why cant roy be used in the same way.

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Steelers' Polamalu a Mystery to Opposition

By ALAN ROBINSON, AP Sports WriterFri Sep 23,10:45 AM ET



Troy Polamalu of the Pittsburgh Steelers is one of the best defensive players at his position in the NFL. Nearly every opposing coach says so every week. That raises this question: Which position is that?

Polamalu, the former Southern Cal star and a first-round draft pick in 2003, tied an NFL record for safeties with three sacks Sunday in Houston. The Steelers' pass rush got to Texans quarterback David Carr so early and so often — eight times overall — he clearly became skittish by the end of the game.

"He could never get comfortable in there because we gave him so many looks," Polamalu said.

But then, an afternoon of trying to locate Polamalu amid the Steelers' ever-changing, ever-shifting 3-4 defense is a job unto itself for most quarterbacks.

On one play, Polamalu abandons the secondary, walks up to the line of scrimmage, then sprints back into the play as an extra cornerback. On the next play, he lines up deep, then races up to the line and becomes a fifth linebacker. In a different wrinkle this season, he'll line up just off the shoulder of a defensive end, effectively making the 3-4 defense into a 4-4.

And, in another twist, he sometimes turns his back on the offense, showing only his No. 43, then turns when the play starts and jets off to a predetermined spot on the field.

No wonder quarterbacks are perplexed this season by this new game of Where's Polamalu?

"If you don't know where he is, he'll get you," said Patriots coach Bill Belichick, whose team meets the Steelers on Sunday in a rematch of last season's AFC championship game. "He's all over the field. He's really fast. He runs down a lot of plays. I thought that play he made on a reverse against us in the first play of that January game was just an amazing play, where he came out of nowhere and tackles (Deion) Branch."

That's exactly the role Steelers defensive coordinator Dick LeBeau imagined this season for Polamalu — to make teams think he's coming out of nowhere.

"He's a special player," LeBeau said.

And while some coaches don't bother to scout preseason games once the season begins, Belichick couldn't help but notice how Polamalu lined up in man-to-man coverage against Commanders wide receiver James Thrash, then raced in and intercepted Patrick Ramsey's pass and returned it 34 yards for a touchdown last month.

"You make a mistake around him and he'll intercept it," Belichick said. "Just like he did against Washington, he'll pick it off and run it back for a touchdown or scoop it up and run it back. He's a big factor in their game plan, there's no question."

A game plan, that by design, LeBeau tinkers with every week in an effort to expand Polamalu's strong safety role.

Polamalu made the Pro Bowl and was second-team All-Pro in his first season as a starter a year ago, when he tied with free safety Chris Hope for the second-most tackles on the team behind All-Pro linebacker James Farrior. He also had a team-high five interceptions.

This season, he already has an interception, three sacks and nine tackles in two games.

The 5-foot-10, 212-pound Polamalu said it doesn't bother him lining up as a linebacker because he also did the same thing at Southern Cal.

"I play a little bit of everything," he said. "I've been doing that all year."



Coach Bill Cowher said Polamalu's ability to move from position to position from play to play gives what was the NFL's top defense a year ago much of its versatility.

"He's a guy who loves to play the game, studies a lot," Cowher said. "He's got a great feel for the game. He's a guy you can do a lot of things with."

Polamalu also is one of the NFL's most recognizable players because of his long, flowing black hair he wears Samoan-style down his back, rather than tucking it into his helmet. The hair obscures the name of the back of his uniform, but he says that isn't a problem because his hair is his identity.

That and the disruptive plays he makes with great regularity.

"There are still a lot of things I need to work on. I'm not there yet, I'm far from there," Polamalu said. "I just feel blessed because I have been put in this situation with coach LeBeau."

His coach feels the same way. "He makes me look really good," LeBeau said.
 

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He could. If Roy played in that system with those same players in Pitt, he'd probably be the most feared player in football right now. Pitt has been running the 3-4 forever and has very good players in that system who know exactly what they're doing. That makes it easier for a free-lance type player like Polamolu, or a Roy Williams, to do his thing.
 

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Yeah, I'll be honest, I get jealous when I read about what some of these players are able to do. I wish our guy could do a little more of that. Funny thing too, Troy P is worse in coverage than Roy.
 

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Houston's offensive line sucks. I think that helped Pittsburg make the decision to use Troy in the way that they did. When facing a better team, they may not be as willing to use those types of schemes.
 
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They have outstanding defensive coaches...Who always put their players in a position to best use their ability's...

While ours are usually used in the worst possible position...IE: Roy in coverage...Ware vs a OT...

zimmy would be overmatched & out coached in a pee wee league game...
 

