Who would you prefer to man the warroom helm on draft day

[BrAinPaiNt]

Parcells & Ireland or Jerry, Wade & Ireland.

This question/poll was asked by CoCo, not Brainpaint.

 

[Rampage]

i voted for wade and co. i thought parcells did some good things but i don't like the "parcells guy" thing.

 

[superpunk]

Yellow beard.

He'd nail Wade to the table.

 

[SDogo]

well we addressed the OL, did not take a TE, failed to waste our 2nd day picks on possible kick returners who have no upside at other positions and landed an extra first in next years draft.

I'll take Wade, Jones and Ireland

 

[YosemiteSam]

Wow, Parcells has a track record of drafting good players. Jerry and Wade do not yet they still choose Wade.

I see the love affair has begun.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Yellow beard.

He'd nail Wade to the table.

:laugh2:

 

[THUMPER]

well we addressed the OL, did not take a TE, failed to waste our 2nd day picks on possible kick returners who have no upside at other positions and landed an extra first in next years draft.

I'll take Wade, Jones and Ireland

Bingo!

 

[Pottsville Maroons]

well we addressed the OL, did not take a TE, failed to waste our 2nd day picks on possible kick returners who have no upside at other positions and landed an extra first in next years draft.

I'll take Wade, Jones and Ireland

Agreed. We need Ireland for personnel decisions and Jerry for the wheeling and dealing.

Wow, Parcells has a track record of drafting good players. Jerry and Wade do not yet they still choose Wade.

I see the love affair has begun.

Personally, having Ireland as the one constant in either scenario is what makes this a fairly easy decision. Parcells furthered Ireland's scouting education and Ireland remains with the team in the same, if not greater capacity. Even while Bill was here, he was giving Ireland a lot of praise and some credit for "Bill's" drafts. I'll grant you Stanback, but hopefully Ireland's drafts will be free of pet cats. We didn't reach for players such as Jacob Rogers and seemed to get good value at each pick, including Stanback, who a lot of other teams presumably were targeting early in round 4, as well.

 

[Big Dakota]

Yellow beard.

He'd nail Wade to the table.

I don't know dude, Wade looks like quite the swashbuckler.

 

[BLT]

love how most picked Wade Jerry and Ireland.. Wades draft record isnt great and from when Jimmy Johnson left till Parcells came ... Jerry did AWFUL! the last 4 years weve gotten some serious quality players.. how quickly every 1 forgets..

 

[superpunk]

I don't know dude, Wade looks like quite the swashbuckler.

Yeah...but he's got HUGE tracts of land. And YB would totally nail them to the table.

 

[Big Dakota]

Yeah...but he's got HUGE tracts of land. And YB would totally nail them to the table.

You got me on that one, but would YB turn on Jerry and nail him? Then we'd have YB running the Cowboys.

 

[dogunwo]

Buddy Ryan and Kevin Gilbride

 

[YosemiteSam]

Personally, having Ireland as the one constant in either scenario is what makes this a fairly easy decision. Parcells furthered Ireland's scouting education and Ireland remains with the team in the same, if not greater capacity. Even while Bill was here, he was giving Ireland a lot of praise and some credit for "Bill's" drafts. I'll grant you Stanback, but hopefully Ireland's drafts will be free of pet cats. We didn't reach for players such as Jacob Rogers and seemed to get good value at each pick, including Stanback, who a lot of other teams presumably were targeting early in round 4, as well.

I'm not just grading Parcells on what he has done here as a Cowboy. I'm grading him on the Giants, Jets, Patriots, and here as a Cowboy. Then I'm grading Jerry Jones on the time he didn't have Parcells and didn't have Jimmy Johnson. I'm grading Wade on his time in Denver and Buffalo. Without question, Parcells has had far better results at drafting than Phillips and Jerry combined. You point our Rogers and Peterman as 2004 Parcells failures, I point out 2005's draft class. The closest player to a failure in that class is Justin Beriault.

• Demarcus Ware
• Marcus Spears
• Kevin Burnett
• Marion Barber
• Chris Canty
• Justin Beriault
• Rob Petitti
• Jay Ratliff

Everyone in that class except Beriault either started for a team, or played a considerable amount of time since being drafted. Petitti didn't play much last year, but he played well enough for the Cowboys that Payton snatched him up when the Cowboys let him go. Obviously Payton thinks he is a developmental player with upside starting potential.

He also drafted Patrick Crayton (7th round), Terence Newman, Jason Witten, Bradie James, Jacques Reeves (7th round), Nathan Jones (7th round), Sam Hurd (undrafted), Austin Miles (undrafted), Jason Hatcher, Tony Romo (undrafted), etc.

I noted undrafted and 7th rounders because when you get contributors that late in the draft, its a major deal.

While Payton found Romo, it was Parcells that brought him in and decided he could be the QB of the future. Obvisouly, Jones didn't think to much of him and wasn't exactly on board when Parcells swapped Bledsoe with Romo.

I'll take Parcells thank you!

 

[Pottsville Maroons]

I'm not just grading Parcells on what he has done here as a Cowboy. I'm grading him on the Giants, Jets, Patriots, and here as a Cowboy. Then I'm grading Jerry Jones on the time he didn't have Parcells and didn't have Jimmy Johnson. I'm grading Wade on his time in Denver and Buffalo. Without question, Parcells has had far better results at drafting than Phillips and Jerry combined. You point our Rogers and Peterman as 2004 Parcells failures, I point out 2005's draft class. The closest player to a failure in that class is Justin Beriault.

