Why all the love for Delmas ???

[garyv]

I would just like to know what Delmas would bring to the Cowboys especially at #51 ??? I just don't know if I'm all impressed by him being our Safety of the future. From what I've seen hes aggressive but tries to play bigger than what he really is and I'm afraid that will catch up to him in the NFL. Also he seems to lack speed and intelligence to play the position. Your opinion please.....

 

[Aven8]

I said it in another thread....I think we go McBath on the cheap in the 4th or 5th if he's still around. Not Delmas, Chung, or Moore.

 

[Typhus]

Ive been confused with all the WR/S love on day one as well.

Any WR we take at 51 will be no better than Austin, and Sensabaugh is "good enough" to start, and develop a safety we draft later.

With Free and McQ as the only depth at OT, you would think there would be more interest on this board for a guy like Fenuki from Oregon.

Not saying Fenuki will be there at 51, no way, might slip within 6-7 picks, around 43 maybe, but I wouldnt move up for any other position other than OT in this draft.

 

[Hostile]

No one should ever be allowed opinions. Off with their heads.

:chop:

 

[CATCH17]

Ive been confused with all the WR/S love on day one as well.

Any WR we take at 51 will be no better than Austin, and Sensabaugh is "good enough" to start, and develop a safety we draft later.

With Free and McQ as the only depth at OT, you would think there would be more interest on this board for a guy like Fenuki from Oregon.

Not saying Fenuki will be there at 51, no way, might slip within 6-7 picks, around 43 maybe, but I wouldnt move up for any other position other than OT in this draft.

Because those are expected to be the best players left on the board.


The great thing about the draft though is 2 or 3 teams will go in a completely different direction than people thought and players will slide.


I think Dallas will trade up somewhere in the late 30's or early 40's in this draft and snag someone who falls because of that.

 

[DFWJC]

Any WR we take at 51 will be no better than Austin, and Sensabaugh is "good enough" to start, and develop a safety we draft later.

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Right out of the gate that is almost certainly true. Later in the year, and much more importantly in the future, there's a chance someone picked at #51 could end up being FAR better than Austin. Or best case scenario, Austin actually does begin to provide production (which I think he can) and a WR taken at 51 also become a a great player.

Desean Jackson went at 49 last year for example.

I would just take BPA, and if a nice WR falls to us there, then I say take him....but no reaching.

 

[Typhus]

No one should ever be allowed opinions. Off with their heads.

:chop:

I just want everyone to agree with me all the time... is that so bad?
:bang2:

 

[Typhus]

Because those are expected to be the best players left on the board.


The great thing about the draft though is 2 or 3 teams will go in a completely different direction than people thought and players will slide.


I think Dallas will trade up somewhere in the late 30's or early 40's in this draft and snag someone who falls because of that.

Ive always been about BPA, you usually end up with a sound draft, but this year, I just feel the "need" is there to grab one of the last good pedigree OL in this draft.
Not a lot of confidence in Free and McQ.... sorry.

 

[Woods]

Ive always been about BPA, you usually end up with a sound draft, but this year, I just feel the "need" is there to grab one of the last good pedigree OL in this draft.
Not a lot of confidence in Free and McQ.... sorry.

In the 2nd round, if we stay at 51, the best value on the OL will likely be at C/OG, not OT.

At OT, I think P Loadholt is generally rated the best after the top 6 or so in Round 1/early Round 2.

 

[Typhus]

In the 2nd round, if we stay at 51, the best value on the OL will likely be at C/OG, not OT.

At OT, I think P Loadholt is generally rated the best after the top 6 or so in Round 1/early Round 2.

Agreed, but at what point in the near future is this team going to be in the position in a draft as deep as this one at OT, to be within reach?

Im not saying that we are drafting a replacement for Flo immidiately, but Im sure most would agree, he has lost some gas, and the position is in dire "need" of quality depth, not just another body, we have had plenty of those.

No better scenario than this draft on saturday to move up a few spots if one slips within reach, and grab a good one for Hudson to actually work with and mold into a future replacement.

Just my opinion of course, but after Troy Kropog, and Fenuki, their is a completely different tier of talent.

 

[Woods]

Agreed, but at what point in the near future is this team going to be in the position in a draft as deep as this one at OT, to be within reach?

Im not saying that we are drafting a replacement for Flo immidiately, but Im sure most would agree, he has lost some gas, and the position is in dire "need" of quality depth, not just another body, we have had plenty of those.

No better scenario this this draft on saturday to move up a few spots if one slips within reach, and grab a good one for Hudson to actually work with and mold into a future replacement.

I agree we really need to groom an OT, but unfortunately without our 1st rounder, I really doubt a top OT slips very far.

I think if we want a top one, we'll have to give up quite a lot to move into Round 1 or early in Round 2. Frankly said, the top 5 OTs may be gone by the top 25 picks.

This may be the year to solidify the C/OG depth, and then next year, we draft a top OT to develop.

