretty different though.

 

[peppersquad]

You know all and all if bobby is the biggest bust that's pretty good. No team is going to go 10 for 10 on first rd pro bowlers. And say what u want about Bobby he's still contributing to the team 4 yrs later.

Having said that the 2nd rd hit rate is unacceptable particularly with a team that trades down every year.

 

[RS12]

James Marten was a major stiff, but it is still Barbie or Quincy.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Let's keep the comments to Cowboys draft picks so no UFA or FA signings.

Quincy

 

[Hook'em#11]

taking Julius Jones instead of Steven Jackson.

WINNER!!! End of thread.

 

[KJJ]

Carter. Hands down.

How can it be Quincy Carter when he was a second round pick who eventually became the starter and led the Cowboys to a 10-6 record and a playoff birth? We got alot more out of him than Carpenter or Goodrich. Barbie Carpenter has clearly been the biggest Cowboys draft bust not only of this decade but maybe any decade.

 

[peppersquad]

How can it be Quincy Carter when he was a second round pick who eventually became the starter and led the Cowboys to a 10-6 record and a playoff birth? We got alot more out of him than Carpenter or Goodrich. Barbie Carpenter has clearly been the biggest Cowboys draft bust not only of this decade but maybe any decade.

This is my thinking as well. I understand you put time and effort into a QB, but in terms of busts QCar actually contributed.

 

[iceberg]

Ok, nevermind.. I see what you're asking..

Yes, even the 32nd pick of the draft, last pick in the 1st round ( if he's a bust ), would hurt the franchise MORE than the 33rd pick of the draft, first pick in the 2nd round ( if he's a bust ). That's just simple math.

Now, that the degrees of the damage varies from pick to pick, nobody is going to argue that. Of course somebody selected with the 32nd pick is not going to hurt as much as somebody selected with the 18th pick. But that's not the point.

The point is that no matter how you slice it, dice it, color it, or paint it, a 1st round bust is going to create more damage to any team than any other round bust, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, or 7th..

i disagree. i don't think you can say "degrees of damage" to allow for variables then go be 100% binary (yes/no) again.

to me no matter how you dice it, a high pick for a qb who could never play the game is a bigger waste than a higher pick who disappointed fans but is still playing.

 

[KJJ]

This is my thinking as well. I understand you put time and effort into a QB, but in terms of busts QCar actually contributed.

Quincy Carter was a second round pick who became the starter as a rookie. He started 31 games during his 3 seasons in Dallas and at least contributed. The Cowboys had one pretty good season with him making the playoffs. Carter did have a few good games for the Cowboys including a final minute comeback against Carolina in which Carter hit Antonio Bryant in the endzone for the winning score and a great comeback win over NY on a Monday Night game where he again hit Bryant with a pass that set up the winning FG. The Cowboys brought in QB's including Chad Hutchinson and Ryan Leaf to challenge him but no one we brought in could beat him out. Carter played behind one of the worst Cowboy Olines in team history in 01 and 02. Granted he was a very average QB who didn't last long but we got a hell of alot more out of him than Barbie who was drafted in the first round to be a starter. He became not much more than a special teams player for his first 3 seasons. Doubt very seriously he will be back next year.

 

[KJJ]

WINNER!!! End of thread.

We got more than Julius Jones in that trade. Had the Cowboys not made that trade they wouldn't have had an extra first round pick and may have opted for Marcus Spears instead of Demarcus Ware with the 11th pick. Spears was viewed as the safer pick and the Cowboys had already been burned several times using high picks on pass rushers that went bust. Ware had just started climbing up draft boards a few weeks prior to the draft and some experts viewed him as a risky pick coming from a small college. Although Jackson has been a good back he's missed around a dozen games with injuries. Up until this season he's only had one real good season and that was back in 06. When you consider Julius Jones contributed all 4 seasons he was in Dallas and we got another player in that trade who's been a starter since their rookie year I don't consider that trade a bust.