• Demarcus Ware
• Marcus Spears
• Kevin Burnett
• Marion Barber
• Chris Canty
• Justin Beriault
• Rob Petitti
• Jay Ratliff

Everyone in that class except Beriault either started for a team, or played a considerable amount of time since being drafted. Petitti didn't play much last year, but he played well enough for the Cowboys that Payton snatched him up when the Cowboys let him go. Obviously Payton thinks he is a developmental player with upside starting potential.

He also drafted Patrick Crayton (7th round), Terence Newman, Jason Witten, Bradie James, Jacques Reeves (7th round), Nathan Jones (7th round), Sam Hurd (undrafted), Austin Miles (undrafted), Jason Hatcher, Tony Romo (undrafted), etc.

I noted undrafted and 7th rounders because when you get contributors that late in the draft, its a major deal.

While Payton found Romo, it was Parcells that brought him in and decided he could be the QB of the future. Obvisouly, Jones didn't think to much of him and wasn't exactly on board when Parcells swapped Bledsoe with Romo.

I'll take Parcells thank you!

My point is that, with Ireland still here, it's the best of both worlds: You get BP's evaluation skills AND JJ's business acumen.

 

[Angus]

nyc, that list of yours is a mishmash, I'm afraid.

Nobody knows who really is responsible for those picks. Ireland could be responsible for the good ones selected while Parcells was in Dallas, or it could have been Jones who pulled rank on some of them. Also, nobody knows who had the say-so in New York, Buffalo or Denver.

I have a suspicion that Ireland is a better evaluator of talent than Parcells is now and has been for a couple of years. Jones now realizes Ireland's expertise, I think, and is more likely to follow his lead than Parcells would be. Hence, I'll take the second choice.

 

[Pottsville Maroons]

NYC-

I'm not disagreeing w/ you at all about Jerry's skills at player evaluation. On this, we agree. But Jerry already said he relied on Ireland this year regarding player evaluation. So I don't see that the debate should be between Bill and Jerry, it's more a case of Jerry trusting Ireland vs. Bill possibly overruling him, which is why I used the Jacob Rogers example.

 

[BouncingCheese]

I am tired of BP drafting huge and slow lb's and defensive players who only fit his style, which by the way doesn't work in today's game ( or not as well as it used to; players are so much faster these days)

As much As I really don't like Jerrah at GM that much, and I wish only Ireland was running the whole thing, I like Ireland Jerrah and Wade more than BP.... Wade has power in the GM room? haha

 

[YosemiteSam]

nyc, that list of yours is a mishmash, I'm afraid.

Nobody knows who really is responsible for those picks. Ireland could be responsible for the good ones selected while Parcells was in Dallas, or it could have been Jones who pulled rank on some of them. Also, nobody knows who had the say-so in New York, Buffalo or Denver.

I have a suspicion that Ireland is a better evaluator of talent than Parcells is now and has been for a couple of years. Jones now realizes Ireland's expertise, I think, and is more likely to follow his lead than Parcells would be. Hence, I'll take the second choice.

As I noted in my post. I'm not judging Parcells only by his picks in Dallas. I'm judging him by his picks in NYG, NYJ, NE, and Dallas. Everywhere he has been he has drafted some VERY good players.

• Leonard Marshall - 3 Pro Bowls
• Carl Banks - Hall of Fame
• Jeff Hostetler - 1 Pro Bowl and Superbowl winning QB
• Mark Bavaro - 2 Pro Bowls
• Pepper Johnson - 2 Pro Bowls
• Dave Meggett - 2 Pro Bowls
• Rodney Hampton - 2 Pro Bowls
• Drew Bledsoe 4 Pro Bowls
• Willie McGinest 2 Pro Bowls
• Ty Law 4 Pro Bowls
• Curtis Martin 5 Pro Bowls
• Terry Glenn 1 Pro Bowl
• Tedy Bruschi 1 Pro Bowl

These are just some of his draft choices before coming to Dallas. There maybe more, but I don't feel like looking up all the players he drafted.

NYC-

I'm not disagreeing w/ you at all about Jerry's skills at player evaluation. On this, we agree. But Jerry already said he relied on Ireland this year regarding player evaluation. So I don't see that the debate should be between Bill and Jerry, it's more a case of Jerry trusting Ireland vs. Bill possibly overruling him, which is why I used the Jacob Rogers example.

I think Bill had the final say (for the most part) on his draft choices. He would listen to what his guys said and then make a gut choice. Obviously he failed on Peterman and Rogers. I'm not saying he was the best talent evaluator out there, I'm just saying by looking at his past. I think he is better than both Phillips and Jones put together. I think they are lucky to have Ireland and Ireland learned a lot from Parcells I'm sure, but my point remains. Judging by the past of everyone involved, we are better off with Parcells here than without him in the current situation.

 

[Billy Bullocks]

well we addressed the OL, did not take a TE, failed to waste our 2nd day picks on possible kick returners who have no upside at other positions and landed an extra first in next years draft.

I'll take Wade, Jones and Ireland

Ill agree with the TE cmment. That's about it.

Addressed the OL? BP did that too. Lets see if these guys actually pan out.

Stanbeck isnt a 2nd day pick for a possible return guy?

Parcells never landed an additional 1st the next year?

So besidse one point, everything else you said was wrong.