Who Was in Charge of the Draft?

[CowboyMcCoy]

Do you think it was more Jason Garrett or Jerry Jones? It didn't seem to me like Jason has much control and that Jerry was calling the shots.

Thoughts?

 

[jobberone]

I think this topic has been beat to death and there is no one particular person in charge and they try to work in concert. Having said that I believe that Jason and Jerry have the strongest votes followed closely by Cisnowski and Stephen. I think any of those could influence the others at times to take their view or desires on things. I don't think for one second though that Jerry is incapable or above throwing his weight around. I don't think he does that one iota of the frequency the conspiracy theorists believe here but I'd bet a huge sum of money it has happened more than once and a lot less than a lot.

 

[Frozen700]

Yup, this will be another Bash Jerry thread.

Jerry, what a Awful human being.

 

[CIWhitefish]

What does it really matter? What's the point?

 

[Idgit]

I think Jason's input is almost entirely in assembling the board. Then he has voting rights while Jerry navigates the draft waters in search of deals. If there's a disagreement, Jerry wins and Jason crosses his arms and rotates his chair away from Jerry for 30 minutes but wisely keeps his mouth mostly shut.

 

[tantrix1969]

I think Jason's input is almost entirely in assembling the board. Then he has voting rights while Jerry navigates the draft waters in search of deals. If there's a disagreement, Jerry wins and Jason crosses his arms and rotates his chair away from Jerry for 30 minutes but wisely keeps his mouth mostly shut.

I'd bet this is pretty close to how it goes down, with Stephen's vote counting more and more as we go on

 

[ethiostar]

I think Jason's input is almost entirely in assembling the board. Then he has voting rights while Jerry navigates the draft waters in search of deals. If there's a disagreement, Jerry wins and Jason crosses his arms and rotates his chair away from Jerry for 30 minutes but wisely keeps his mouth mostly shut.

:laugh2:

 

[AsthmaField]

I can tell you this much... since Garrett has been coach, I have noticed a difference in our drafts (more BPA) and a focus on good, tough, football players who are smart. Better choices all the way around.

The only change in that time is that Wade Phillips left the building and Garrett became head coach, so clearly Garrett has significant input into the process.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Do you think it was more Jason Garrett or Jerry Jones? It didn't seem to me like Jason has much control and that Jerry was calling the shots.

Thoughts?

I believe this tropic was covered by my insightful post yestiday. (see "So, who was in charge of this less than stellar draft?")

But I will take a stab at it.

By the amateurish approach to getting our picks, I think it was largely a Jerra-Stephen production.
Many fans are wondering who was in charge in pulling the trigger, so to speak. This concern speaks to the lack of faith in jerra and the growing lack of faith in Stephen.

I think Jerra tossed Jason and Kiffen a bone with that secondary guy selected in the mid rounds.

In short, Fredericik is solid but he was a reach.
The Escobar pick was a luxury we cannot afford when some good quality safeties and DLs were still around.

But in the final urinalysis, whoever was in charge, I thank the lucky stars that the fans were not in charge.

 

[lcharles]

I can tell you this much... since Garrett has been coach, I have noticed a difference in our drafts (more BPA) and a focus on good, tough, football players who are smart. Better choices all the way around.

The only change in that time is that Wade Phillips left the building and Garrett became head coach, so clearly Garrett has significant input into the process.

I agree with this.

I think there has been a notable change in the type player we have acquired since Garrett has been at the helm.

now if that translates into wins all will be happy.

 

[visionary]

the events that unfolded during the draft on camera and what Ciskowski said during his interview post draft clearly identified that it is jerry

and put to rest all this nonsense by the homers about how much input garrett has

 

[ChooChoo73]

Of course it was Jerry in charge. I think Cowboy fans are now in two categories: those who are tired of defending Jerry and those who still are willing to defend him and ignore his descent towards Al Davis 2.0.

 

[khiladi]

I can tell you this much... since Garrett has been coach, I have noticed a difference in our drafts (more BPA) and a focus on good, tough, football players who are smart. Better choices all the way around.

