Who was more beneficial to Emmitt's career: Allen or Moose?

[percyhoward]

Emmitt owes his success to himself. Very few people in NFL history that you can truly say that about.

His individual success, no question. He was voted national player of the year by USA Today when he was in high school. Nobody talks about that offensive line.

 

[J_Allen]

And after that year, Smith was a good but not great back. You really miss here as the best and most dominant work was largely pre-Allen.

And if that's the case without Allen he would have been worse. We really ran him to death in 1995 and he did not seem the after, especially in 1996 when he suffered that neck injury.

 

[AbeBeta]

And if that's the case without Allen he would have been worse. We really ran him to death in 1995 and he did not seem the after, especially in 1996 when he suffered that neck injury.

No. The real difference came in 1998 when we decided to limit his work by not throwing to him and limiting his use as a pass blocker. If anything did more to extend his career, it was that. He looked just about done in 97. Another year of passing game responsibilities and he's likely looking at the end of his career.

 

[KJJ]

Probably the most underrated and underappreciated dynasty in NFL history.

Would have to disagree with that statement I've seen nothing but respect for our 90's teams. NFL Network had a ranking of the greatest teams in NFL history and ranked the 92 team as the 5th greatest team ever. A Football Life documented the Cowboys OL "The Great Wall of Dallas" which is a first for that series. Troy Aikman, Emmitt Smith and Larry Allen were first ballot Hall of Famers that shows respect and appreciation especially in regards to Aikman who only made the HOF due to those 3 championships. Troy didn't have the numbers to be a HOF QB but he got in on the first ballot due to those SB wins. Those great 90's teams had 5 Hall of Fame players not counting Deion.

What gained those teams a lot of respect was having to knock off two great teams in SF and Buffalo who also had several HOF players. The Cowboys knocked off SF twice in conference title games and the Bills twice in the SB and Buffalo is the only team in NFL history to ever reach 4 straight SB's. It's not like the Cowboys were running into cream puffs in the playoffs and SB they faced GREAT teams and were having to knock them off in multiple years. The Cowboys knocked off 3 teams SF, Buffalo and Green Bay during the postseason that were being led by future HOF QBs.

George Seifert said in an interview the 49ers became obsessed with trying to beat the Cowboys and were drafting and building their team with the goal of trying to knock them off. I've seen a lot of programs and read many articles praising our 90's teams. The Cowboys are the only team to ever win 3 SB's in 4 years. They reached the NFC title game 4 straight years with 2 different head coaches and had it not been for Jimmy's sudden departure after the 93 SB the Cowboys could have very well won 4 straight SB's.

 

[Vanilla2]

Troy was overrated because he had Irvin.

Irvin was overrated because he had Emmitt wearing down defenses.

Emmitt was overrated because of the offensive line.

The offensive line was pretty overrated because of the skill players.

The offense as a whole was overrated because of the defense.

The defense was overrated because the offense was great with TOP.

They won 3 Super Bowls in 4 years but there were no standout all time great teams... the 1999 Rams were better than any of those teams.

It wasn't a tough era.

Sincerely,
Haters everywhere

Yet if you put that same dynasty in pissburgh half the starters are in the hall

 

[jazzcat22]

Troy was overrated because he had Irvin.

Irvin was overrated because he had Emmitt wearing down defenses.

Emmitt was overrated because of the offensive line.

The offensive line was pretty overrated because of the skill players.

The offense as a whole was overrated because of the defense.

The defense was overrated because the offense was great with TOP.

They won 3 Super Bowls in 4 years but there were no standout all time great teams... the 1999 Rams were better than any of those teams.

It wasn't a tough era.

Sincerely,
Haters everywhere

Don't forget Novacek either...he was to Aikman in a way, that Witten is to Romo.
He helped that Offense more than people realize or some would admit to.

 

[KJJ]

Troy was overrated because he had Irvin.

Irvin was overrated because he had Emmitt wearing down defenses.

Emmitt was overrated because of the offensive line.

The offensive line was pretty overrated because of the skill players.

The offense as a whole was overrated because of the defense.

The defense was overrated because the offense was great with TOP.

They won 3 Super Bowls in 4 years but there were no standout all time great teams... the 1999 Rams were better than any of those teams.

It wasn't a tough era.

Sincerely,
Haters everywhere

Troy was underrated despite having Irvin due to his low passing numbers. The Cowboys offense revolved around Emmitt and the running game which kept Troy's yards/TD's down and kept Irvin from scoring many TD's. When Irvin made a big play he knew if he didn't score Emmitt would bang it in for the TD. Despite Emmitt being the all-time leading rusher he doesn't receive the respect a lot great backs do because of his OL.