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Hollywood Henderson said:
They have outstanding defensive coaches...Who always put their players in a position to best use their ability's...

While ours are usually used in the worst possible position...IE: Roy in coverage...Ware vs a OT...

zimmy would be overmatched & out coached in a pee wee league game...


:hammer:
 

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Hollywood Henderson said:
They have outstanding defensive coaches...Who always put their players in a position to best use their ability's...

While ours are usually used in the worst possible position...IE: Roy in coverage...Ware vs a OT...

zimmy would be overmatched & out coached in a pee wee league game...

Roy is a safety. One of the biggest responsibilities for a safety is pass coverage. Playing in a two deep zone should be one of the easier coverages for the safety. Certainly easier than covering one of the several good tight ends Dallas will face this season one-on-one.

I don't understand the Ware vs. a OT. Anytime Ware rushes the passer he is going to face either an OT or TE unless there is a blown assignment by the o-line. You are going to fault Zimmer because Ware is still learning the nuances of the NFL just like any other rookie? How about the defensive line coach? Shouldn't he be the one responsible for the techniques that Ware uses?
 

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Ware vs an OT? Who the hell else is he suppose to face? You expecting him to bet blocked by WRs?


And I'm tired of that BS excuse. Ware has been extremely tentative. He's about teh same size as KGB and I don't see it effecting his pass rush, and he "faces" Tackles the WHOLE GAME as a DE.
 

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Polamalu is much skinnier and faster than roy. Roy doesnt have the speed to compensate for it.
 

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Roy and Troy P. both have almost the exact 40 time. Who's to say either one is faster?
 

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Troy P knows that in a two deep zone, you don't get beat deep. This is not a shot at Roy, but Troy seems to be a better student of the game.
 

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Hollywood Henderson said:
They have outstanding defensive coaches...Who always put their players in a position to best use their ability's...

While ours are usually used in the worst possible position...IE: Roy in coverage...Ware vs a OT...

zimmy would be overmatched & out coached in a pee wee league game...

HH is right on the nose...

this coaching staff is lousy, especially the defensive coordinator, whereas Pittsburgh has outstanding defensive coaches that understand how to put players into positions that maximize their talent...that defense isnt loaded with all pros either

Zimmer's always been lousy...his playcalling is bad and his game plans are normally head scratchers...such as continuing to leave 30-something yr old #3 CB Aaron Glenn on the other teams only WR threat with the game on the line, despite said CB being torched twice for long gains already...or having rookie speed rusher DeMarcus Ware line up virtually the entire game against the other teams healthy LT, rather than doing the logical thing and having him line up alot on the other teams injured RT (and when he finally DID do this the ONE time, Ware ran right by Jansen untouched)...not playing your best CB's on the other teams best WR is just stupid,and Zimmer's been guilty of that for years...its especially ignorant now though when you consider how good Newman and Henry are...McCardell torched our defense but was basically non existant against Denver, and Santana Moss had a career day and turned a sure Dallas win into a loss...its WAY past time for Zimmer to be fired

David
 

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Rack said:
Ware vs an OT? Who the hell else is he suppose to face? You expecting him to bet blocked by WRs?


And I'm tired of that BS excuse. Ware has been extremely tentative. He's about teh same size as KGB and I don't see it effecting his pass rush, and he "faces" Tackles the WHOLE GAME as a DE.

In Hollywood's mind, the DC will use his Jedi mind tricks to stop the OL from blocking the DL.

:)
 

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TheHustler said:
Troy P knows that in a two deep zone, you don't get beat deep. This is not a shot at Roy, but Troy seems to be a better student of the game.

I dont see many situations when I watch Pitt where TP ends up guarding the other teams best WR's...I do however see plenty of examples where the Steelers D coaches create mismatch blitzes where TP runs clean to the QB or into the backfield

David
 

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Rack said:
Ware vs an OT? Who the hell else is he suppose to face? You expecting him to bet blocked by WRs?


And I'm tired of that BS excuse. Ware has been extremely tentative. He's about teh same size as KGB and I don't see it effecting his pass rush, and he "faces" Tackles the WHOLE GAME as a DE.

Ware has hardly played tentative every single play...he's been close to a number of sacks...

and I am quite sure HH was referring to the obvious, that Ware might have had a field day vs injured RT Jon Jansen, especially when you consider the only play that Ware DID line up on Jansen, he blew right by him and would have had an easy sack had RW not got there first

and by the way, KGB is absolute road kill vs the run

David
 

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I agree with the consensus here. Polamalu plays alongside better players with better coaches. It also doesn't hurt that they faced Houston too. Remember that Roy's best year was in 2003, a time when offenses respected our cornerbacks in man coverage. Roy exploited that idea and came up to the line of scrimmage and blitzed all the time. He was a huge success then. It wasn't until opponents started challenging our man coverage that forced Roy to play back; that's when his coverage skills were exposed. Back to the point, if Roy had more support, he would look a lot better too. Granted, that's no excuse for his weak coverage skills but he could exploit more of his strengths if he played on a team like the Steelers.
 