The only change in that time is that Wade Phillips left the building and Garrett became head coach, so clearly Garrett has significant input into the process.

Who are these guys that you see such a remarkable difference?

 

[Future]

I think Jason's input is almost entirely in assembling the board. Then he has voting rights while Jerry navigates the draft waters in search of deals. If there's a disagreement, Jerry wins and Jason crosses his arms and rotates his chair away from Jerry for 30 minutes but wisely keeps his mouth mostly shut.

:laugh2:

Honestly, considering the fact that Jerruh is owner and GM, that's probably how it has to be.

 

[superpunk]

What we did in the first round settled this once and for all time.

I don't think you'll see the "geniuses" who argued otherwise for quite some time.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Who are these guys that you see such a remarkable difference?

The players that they have drafted can actually compete in the NFL?

That is more than you can say about 2008-2010. Specifically though you can tell that demeanor and intelligence play a larger role in the evaluations than they have in the past.

Lee, Carter, Murray, Frederick, and Crawford come across as very intelligent at least to me. Most of the guys picked have been team captains and you don't see a lot of character risk types like Dez Bryant. No questionable work ethics with guys like Bennett, Choice, or Williams.

Just a lot less character risks taken ie more RKG as much as the cliche drives people nuts.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

What we did in the first round settled this once and for all time.

I don't think you'll see the "geniuses" who argued otherwise for quite some time.

I still don't know who has what input. I haven't bought any of the stories put out by anyone this entire time. If I want a story I will pick up my tab and start reading good fiction.

If you want to pretend like you have it figured out then so be it. To me the Frederick pick screams Stephen and not Jerry considering the engineering angle but I loathe to act sure when I really have facial expressions off of a camera to go by.

 

[AbeBeta]

I can tell you this much... since Garrett has been coach, I have noticed a difference in our drafts (more BPA) and a focus on good, tough, football players who are smart. Better choices all the way around.

The only change in that time is that Wade Phillips left the building and Garrett became head coach, so clearly Garrett has significant input into the process.

so pretty much like how Parcells would do it

 

[AbeBeta]

Lee, Carter, Murray, Frederick, and Crawford come across as very intelligent at least to me. Most of the guys picked have been team captains

Change the names and this was the evaluation of our 2005 draft

and you don't see a lot of character risk types like Dez Bryant. No questionable work ethics with guys like Bennett, Choice, or Williams.

Just a lot less character risks taken ie more RKG as much as the cliche drives people nuts.

Dez was a risk - but that risk made him a low first round pick. if he was from a better background and hadn't been in trouble and say, missed the time he did with a broken arm or something, he'd likely have been a top 5 pick

Bennett, Choice, and Williams -- none of these guys appeared to be Garrett faves.... hmm

 

[khiladi]

Lee, Carter, Murray, Frederick, and Crawford come across as very intelligent at least to me. Most of the guys picked have been team captains and you don't see a lot of character risk types like Dez Bryant.

When was Sean Lee drafted? And when was Wade Phillips fired? I must have miss thed best player on defense last year as well, Anthony Spencer, being drafted by Jason Garrett as well... Sean Lissemore? Let's see... Wade just got himself J.J. Watts with the Texans, probably potentially one of the best DL in the game. Uh, sorry, but Dan Reeves called Wade one of the best personnel people in the game.

The whole argument is predicated on the fact that Wade was drafting offense here. He possessed nowhere near the influence on the direction of this offense than Jason garrett. That is why Felix Jones was drafted over Chris Johnson. Roy Williams was brought in by Jerry, after asking Jason and Houck was brought in as coach as opposed to Solari. How many of the busted OL did we make during that train wreck? I mean, I guess Wade was in control of the offense. If you want to credit JG for Smith, well congratulation for a number 9 draft pick that Wade was never afforded on probably the best OL in the game at that time. And Dez was essentially a sure-fire, but I guess he was the RKG Jason liked in football players, right...

Now, we got Jerry Jones over-riding Jason Garrett to get a Center to protect Tony Romo in the middle, because Garrett, the six years he was here, couldn't find decent protection.