That said, opinion seems split on P Loadholt. But from everything I've read, he's definitely more of a RT or G in the pros, not a LT.

Finally, I wish there was some more reporting on Doug Free. You'd think by now he's added strength and weight and improved his technique. Unfortuantely, the press focused more on TO and stuff like that, and even in the rare PCs with Wade and JJ, no one really discusses players like Free/McQ, etc.

And lastly regarding Free, if he isn't suited for LT, is he a potentially capable player at RT? (In that case, P Loadholt, for example, may be somewhat redundant and we should focus more on the interior of the OL.)

 

[reddyuta]

We need another Franchise LT and thats only happen in the next draft.

 

[Canadian BoyzFan]

I would just like to know what Delmas would bring to the Cowboys especially at #51 ??? I just don't know if I'm all impressed by him being our Safety of the future. From what I've seen hes aggressive but tries to play bigger than what he really is and I'm afraid that will catch up to him in the NFL. Also he seems to lack speed and intelligence to play the position. Your opinion please.....

Say what you want about Delmas, however not recognizing that Delmas at 51 would be a coup. In fact, I've been trumpeting to anyone who will listen that Delmas will be long GONE by the time 51 comes around. Those who are expecting Delmas to be taken by Dallas at 51 are delluded and wishing.

It ain't happening. Trade up or look elsewhere.

/end rant

 

[jterrell]

Delmas is a solid cover safety who has CB experience but also tackles well.

He had over 300 career tackles. The coaches at Western Michigan rave about him and he started 4 years for them including as a CB as a freshman. He came out of a Florida high school powerhouse and has won on every level. He only ended up at Western Michigan after turning down much larger schools because his high school coach steered him to West Mich where he could start as a freshman.

I have only the combine and senior bowl of him to watch but he is extremely good in both. At the Combine he looks agile and athletic. At the Senior Bowl he played FS and did so very well. William Moore for instance looked bad at the Senior Bowl.

Right now Chung and Delmas look like the two safeties to choose between at 51. Chung is a bigger hitter with a thicker body and Delmas is a little more lithe and has more coverage experience. Those with the Roy Williams curse stuck in their heads like me then obviously prefer Delmas.

As to why safety... it is probably the weakest position on the team overall. It was clearly the weakest in that Baltimore loss and most weeks down the stretch. We were adding street free agents and before long playing them.

We have Hamlin who is on a big contract but coming off an injury-plagued down year and Sensabaugh who is a one year guy with off-field issues on a 1 year deal. Thus Safety is really the glaring weakness.

And of course a couple safeties just happen to rank about the 51st best prospects in this class.

All that said I'd be most ok with any value pick and especially with Robiskie who supposedly has admirers at VR.

 

[YosemiteSam]

I said it in another thread....I think we go McBath on the cheap in the 4th or 5th if he's still around. Not Delmas, Chung, or Moore.

I like Sherrod Martin out of Troy.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

We have an issue at Safety that is quite pressing. The guy we signed is on a one year deal and lets say he plays awesome do you really want to bank on it being nothing more than a 1 year, contract situation, kind of awesome the way Hamlin's appeared to be thus far?

Cause that's what you're looking at here. The guy you signed either plays here one year, while you develope a young man to take his spot as the starter either late this season or the start of next or you wind up paying him to stick around next year so that you can develope someone then.

Get a safety now, start developing him to hopefully work into the starting line up this season, and don't bank on that guy being your savior, like we did with Hamlin, and wind up giving up a bunch of money after one season, only to be disappointed with the drop off the next.

With a rookie you're going to get 4 years, at least, to see just how much he's going to improve, and provide, without having to shell out a load of cash, to quickly, to see if he's worth it.

 

[JIMMYBUFFETT]

I like Sherrod Martin out of Troy.

Meeeeee tooooooo ! I'd love to get Delmas , Chung , or Moore at SS and still be able to pick up a FS like Martin too . I just want some playmakers in the secondary , and don't really care what their last name is .

 

[jterrell]

I like Sherrod Martin out of Troy.

Martin is intriguing but he has some injury concerns and is not a good contact player. He may project better as a CB actually.

McBath, I watched far more than any scout I'd guess as a Tech homer and I can say he is a solid player but not a future plus NFL starter. The other Tech safety (Charbonnet) made almost as many plays (7 picks and 75 tackles for McBath; 5 picks 61 tackles for Charbonnet but McBath played in one more game) and he was brand new to the system transferring over from Duke.

If we want a guy in r3 Rashad Johnson would be target.

 

[Woods]

I think the two most pressing needs include

1. Safety

2. ILB (we have virtually nothing behind B James and Brooking, who is about 33 years old)

 

[Canadian BoyzFan]

I think the two most pressing needs include

1. Safety

2. ILB (we have virtually nothing behind B James and Brooking, who is about 33 years old)

Agreed.

Only problem is that this class of ILB's aside from maybe the top 2 are terrible. Most of the others are either undersized or have other question marks. Brinkley is the most intriquing to me but some of his game tape is rough.