Why are we overrating Kellen Moore's intelligence?

[adbutcher]

Why are we overrating Kellen Moore's intelligence? His physical limitations have been well documented but for the life of me I cannot find any evidence that Kellen Moore has the necessary football intelligence to play in the NFL. He constantly holds the ball longer than he should and that is usually the sign of a confused QB. He constantly throws into double coverage and I rarely see him look off receivers. Even on his check downs he seems unsure.

His body language is also terrible. He never closes his mouth, which I conclude he is a mouth breather. I think the Cowboys are aware of this and I am confident they will do the right thing by cutting Moore. Rush outplayed him physically and with his mental grasp of the playbook. If the cowboys cut Rush instead of Moore, what message those that send to the other players?

I think the players have voice their opinion on the subject too. I think Witten expressed who he and the locker room favors with his Romo comparison comment. What are you all's thoughts? Can someone other than floaty show me an example of Moore's football IQ?

 

[CCBoy]

Why are we overrating Kellen Moore's intelligence? His physical limitations have been well documented but for the life of me I cannot find any evidence that Kellen Moore has the necessary football intelligence to play in the NFL. He constantly holds the ball longer than he should and that is usually the sign of a confused QB. He constantly throws into double coverage and I rarely see him look off receivers. Even on his check downs he seems unsure.

His body language is also terrible. He never closes his mouth, which I conclude he is a mouth breather. I think the Cowboys are aware of this and I am confident they will do the right thing by cutting Moore. Rush outplayed him physically and with his mental grasp of the playbook. If the cowboys cut Rush instead of Moore, what message those that send to the other players?

I think the players have voice their opinion on the subject too. I think Witten expressed who he and the locker room favors with his Romo comparison comment. What are you all's thoughts? Can someone other than floaty show me an example of Moore's football IQ?

He might be great at a chalk board...I agree that he often delivers a ball very late and in a crunch bounces it to a receiver any distance down field.

I'm also not a big fan of a fixed glaze in pre snap analysis by him.

 

[casmith07]

Why are we overrating Kellen Moore's intelligence? His physical limitations have been well documented but for the life of me I cannot find any evidence that Kellen Moore has the necessary football intelligence to play in the NFL. He constantly holds the ball longer than he should and that is usually the sign of a confused QB. He constantly throws into double coverage and I rarely see him look off receivers. Even on his check downs he seems unsure.

His body language is also terrible. He never closes his mouth, which I conclude he is a mouth breather. I think the Cowboys are aware of this and I am confident they will do the right thing by cutting Moore. Rush outplayed him physically and with his mental grasp of the playbook. If the cowboys cut Rush instead of Moore, what message those that send to the other players?

I think the players have voice their opinion on the subject too. I think Witten expressed who he and the locker room favors with his Romo comparison comment. What are you all's thoughts? Can someone other than floaty show me an example of Moore's football IQ?

Kellen Moore is not a ******* NFL quarterback. Get him out of here.

• Terrible Footwork
• No Grasp Of Playbook
• Mediocre Ball Security
• Holds Ball Too Long
• Not Athletic
• Weak Arm
• Mouth Breather
• Terrible Body Language

He's basically being given every opportunity because Scott Linehan likes him, which begs the question -- is Scott that good of a coach?

Cut him, cut McCown, and roll with Dak and Coop. Rush might not ever be anything more than a career backup, but he's already AT LEAST as good as Kellen Moore and he's younger and cheaper.

Bottom line -- lets say Dak goes down in the 3rd quarter in a close game -- he'll probably play the next week, but its a road game vs. the Eagles and he can't really go on an ankle or something. Whatever. Who you trusting? I'm throwing Cooper Rush out there and letting him sling it with the first team. You might as well warm up the bus if Moore is the backup in that scenario. He's atrocious.

 

[zrinkill]

Who here is a doing that?

Trouty?

No one else is clamoring for him as far as I have seen.

 

[casmith07]

Who here is a doing that?

Trouty?

No one else is clamoring for him as far as I have seen.

You mean Floaty.

 

[adbutcher]

Kellen Moore is not a ******* NFL quarterback. Get him out of here.

• Terrible Footwork
• No Grasp Of Playbook
• Mediocre Ball Security
• Holds Ball Too Long
• Not Athletic
• Weak Arm
• Mouth Breather
• Terrible Body Language

He's basically being given every opportunity because Scott Linehan likes him, which begs the question -- is Scott that good of a coach?

Cut him, cut McCown, and roll with Dak and Coop. Rush might not ever be anything more than a career backup, but he's already AT LEAST as good as Kellen Moore and he's younger and cheaper.

Bottom line -- lets say Dak goes down in the 3rd quarter in a close game -- he'll probably play the next week, but its a road game vs. the Eagles and he can't really go on an ankle or something. Whatever. Who you trusting? I'm throwing Cooper Rush out there and letting him sling it with the first team. You might as well warm up the bus if Moore is the backup in that scenario. He's atrocious.

I don't see how anyone can argue against any of the aforementioned. Koy and Ty Detmer were similar in statue but you can tell they had a higher football IQ than Kellen. Kellen stares down check downs and out of all of the videos and pictures of Kellen, I never saw him with his mouth closed. I don't want a mouth breather playing QB for my favorite team.

 

[zrinkill]

You mean Floaty.

Yea my bad Trouty

 

[adbutcher]

Yea my bad Trouty

 

[Trouty]

Who here is a doing that?

Trouty?

No one else is clamoring for him as far as I have seen.

