Why do people still think pick location matters?

[Parcells4Life]

Ed Werder been trying to trash the Cowboys saying teams had Frederick as low as a 6th round pick.. same garbage Mayock did last night.

My question is in 03 when we took Witten in the 3rd round we got lucky because as history shows he should have been a 1st round pick.

We've also had many picks taken rounds 1-3 that should have been 5th rounders.

Only question people should ask about the pick is not WHERE they're picked but how they fit in with the team. The only time people care about pick location is during the draft.

Once OTA's start that's meaningless to everyone except the GM and Agent for salary slotting purposes.

 

[DOUBLE WING]

Pick location matters because it's quite possible that we could have gotten Frederick later in the draft and gotten a better player with our first pick.

 

[DFWJC]

Much of it has to do with opportunity cost.

 

[Parcells4Life]

Pick location matters because it's quite possible that we could have gotten Frederick later in the draft and gotten a better player with our first pick.

Possible but not certain and then we still have the biggest weakness on our team exposed if we don't get him. His agent after talking to teams had him between 20-40. Don't think he would have made 47.

 

[DOUBLE WING]

Possible but not certain and then we still have the biggest weakness on our team exposed if we don't get him. His agent after talking to teams had him between 20-40. Don't think he would have made 47.

There are other good centers in the draft that we could have had if he didn't make it to 47. Frederick isn't some can't-miss center prospect.

 

[Nightman]

Most people do a mock draft that fits their own personal biases. Then they act surprised when it doesn't turn out that they can get first rounders in every round. Each team has their own board and needs and it only takes one team to steal a sleeper or keeper from you. Anyone that has done a fantasy football draft knows that position runs happen and sometimes you have to throw your rankings out if you want a certain player.

The top 15 picks couldn't have been worse for Dallas, but that is out of their control. They could've moved up again to go to for Cooper or Warmack, but only had 6 picks and a lot of needs.

 

[Miller]

I've been trying to explain this all day but it matters because NFL teams rate players, plain and simple. In order to take risks, trade down or up, etc you are working on the premise that each team has a draft board with guys rated. This has led to scouts and NFL draft gurus doing their own analysis. Some here seem to think that all of these people are mediots or whatever they call them but they know a heck of a lot more than you and I.

I'll give you an example. In Houston, there is a sports radio guy, Lance Zerlein. His Dad was/is an O-line coach in the NFL. I'm sure some here know him or listen to him. You may not like him but he and another guy, John Harris, spend inordinate amounts of time watching film, scouting and basically analyzing players. They have a site, TheSideLineView.com. Anyways, these are the types of guys out there who do a lot more than just guess at picks. There are guys like Greg Cosell who works at NFL Films that study film all day long and analyze players. NFL types listen to them.

So overall if enough scouts and teams start noticing a guys limitations, the more his stock drops. You can't predict any of this perfectly. Guys fail and guys overcome but overall you match talent in college and translate that to the pros.

So to Frederick. Could he be a stud and an anchor. Definitely. But the reality of the draft is his limitations made him a guy slotted lower than the first round..in some cases much lower. Or as this Tweet says

Albert Breer ✔ @AlbertBreer Text from one AFC personnel man when I told him the Cowboys took Frederick: "Yuck".

The reality is that most teams probably had him 2nd to 3rd or lower. From that your GM had to hope he is still there or reach. BUT you have to weigh other options. We keep talking about Frederick like he is a can't miss stud and its stupid to dismiss the pick. However, there are plenty of scouts who think there are other centers/guards just as good and who would easily be at 47. It also comes across like you painted yourself into a corner going with need when you have to take a guy at 31 out of fear vs. "hey, if he's not there, we have options at safety, etc"

 

[blackbull]

Just made a post about this. Hilarious

 

[blackbull]

Quote:
Albert Breer ✔ @AlbertBreer Text from one AFC personnel man when I told him the Cowboys took Frederick: "Yuck".


This is so stupid. This personell guy is perfect I suppose.

 

[conner01]

anyone who thinks frederick would last till the 6th is brain dead. most had him as the top center in the draft, at worst he was in the top 3
it would have been very lucky for him to fall till our 2nd rnd pick and too big of a gamble to take
you never want to draft a player higher than you have to, but just because some draft guru says a guy is going in some round does'nt make it so. many of these so called experts devalue some positions. they rank the best center lower than say the best guard. the fact is we got a very good player in a spot very close to where he would have went if we had not taken him

 

[Doomsay]

Pick location matters because it's quite possible that we could have gotten Frederick later in the draft and gotten a better player with our first pick.

