Who should Ramsey replace, Church or Carr?

[BlindFaith]

I think you put the guy in a position that he is at his best. My own view I think once again he would make a good CB I think he will be an excellent FS

Just curious, what about him don't you think he can do at CB?

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Give me Patrick Peterson over Eric Berry any day. And a good QB will have days that they dominate any defense. That's why you mix up coverages. And having a CB than can lock down a WR is much more important in scheme versatility than a FS.

And I would take Ed Reed over Peterson but at the end of the day, it really depends on your scheme and your personnel. I don't agree with you on the CB vs Safety though. If you have a guy who can play the deep third, man up on a TE or WR in the slot or come up and play the run in the box, that is a guy who provides a lot of flexibility and it allows your CBs to play tighter. It's fine, we don't agree but to me, the value of a FS is much more important to this team then is a CB. There is no Deon out there but there are a few pretty good Safeties.

 

[Doomsday101]

Just curious, what about him don't you think he can do at CB?

I just think at his size and his range as a FS he will excel greater than at CB. If you took a Deion Sanders based on his attributes he was a pure CB but would never even consider him as a FS with Ramsey I see a guy who I think would be a perennial pro bowl FS

 

[Gaede]

What bugs me about Ramsey I don't see how he helps us get sacks or turnovers. We can stockpile corners til the cows come home, but it doesn't seem to actually do anything for us

 

[BlindFaith]

What bugs me about Ramsey I don't see how he helps us get sacks or turnovers. We can stockpile corners til the cows come home, but it doesn't seem to actually do anything for us

I do agree with that. But if you go by taking Best Player Available, that will be Ramsey, if he's there at 4.

There's talk about Floyd going top 10. He's a guy that could play SAM backer for us and then also put his hand down and rush the passer. Elite level measurables. But he's more of a jack of all trades, master of none. You could justify paying him as the 4th pick by him playing essentially two positions. But I think it's still a bit too high for him.

I'd personally be looking under every rock I could find to learn about Lynch. If they think he has the potential to be an above average starter in a couple of years, I may just pull the trigger.

Our best bet is to find a trade down partner.

 

[BlindFaith]

I just think at his size and his range as a FS he will excel greater than at CB. If you took a Deion Sanders based on his attributes he was a pure CB but would never even consider him as a FS with Ramsey I see a guy who I think would be a perennial pro bowl FS

Why would you want to even consider Deion at FS? It would have been a complete waste. We just don't agree on the value of CB vs Safety. The NFL in general doesn't agree with you based on what Corners get paid vs what safeties get paid. As much as you want to talk about Earl Thomas, Sherman still get's paid 4 mill a year more.

 

[Doomsday101]

Why would you want to even consider Deion at FS? It would have been a complete waste. We just don't agree on the value of CB vs Safety. The NFL in general doesn't agree with you based on what Corners get paid vs what safeties get paid. As much as you want to talk about Earl Thomas, Sherman still get's paid 4 mill a year more.

I agree that a Deion Sanders was a great CB and any other spot in the secondary would have been a waste of talent. with Ramsey I think he could be a good CB I just think he would make an excellent FS and so do some other NFL teams who are listing him as a FS. I an not under valuing anything what I am doing is looking at what spot gets the most out of his ability and sorry FS has been a big position for several SB teams be it Lott with the 9ers, Reed with the Ravens or Polamalu with the Steelers they are ball hawking players who when allowed to face up on the QB and use their ability to cover ground to make big plays and all were key players to their teams success. I don't down play any position in the NFL, when you are weak in any area it can cost you big. Lastly in terms of cost? who cares I am interested in wins not how much a player is getting paid.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Why would you want to even consider Deion at FS? It would have been a complete waste. We just don't agree on the value of CB vs Safety. The NFL in general doesn't agree with you based on what Corners get paid vs what safeties get paid. As much as you want to talk about Earl Thomas, Sherman still get's paid 4 mill a year more.

I would say this. If I thought we were committed to playing more of a Press or Man to Man scheme and if I thought that one of the best players available to us were a CB, I would be much more open to it. I just don't know that this is what we are trying to do. I also don't believe that Ramsey is a better CB prospect. JMO

 

[dfense]

If they draft Ramsey, their next move is cutting Carr and his albatross of a contract.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

If we take Ramsey at #4 he needs to be a lockdown corner. Carr is a liability and needs to be replaced. He loses sight of where the ball is and commits a lot of PI's.

If he's not a lockdown corner there is no reason to draft him. I am sick of all the mediocrity we've had at that position over the years. Hasn't been a great one since Deion.

 

[Doomsday101]

I would say this. If I thought we were committed to playing more of a Press or Man to Man scheme and if I thought that one of the best players available to us were a CB, I would be much more open to it. I just don't know that this is what we are trying to do. I also don't believe that Ramsey is a better CB prospect. JMO

I agree heck if I was going straight up CB then I would go with Vernon Hargreaves

 

[KJJ]

If he's not a lockdown corner there is no reason to draft him. I am sick of all the mediocrity we've had at that position over the years. Hasn't been a great one since Deion.

There's no point using the 4th overall pick on a corner who you can't line up against a Julio Jones or OBJ and not have to worry about it. With a top 5 pick that's what you're looking for in a corner and that's exactly what the Cowboys need if they want to improve the secondary.

 

[garyv]

Still might if they get a Joseph or Kearse later in the draft

I personally like Karl Joseph more than Ramsey and you could get him at #34

 

[rpntex]

Link or hyperbole?

Physically, Ramsey is very close to Patrick Peterson. A lock down corner still has much more value than a stud FS, especially when we don't have anything close to a lockdown corner and we did just spend a first round pick on a FS.

Yeah, it would be cool to have first rounders at every position. But it's just not realistic from a cap perspective.

Not hyperbole. I've heard several commentators on various radio shows say it. Ramsey is without equal as a safety, but he's not the best CB in the draft. If Dallas is taking him as a safety, or with some sort of "hybrid" role (Polamalu-like) in mind, then it's a good pick without question. If we're taking him with the thought of him strictly playing CB, then why not take one of the guys who's rated higher at that position? Ramsey is not a lockdown corner, according to most scouts.

Don't get me wrong - I would be happy if Dallas takes him. He's the most gifted athlete in the class. However...if we're looking someone to play cornerback, exclusively, we can do better than Ramsey.

 

[ScipioCowboy]

I don't about you, but I'm tired of the secondary being both slow and chronically out of position. Carr is out of position frequently. Church is slow and out of position. Replace Church.

 

[BlindFaith]

Not hyperbole. I've heard several commentators on various radio shows say it. Ramsey is without equal as a safety, but he's not the best CB in the draft. If Dallas is taking him as a safety, or with some sort of "hybrid" role (Polamalu-like) in mind, then it's a good pick without question. If we're taking him with the thought of him strictly playing CB, then why not take one of the guys who's rated higher at that position? Ramsey is not a lockdown corner, according to most scouts.

Don't get me wrong - I would be happy if Dallas takes him. He's the most gifted athlete in the class. However...if we're looking someone to play cornerback, exclusively, we can do better than Ramsey.

Mayock and others have him as the top rated corner. If you have access to most scouts, then kiddos to you. And I personally don't put any stock in radio show talent evaluators.

I happen to think he's the best DB in the draft, corner or safety.