The Cowboys 92 championship team was a standout team that's ranked in the top 5 all-time greatest teams in many rankings. As for the 99 Rams not every ranking has that team ranked in the top 10 and those who do have them ranked near the end of the top 10. You'll find many more rankings that have the 92 Cowboys ranked ahead of the 99 Rams. The 99 Rams were known for their offense The Greatest Show on Turf which is ranked a lot higher than the "team."

 

[Gameover]

I think Larry Allen is overrated.

 

[fortdick]

Troy was overrated because he had Irvin.

Irvin was overrated because he had Emmitt wearing down defenses.

Emmitt was overrated because of the offensive line.

The offensive line was pretty overrated because of the skill players.

The offense as a whole was overrated because of the defense.

The defense was overrated because the offense was great with TOP.

They won 3 Super Bowls in 4 years but there were no standout all time great teams... the 1999 Rams were better than any of those teams.

It wasn't a tough era.

Sincerely,
Haters everywhere

So, they were all over rated and didn't deserve the titles?

 

[fortdick]

I think Larry Allen is overrated.

Put down the pipe!

 

[KJJ]

I think Larry Allen is overrated.

If you're going to make a claim like that let's hear the reason why do you think he was overrated?

 

[Gameover]

If you're going to make a claim like that let's hear the reason why do you think he was overrated?

later

 

[Gameover]

Put down the pipe!

I'm smokin' because I disagree with group thought and perception?

He had a good 4 year run, he lived off rep the rest of his career.

 

[KJJ]

later

You're not coming back because you'll never come up with an answer to support your claim that Larry Allen was overrated. He was hands-down one of the all-time greatest players at his position and I have plenty of links I could post to support it.

 

[Gameover]

You're not coming back because you'll never come up with an answer to support your claim that Larry Allen was overrated. He was hands-down one of the all-time greatest players at his position.

For 4 years. Garbage in the 2000's

 

[bounce]

You guys don't really understand how to answer a multiple choice question, do you?

 

[KJJ]

He had a good 4 year run, he lived off rep the rest of his career.

For 4 years. Garbage in the 2000's.

A player can make Pro Bowls off rep but they don't earn All Pro honors off rep and Allen was a 7 time All Pro from 95-2001. So much for your claim that he had only a good 4 year run. Just because the team was in decline by 98 doesn't mean Allen was he was only 27 years old. Allen had 11 pro bowl seasons and if some of those were off rep then that shows just how great he was during his 7 All Pro years. It was the team that was "garbage" in the 2000's. Allen slowly started to decline like all great players after 10 years in the league but to say he only had a good 4 year run is complete nonsense.

 

[Q_the_man]

My favorite stat to point out when detractors claim the line made Emmit and immediately cite the only name they really know.

We had Newton who was a plan B FA, we had Tuinei and Gesek all 3 were basically castoffs. Emmitt help rejuvenate their careers. Then we had a young Step and EW.

Emmitt made the OL better, therefore the OL worked hard for Emmitt

 

[Nova]

Troy was underrated despite having Irvin due to his low passing numbers. The Cowboys offense revolved around Emmitt and the running game which kept Troy's yards/TD's down and kept Irvin from scoring many TD's. When Irvin made a big play he knew if he didn't score Emmitt would bang it in for the TD. Despite Emmitt being the all-time leading rusher he doesn't receive the respect a lot great backs do because of his OL.

The Cowboys 92 championship team was a standout team that's ranked in the top 5 all-time greatest teams in many rankings. As for the 99 Rams not every ranking has that team ranked in the top 10 and those who do have them ranked near the end of the top 10. You'll find many more rankings that have the 92 Cowboys ranked ahead of the 99 Rams. The 99 Rams were known for their offense The Greatest Show on Turf which is ranked a lot higher than the "team."

I post at another forum that has fans from all teams. According to other fans around the league, the 91 skins, 96 packers, 98 Broncos and 99 rams are all better.

 

[Nova]

We had Newton who was a plan B FA, we had Tuinei and Gesek all 3 were basically castoffs. Emmitt help rejuvenate their careers. Then we had a young Step and EW.

Emmitt made the OL better, therefore the OL worked hard for Emmitt

Yup. Couldn't agree more.

No one ever wants to hear that when discrediting Emmitt.