Why is this so hard to understand? Why doesn't our FO understand this? We could have had a mid-level 1st round player, now we have 0 first round talent, a 2nd round player at best and a bottom 3rd round pick. Insanely stupid.

 

[elcowboi]

Ed Werder been trying to trash the Cowboys saying teams had Frederick as low as a 6th round pick.. same garbage Mayock did last night.

My question is in 03 when we took Witten in the 3rd round we got lucky because as history shows he should have been a 1st round pick.

We've also had many picks taken rounds 1-3 that should have been 5th rounders.

Only question people should ask about the pick is not WHERE they're picked but how they fit in with the team. The only time people care about pick location is during the draft.

Once OTA's start that's meaningless to everyone except the GM and Agent for salary slotting purposes.

It's not my money the Boys are spending so I honestly don't care where any player gets drafted. As long as they show up and play well when it's game time then I'm happy.

 

[dart]

Callahan has been up there to work him out



which I did not know

 

[jobberone]

There are other good centers in the draft that we could have had if he didn't make it to 47. Frederick isn't some can't-miss center prospect.

Now that is a valid point. However, one could counter that the top three centers would go like the top OTs. So you cannot say for certain one way or the other he would have been there at 47. Or that we couldn't have traded a fifth to move up a few. Or even that he wouldn't have been there in the third when we picked.

Or that you shouldn't have picked him there but a player ranked closer to the consensus whatever that is.

He's here. The pick is gone. Moving on to the next rue the day and/or Lordy Noes.

However, we are jumping so good. Give me some more.

 

[Angus]

Only draft snobs think draft pick position matters more than scout-studied anticipated production. NFL GMs pay attention to the opinion of their scouts as to expected production, not the fantasies of media "experts" about worth.

 

[Miller]

Only draft snobs think draft pick position matters more than scout-studied anticipated production. NFL GMs pay attention to the opinion of their scouts as to expected production, not the fantasies of media "experts" about worth.

The problem with this thinking is with the internet age, most of these "experts" as you call them, are actually plugged into the scouts and they go on film studies and all the things that everyone else sees. It's not like we are in a day and age where these guys guess for a newspaper column.

 

[Risen Star]

Pick location matters because it's quite possible that we could have gotten Frederick later in the draft and gotten a better player with our first pick.

Yeah, this makes no sense. Ya know when pick location doesn't matter? When your team just reached in the draft.

 

[Risen Star]

The problem with this thinking is with the internet age, most of these "experts" as you call them, are actually plugged into the scouts and they go on film studies and all the things that everyone else sees. It's not like we are in a day and age where these guys guess for a newspaper column.

Correct. Fans are more informed now than ever before.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Now that is a valid point. However, one could counter that the top three centers would go like the top OTs. So you cannot say for certain one way or the other he would have been there at 47. Or that we couldn't have traded a fifth to move up a few. Or even that he wouldn't have been there in the third when we picked.

Or that you shouldn't have picked him there but a player ranked closer to the consensus whatever that is.

He's here. The pick is gone. Moving on to the next rue the day and/or Lordy Noes.

However, we are jumping so good. Give me some more.

One of them would have been there at 47, I feel pretty confident about that. However, if they were all gone, then other very good players would be pushed down and we would sign an FA that was actually worth signing to play Center. There are several in FA right now and that's not such a bad deal because Centers, typically, are among the cheaper FA acquisitions in the NFL. You try to position your draft so that you don't have to reach for players. This is how we missed on other 1st round picks in the past. We reached for a player to try and fit a need. If, by chance, Fredrick or the other two Centers were all gone, then we fill another need and we sign a guy. That's how the draft is supposed to work. All the months and years of hard work your scouting departments and coaching staff does is out the window once you go away from your board. I'm not saying don't go up or down a few picks one way or the other but not like this. We could have gotten a really good football player at 31 and still gotten a really good Center prospect at 47 or whatever.

 

[Miller]

Correct. Fans are more informed now than ever before.

Exactly. I mentioned these guys in my earlier post but this website is Adam Caplan, Lance Zerlein, John Harris and Eric Edholm. I know Lance and John are radio guys and it started years ago that they watched film, etc. Lances Dad' is an O-line coach in the NFL. Then it grew into doing year round scouting and analysis and not to this site. They still have their radio jobs, etc but most of these guys Tweet, talk, review, scout, etc players 24/7 365 days a year. They know WAY more than we do and yet people act like the media just makes up things. There are some guys that have no clue. True. But there is a growing segment that make a real effort to find how guys fit.

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