?

I've been one of his most vocal critics

 

[Trouty]

Yea my bad Trouty

 

[dallasdave]

 

[CF74]

He has pics of Lineham...

 

[Idgit]

I don't think anybody's overrating anything when it comes to Moore. He is what he's always been: a guy with a noodle arm and a huge winning pedigree in college who got to the NFL on his smarts and the fact that he's got a coaching background in his family. He's never been more than a 3rd QB or a marginal backup, at best, for that reason. But his head is pretty much the entire reason he's in the NFL.

That's pretty much how he's played when he's gotten in in games, too. He usually knows pretty quickly where to go with the ball, and then he lofts a pillow and we all get to hold our breath to see if it's ever going to get to the receiver or not. He pretty much reads the field right, or at least the coaches say he does. When the throws picks, it's because he either didn't see a safety, or there was enough time for the safety to get in and make the play.

But then there's never been a crush of support for the guy, either. People are just beginning to think there has been because now they're anxious to see Rush play and takeover the backup job.

Just be happy they decided to move Rush up and give him prominent snaps in the dress rehearsal game. That means they're looking at keeping him as the developmental guy, and that's good (but obvious) news.

 

[CF74]

Who here is a doing that?

Trouty?

No one else is clamoring for him as far as I have seen.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Can someone other than floaty show me an example of Moore's football IQ?

 

[LocimusPrime]

He sucks physically, so he must be smart.

 

[adbutcher]

I don't think anybody's overrating anything when it comes to Moore. He is what he's always been: a guy with a noodle arm and a huge winning pedigree in college who got to the NFL on his smarts and the fact that he's got a coaching background in his family. He's never been more than a 3rd QB or a marginal backup, at best, for that reason. But his head is pretty much the entire reason he's in the NFL.

I think the only reason he has been in the NFL so long is because he found a coach that would overlook all of his shortcomings because he saw himself in the little fella.

That's pretty much how he's played when he's gotten in in games, too. He usually knows pretty quickly where to go with the ball, and then he lofts a pillow and we all get to hold our breath to see if it's ever going to get to the receiver or not. He pretty much reads the field right, or at least the coaches say he does. When the throws picks, it's because he either didn't see a safety, or there was enough time for the safety to get in and make the play.

I disagree. He is very slow with the ball. A quick decisive release would overcome a lot of his failings. Smart QBs know where the safety is and where the safety going to be. When a smart QB gets fooled, it means that the safety did something against tendency. That is why you see a QB throw it directly to a defender sometimes when it is obvious to us watching on TV. This is especially true in our timing-centric offense.

But then there's never been a crush of support for the guy, either. People are just beginning to think there has been because now they're anxious to see Rush play and takeover the backup job.

True. I just cringe every time I think that if he didn't get hurt, he would have played at least 2 to 3 games before giving Dak his shot.

Just be happy they decided to move Rush up and give him prominent snaps in the dress rehearsal game. That means they're looking at keeping him as the developmental guy, and that's good (but obvious) news.

I am on cloud fricking 9!

 

[adbutcher]

He sucks physically, so he must be smart.

That's the only reason. When I watched him play, he doesn't play like a smart QB. He plays scared and dumb. What's interesting is how Dak perceives him. It was very telling that Dak said he was Rush's biggest fan and Witten said Rush reminded him of Romo. I never heard any teammate say anything gushing about Kellen other than the standard player speak.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

His physical limitations make the playbook limited. He can only throw so many passes.

Fans, including myself, tend to fall in love with big arms. But what big arms really do is that they open the playbook up as there are now more throws the QB can make and more plays that can be ran. I also think it helps a little with anticipating throws because if you have a Jeff George type arm, you can be a split second off in your anticipation and still deliver the ball to the receiver.

So with Moore, you have a limited amount of plays he can run based on his lack of arm strength and now he has to anticipate better because if he's off by a millisecond, the ball isn't getting there. And I don't think lack of anticipation has to do with 'smarts' at the QB position either. Many QB's can read a defense with the best of them and know the playbook as well as anybody, but they lack that ability to anticipate throws and they end up out of the league in a hurry.

I'm all for Cooper Rush at the #2 QB anyway. We are screwed if Dak gets hurt and we have Moore or Rush play. Better to take the QB that has legitimate upside and think that a young QB like Dak who is pretty impressive from a physical standpoint, does not get injured.





YR

 

[haleyrules]

His physical limitations make the playbook limited. He can only throw so many passes.

Fans, including myself, tend to fall in love with big arms. But what big arms really do is that they open the playbook up as there are now more throws the QB can make and more plays that can be ran. I also think it helps a little with anticipating throws because if you have a Jeff George type arm, you can be a split second off in your anticipation and still deliver the ball to the receiver.

So with Moore, you have a limited amount of plays he can run based on his lack of arm strength and now he has to anticipate better because if he's off by a millisecond, the ball isn't getting there. And I don't think lack of anticipation has to do with 'smarts' at the QB position either. Many QB's can read a defense with the best of them and know the playbook as well as anybody, but they lack that ability to anticipate throws and they end up out of the league in a hurry.

I'm all for Cooper Rush at the #2 QB anyway. We are screwed if Dak gets hurt and we have Moore or Rush play. Better to take the QB that has legitimate upside and think that a young QB like Dak who is pretty impressive from a physical standpoint, does not get injured.





YR

Yep. Thats about sizes it up. Keep the potential over what ever it is the coaches see in Moore. Little doubt, he will still be available for the PS? I think?