Why all the love for Delmas ???

[Typhus]

I'd be interested in those, thank you.

As Ive stated, i dont base my evaluations solely on mocks, and random rankings, but here are a couple of examples from various sources.

I will gladly eat crow if Fenuki is still on the board after the 2nd round.


http://newnfldraft.com/archives/577 at 43

http://thefootballexpert.com/2009nfldraftOT.html

http://warroomreport.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=348&Itemid=75


http://seahawknationblog.com/2008/12/2009-draft-prospect-rankings-by-position/

 

[jterrell]

As Ive stated, i dont base my evaluations solely on mocks, and random rankings, but here are a couple of examples from various sources.

I will gladly eat crow if Fenuki is still on the board after the 2nd round.


http://newnfldraft.com/archives/577 at 43

http://thefootballexpert.com/2009nfldraftOT.html

http://warroomreport.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=348&Itemid=75


http://seahawknationblog.com/2008/12/2009-draft-prospect-rankings-by-position/

Just to be clear I am not mad at you at all. He is a guy you value and you may well be right. But I would be mad if we selected him at 51 much less traded up to get him. On OL I have to trust the pundits and they rank him a r3-r4 guy. So in my opinion that would be a reach.

Now show me where Goose has him top 40 on his list Draft Morning and I'll come around.

 

[dfense]

I would just like to know what Delmas would bring to the Cowboys especially at #51 ??? I just don't know if I'm all impressed by him being our Safety of the future. From what I've seen hes aggressive but tries to play bigger than what he really is and I'm afraid that will catch up to him in the NFL. Also he seems to lack speed and intelligence to play the position. Your opinion please.....

If Dallas passes at 51, then he's going to Philly at 52. Bank on it.

 

[SLATEmosphere]

Because he'll probably be the BPA on Dallas's board at around picks 35-40 and the fact that we need a Safety also makes alot of sense. I believe New England will swoop him up at pick 35 though. If he isn't, then get ready for Delmas to be the newest member of the Dallas Cowboys.

I'll also take Nicks.lol

 

[dbair1967]

I would just like to know what Delmas would bring to the Cowboys especially at #51 ??? I just don't know if I'm all impressed by him being our Safety of the future. From what I've seen hes aggressive but tries to play bigger than what he really is and I'm afraid that will catch up to him in the NFL. Also he seems to lack speed and intelligence to play the position. Your opinion please.....

Its not hat hard really. Safety was the worst position on the team last yr, save maybe backup QB. They managed one int and very few passes defensed as a group. They were awful vs the run.

Delmas is regarded by most to be the best all around safety in the draft. He can play in space and has shown he 1) is a good tackler and 2) can play vs the pass.

We need that kind of player back there.

 

[STAR GAZER]

That's the way I feel.

I don't like focusing on a specific need, but Dallas lacks quality depth, and I think it's especially scary when you look at the offensive line. I would like to see them come out of this draft with three offensive linemen (including a left tackle).

Thank god someone is thinking the same as myself. Hopefully Valley Ranch is on board with this.

 

[ghst187]

I said it in another thread....I think we go McBath on the cheap in the 4th or 5th if he's still around. Not Delmas, Chung, or Moore.

or possibly Clemson S Hamlin. That might be confusing with two Hamlin's out there but hopefully one of them would be worth a darn.
I also like Rashad Johnson. I think either might be available in the 3rd.

 

[Hostile]

I just want everyone to agree with me all the time... is that so bad?
:bang2:

If I said yes, it is bad, it would be disagreeing with you and interrupting your stated desire.

 

[Shinywalrus]

You take the best player. It is really not that hard and you certainly don't want to predispose yourself to position on a round by round basis. That's where you get into trouble and that is when you reach.

Optimally, you would want to solve the issues on the lines first. But if Delmas is a better overall player than Phil Loadholt, Ron Brace or Derry Beckwith, you absolutely take him. But our biggest draft mistakes were thinking that we have to get this position solved first, so we take the highest ranked player at that position just to get it over with.

