Why all the love for Delmas ???

[jterrell]

I think the two most pressing needs include

1. Safety

2. ILB (we have virtually nothing behind B James and Brooking, who is about 33 years old)

That would be my top 2 as well. If we expect to move Greg Ellis OLB becomes added to that mix.

I generally have an ILB in all mocks by round 5 if not higher.

 

[Chief]

With Free and McQ as the only depth at OT, you would think there would be more interest on this board for a guy like Fenuki from Oregon.

That's the way I feel.

I don't like focusing on a specific need, but Dallas lacks quality depth, and I think it's especially scary when you look at the offensive line. I would like to see them come out of this draft with three offensive linemen (including a left tackle).

 

[Woods]

Agreed.

Only problem is that this class of ILB's aside from maybe the top 2 are terrible. Most of the others are either undersized or have other question marks. Brinkley is the most intriquing to me but some of his game tape is rough.

I think Brinkley could play on running downs for sure. I'd be ok with him. Also, I think Kruger and Veikune could play ILB in Wade's defense. I know we've shown interest in Veikune as well.

Hopefully, Carpenter can play nickel.

If Carp can't even be trusted to play nickel, let's just get his replacement this weekend. There are several cover LBs out there. (I'm sure the coaching staff already has an opinion on Carp and being able to play the nickel right now.)

 

[jterrell]

That's the way I feel.

I don't like focusing on a specific need, but Dallas lacks quality depth, and I think it's especially scary when you look at the offensive line. I would like to see them come out of this draft with three offensive linemen (including a left tackle).

Two problems for me there.

1) I can't rate OL.
2) The Dallas Cowboys can't rate OL.


lol.

Seriously, if you were to tell me we could get the kid from Virginia I'd be all for it. Or Andre Smith for that matter. He is a Larry Allen starter kit if I ever saw one. But at 51 we are talking about the 6th or 7th LT on the board and that just isn't good value imho.

So I'd love to see us get an interior OL or two and wait til 2010 for that big tackle in round 1.


*** As a side note here our back up LT is really Bigg Davis. It is pretty clear he'd get the job if Flo went out long term.

 

[jterrell]

I think Brinkley could play on running downs for sure. I'd be ok with him. Also, I think Kruger and Veikune could play ILB in Wade's defense. I know we've shown interest in Veikune as well.

Hopefully, Carpenter can play nickel.

If Carp can't even be trusted to play nickel, let's just get his replacement this weekend. There are several cover LBs out there. (I'm sure the coaching staff already has an opinion on Carp and being able to play the nickel right now.)

Haven't the Cowboys demonstrated their faith in Carp by consistently benching him?? I mean he would get time in the nickel for Burnett but as soon as Burnett was healthy he got his job back and the Cowboys basically waived sayanora to Burnett without even giving him a "you will be missed" card.

When a coach is as player friendly as Wade calls you soft and repeatedly benches you what does that mean?

We better draft an ILB who can play nickel imho.

I think we'll be most willing to add Carpenter to a draft day deal to move up a few slots if we ever see an ILB fall into range of a get.

 

[Typhus]

Two problems for me there.

1) I can't rate OL.
2) The Dallas Cowboys can't rate OL.


lol.

Seriously, if you were to tell me we could get the kid from Virginia I'd be all for it. Or Andre Smith for that matter. He is a Larry Allen starter kit if I ever saw one. But at 51 we are talking about the 6th or 7th LT on the board and that just isn't good value imho.

So I'd love to see us get an interior OL or two and wait til 2010 for that big tackle in round 1.

Larry Allen was drafted with the 46th pick, and was the 10th OL taken at that point ... just saying.

 

[jterrell]

Larry Allen was drafted with the 46th pick ... just saying.

That was Lacewell's one rabbit.

fwiw, Flo was 37/8 and Gurode was 30s as well if I recall correctly.

Bigg was a top 10. Columbo was 29.

In another words the only current OL starter we have who was drafted below pick 50 was Kyle Kosier.

 

[Canadian BoyzFan]

Haven't the Cowboys demonstrated their faith in Carp by consistently benching him?? I mean he would get time in the nickel for Burnett but as soon as Burnett was healthy he got his job back and the Cowboys basically waived sayanora to Burnett without even giving him a "you will be missed" card.