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TheHustler said:
In Hollywood's mind, the DC will use his Jedi mind tricks to stop the OL from blocking the DL.

:)

This is the same guy that says Woodson should have retired 2 or 3 years earlier than he did. In one ear and out the other.
 

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ddh33 said:
Yeah, I'll be honest, I get jealous when I read about what some of these players are able to do. I wish our guy could do a little more of that. Funny thing too, Troy P is worse in coverage than Roy.


impossible
 

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felix360 said:
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Steelers' Polamalu a Mystery to Opposition

By ALAN ROBINSON, AP Sports WriterFri Sep 23,10:45 AM ET



Troy Polamalu of the Pittsburgh Steelers is one of the best defensive players at his position in the NFL. Nearly every opposing coach says so every week. That raises this question: Which position is that?

Polamalu, the former Southern Cal star and a first-round draft pick in 2003, tied an NFL record for safeties with three sacks Sunday in Houston. The Steelers' pass rush got to Texans quarterback David Carr so early and so often — eight times overall — he clearly became skittish by the end of the game.

"He could never get comfortable in there because we gave him so many looks," Polamalu said.

But then, an afternoon of trying to locate Polamalu amid the Steelers' ever-changing, ever-shifting 3-4 defense is a job unto itself for most quarterbacks.

On one play, Polamalu abandons the secondary, walks up to the line of scrimmage, then sprints back into the play as an extra cornerback. On the next play, he lines up deep, then races up to the line and becomes a fifth linebacker. In a different wrinkle this season, he'll line up just off the shoulder of a defensive end, effectively making the 3-4 defense into a 4-4.

And, in another twist, he sometimes turns his back on the offense, showing only his No. 43, then turns when the play starts and jets off to a predetermined spot on the field.

No wonder quarterbacks are perplexed this season by this new game of Where's Polamalu?

"If you don't know where he is, he'll get you," said Patriots coach Bill Belichick, whose team meets the Steelers on Sunday in a rematch of last season's AFC championship game. "He's all over the field. He's really fast. He runs down a lot of plays. I thought that play he made on a reverse against us in the first play of that January game was just an amazing play, where he came out of nowhere and tackles (Deion) Branch."

That's exactly the role Steelers defensive coordinator Dick LeBeau imagined this season for Polamalu — to make teams think he's coming out of nowhere.

"He's a special player," LeBeau said.

And while some coaches don't bother to scout preseason games once the season begins, Belichick couldn't help but notice how Polamalu lined up in man-to-man coverage against Commanders wide receiver James Thrash, then raced in and intercepted Patrick Ramsey's pass and returned it 34 yards for a touchdown last month.

"You make a mistake around him and he'll intercept it," Belichick said. "Just like he did against Washington, he'll pick it off and run it back for a touchdown or scoop it up and run it back. He's a big factor in their game plan, there's no question."

A game plan, that by design, LeBeau tinkers with every week in an effort to expand Polamalu's strong safety role.

Polamalu made the Pro Bowl and was second-team All-Pro in his first season as a starter a year ago, when he tied with free safety Chris Hope for the second-most tackles on the team behind All-Pro linebacker James Farrior. He also had a team-high five interceptions.

This season, he already has an interception, three sacks and nine tackles in two games.

The 5-foot-10, 212-pound Polamalu said it doesn't bother him lining up as a linebacker because he also did the same thing at Southern Cal.

"I play a little bit of everything," he said. "I've been doing that all year."



Coach Bill Cowher said Polamalu's ability to move from position to position from play to play gives what was the NFL's top defense a year ago much of its versatility.

"He's a guy who loves to play the game, studies a lot," Cowher said. "He's got a great feel for the game. He's a guy you can do a lot of things with."

Polamalu also is one of the NFL's most recognizable players because of his long, flowing black hair he wears Samoan-style down his back, rather than tucking it into his helmet. The hair obscures the name of the back of his uniform, but he says that isn't a problem because his hair is his identity.

That and the disruptive plays he makes with great regularity.

"There are still a lot of things I need to work on. I'm not there yet, I'm far from there," Polamalu said. "I just feel blessed because I have been put in this situation with coach LeBeau."

His coach feels the same way. "He makes me look really good," LeBeau said.
Some guys have great change of direction speed and some guys don't. Roy don't.
 
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