We are not that good that we can just think we can get away with doing that. Outside of ROLB, TE and QB, I can't think of a single position on this team I would simply not pick a player because we have the starting job committed.

You still have to operate within certain parameters - it's ultimately an optimization problem. Unless we trade Choice, we're not going to draft a HB. We can't carry him on the roster. We can't really draft more than one tight end, and two WRs is stretching it. We can only carry so many offensive linemen. We can only cut so many people before we enter cap hell. Best player available is, I think, a little harder than you say.

As you move forward in the draft, you constrain yourself further by your previous picks. If there are 8 legitimate 4-5 round grade offensive linemen, but a really thin crowd of defensive backs, it may very well be optimal to select a DB in the second round, even if you technically think you prefer an OL on a direct comparison basis. If you don't, you may force yourself into a position where you're faced with drafting BPA at a position where your roster can't hold any more players, or reaching for a position where you can.

Best Player Available, rigidly approached, doesn't work. You have to think of it as Best Draft Available, because every pick you make interacts with your existing roster to restrict viable options for every subsequent pick.

 

[Typhus]

If I said yes, it is bad, it would be disagreeing with you and interrupting your stated desire.

OK, now I had to think about that one for awhile... confusing yet genius..
Almost
Confucius like in nature.

 

[Typhus]

Just to be clear I am not mad at you at all. He is a guy you value and you may well be right. But I would be mad if we selected him at 51 much less traded up to get him. On OL I have to trust the pundits and they rank him a r3-r4 guy. So in my opinion that would be a reach.

Now show me where Goose has him top 40 on his list Draft Morning and I'll come around.

No misread here ....
Ive always respected your opinion and enjoyed your take.

 

[DeaconMoss]

If we get one or two of these guys I will be happy.

LARRY ENGLISH, OLB, NORTHERN ILLINOIS

LOUIS DELMAS, S, WESTERN MICHIGAN

LAWRENCE SIDBURY, OLB, RICHMOND

Rashad Johnson, FS, Alabama

MACHO HARRIS, CB, VIRGINIA TECH

MICHAEL HAMLIN, S, CLEMSON

HERMAN JOHNSON, OG, L.S.U.

Jairus Byrd, CB/S, Oregon

Fenuki Tupou, OT, Oregon

Mike Thomas, WR/KR, Arizona

WR Brandon Tate North Carolina

 

[Texan_Eph89]

So what happen to all the Sean Smith talk?
I remember many were high on him. He's wanting to play CB, but his skill set is more of a S.

Thoughts?

 

[CATCH17]

Brian Broadus just said on the radio that Teams are telling him that Delmas will be a late 1st to early 2nd round pick.

A lot of teams are telling him he is the best safety in this class.

 

[SLATEmosphere]

Brian Broadus just said on the radio that Teams are telling him that Delmas will be a late 1st to early 2nd round pick.

A lot of teams are telling him he is the best safety in this class.

****!! I knew it..he's just too legit for teams to pass on him.

 

[DeaconMoss]

****!! I knew it..he's just too legit for teams to pass on him.

Draft day climbers mean there are draft day fallers. Fallers mean better guys for us to choose from that we once thought were out of reach.

 

[SLATEmosphere]

Draft day climbers mean there are draft day fallers. Fallers mean better guys for us to choose from that we once thought were out of reach.

But I want Delmas:tantrum:

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I remember in '04, the talk before the draft was that Steven Jackson was going to be a top 10 pick, and he slid to 22

 

[DeaconMoss]

then you should have never mentioned his name. Next year we will have a social experiment where we all choose guys we really don't want and put them on our boards, so other teams will rant and rave over them and maybe then our guys can fly under the radar.

 

[DeaconMoss]

I remember in '04, the talk before the draft was that Steven Jackson was going to be a top 10 pick, and he slid to 22

So IYO good or bad?