When a coach is as player friendly as Wade calls you soft and repeatedly benches you what does that mean?

We better draft an ILB who can play nickel imho.

I think we'll be most willing to add Carpenter to a draft day deal to move up a few slots if we ever see an ILB fall into range of a get.

If we are looking for strictly a Nickel LB, then it will likely be one of the undersized guys. Beckwith perhaps.

 

[Chief]

Two problems for me there.

1) I can't rate OL.
2) The Dallas Cowboys can't rate OL.


lol.

I can't either.

I had high hopes for the triumvirate of Marten, Free and McQuistan.

One of them is gone and the other two haven't made the push I was expecting.

Add that to the Rogers/Peterman draft and and the Al Johnson reach and it's disappointing.

 

[jterrell]

If we are looking for strictly a Nickel LB, then it will likely be one of the undersized guys. Beckwith perhaps.

I really like Beckwith tbh. It just matters where he falls. A pure nickel guy like that makes sense no higher than r3 to me.

 

[Canadian BoyzFan]

I really like Beckwith tbh. It just matters where he falls. A pure nickel guy like that makes sense no higher than r3 to me.

Yeah, if he's there with the first pick in the fourth....I'd be OK. Not a fan of his in third especially where we pick.

2nd- OL/S
3rd S or WR (I don't like much OL from what is left in third)
4th (ILB/OLB/WR)

 

[Alexander]

I can't either.

I had high hopes for the triumvirate of Marten, Free and McQuistan.

One of them is gone and the other two haven't made the push I was expecting.

Add that to the Rogers/Peterman draft and and the Al Johnson reach and it's disappointing.

Part of the issue is the instability we have had in our philosophy for years. When Coach Parcells came here, he had Warhop, who he was clearly at odds with. Then Sparano took over and we went to more mobile linemen (hence people like Free and McQuistan). Now we apparently want to go back to the planet theory and have mashers under Houck.

It all points to a breakdown between the scouting department and the coaching staff as to what fits the system (if we even have one). Since we keep changing it every three years or so, that's an issue. It is one reason why I believe Free is no longer a good fit.

We need to have an organizational philosophy and have everyone on the same page instead of changing it around every time we change OL coaches. If not, we will have linemen bust out after two or three seasons because the new coach doesn't want that type of player. Change the staff (which we are likely to do again next year) and the cycle repeats itself.

 

[Typhus]

That was Lacewell's one rabbit.

fwiw, Flo was 37/8 and Gurode was 30s as well if I recall correctly.

Bigg was a top 10. Columbo was 29.

In another words the only current OL starter we have who was drafted below pick 50 was Kyle Kosier.

Maybe Im in the wrong thread, if so my bad,,, but Im completely in compliance
with the fact/notion, that there will be "no" OT worthy that makes it to the 51.
The 3rd tier... IMO.... breaks at or around 42, so what I have been saying basically is the only position I see worthy of moving up for is OT/G, since the value is higher at that point, for the price, to move up - VS - sitting still and taking BPA.

 

[Arch Stanton]

Ive been confused with all the WR/S love on day one as well.

Any WR we take at 51 will be no better than Austin, and Sensabaugh is "good enough" to start, and develop a safety we draft later.

With Free and McQ as the only depth at OT, you would think there would be more interest on this board for a guy like Fenuki from Oregon.

Not saying Fenuki will be there at 51, no way, might slip within 6-7 picks, around 43 maybe, but I wouldnt move up for any other position other than OT in this draft.

I dont understand why we'd draft a S anyway. I'd rather we drafted OL, DL and LB.

 

[Chief]

Part of the issue is the instability we have had in our philosophy for years. When Coach Parcells came here, he had Warhop, who he was clearly at odds with. Then Sparano took over and we went to more mobile linemen (hence people like Free and McQuistan). Now we apparently want to go back to the planet theory and have mashers under Houck.

It all points to a breakdown between the scouting department and the coaching staff as to what fits the system (if we even have one). Since we keep changing it every three years or so, that's an issue. It is one reason why I believe Free is no longer a good fit.

We need to have an organizational philosophy and have everyone on the same page instead of changing it around every time we change OL coaches. If not, we will have linemen bust out after two or three seasons because the new coach doesn't want that type of player. Change the staff (which we are likely to do again next year) and the cycle repeats itself.

Good points, all.

At least Dallas has a versatile guy like Cory Procter who can suck in any system.

 

[Typhus]

Part of the issue is the instability we have had in our philosophy for years. When Coach Parcells came here, he had Warhop, who he was clearly at odds with. Then Sparano took over and we went to more mobile linemen (hence people like Free and McQuistan). Now we apparently want to go back to the planet theory and have mashers under Houck.

It all points to a breakdown between the scouting department and the coaching staff as to what fits the system (if we even have one). Since we keep changing it every three years or so, that's an issue. It is one reason why I believe Free is no longer a good fit.

We need to have an organizational philosophy and have everyone on the same page instead of changing it around every time we change OL coaches. If not, we will have linemen bust out after two or three seasons because the new coach doesn't want that type of player. Change the staff (which we are likely to do again next year) and the cycle repeats itself.

Bingo... big part of the problem and hence directly a part of the reason this team is encountering the instability of depth at the position.

 

[jterrell]

Yeah, if he's there with the first pick in the fourth....I'd be OK. Not a fan of his in third especially where we pick.

2nd- OL/S
3rd S or WR (I don't like much OL from what is left in third)
4th (ILB/OLB/WR)

That's the problem I keep seeing the mocks. The value seems a bad fit where we select so we'd need to move around a bit.

If we dropped in r3 or moved up into late r3 more options open up imho.

nfldraftscout ranks him 91. I'd be fine getting hima round there but LB is pretty scarce so he may be reached for.

at drafttek the simulations show LBs almost always being reached for by 10-12 slots.

 

[Alexander]

I dont understand why we'd draft a S anyway. I'd rather we drafted OL, DL and LB.

You take the best player. It is really not that hard and you certainly don't want to predispose yourself to position on a round by round basis. That's where you get into trouble and that is when you reach.

Optimally, you would want to solve the issues on the lines first. But if Delmas is a better overall player than Phil Loadholt, Ron Brace or Derry Beckwith, you absolutely take him. But our biggest draft mistakes were thinking that we have to get this position solved first, so we take the highest ranked player at that position just to get it over with.

We are not that good that we can just think we can get away with doing that. Outside of ROLB, TE and QB, I can't think of a single position on this team I would simply not pick a player because we have the starting job committed.

 

[jterrell]

Maybe Im in the wrong thread, if so my bad,,, but Im completely in compliance
with the fact/notion, that there will be "no" OT worthy that makes it to the 51.
The 3rd tier... IMO.... breaks at or around 42, so what I have been saying basically is the only position I see worthy of moving up for is OT/G, since the value is higher at that point, for the price, to move up - VS - sitting still and taking BPA.

Nothing wrong with that thought bro except you'd be not only using our highest pick to move up but our highest pick plus some ammo and then you'd KNOW the guy is a bench player for sure early on. Flo is a good LT and Columbo has become a good RT. While we need better depth truth is Bigg is our 3rd OT and unless we can find a guy who can play OG/OT we'd jut have a prettier McQ imho.

Fans want Safety because it is a position where we can see immediate impact.

Plus who trusts us to draft OL?

We haven't drafted an OL starter in a decade it seems. So I'd be fine with us tossing some late picks at it or just continuing to grab free agents after they have developed elsewhere. OL is a position where you can look around and grab system fits in free agency with the exception of LT of course.

 

[Typhus]

Nothing wrong with that thought bro except you'd be not only using our highest pick to move up but our highest pick plus some ammo and then you'd KNOW the guy is a bench player for sure early on. Flo is a good LT and Columbo has become a good RT. While we need better depth truth is Bigg is our 3rd OT and unless we can find a guy who can play OG/OT we'd jut have a prettier McQ imho.

Fans want Safety because it is a position where we can see immediate impact.

Plus who trusts us to draft OL?

We haven't drafted an OL starter in a decade it seems. So I'd be fine with us tossing some late picks at it or just continuing to grab free agents after they have developed elsewhere. OL is a position where you can look around and grab system fits in free agency with the exception of LT of course.

Fenuki would challenge Kosier form day one in camp, thats all Im saying.
That upgrades the whole line, and gets quality youth at the very least into rotational playing time until he is ready to start.
Never said we would beable to replace Flo right now, nor would we want to, but you have to start getting some upgrade talent infused now inorder to cover LT when that time comes,, and its coming.