Why does anyone really care about Dan Reeves?

[TheDude]

Nothing personal against the man, but I don't see much good he would have brought other than another sous chef in the kitchen

Dan has a history as a cowboy player, but he is scant amount better than Wade as a coach. Sure he has taken 4 teams to the SB, but so did Marv Levy, both over a decade ago. I have little confidence that he is "the solution" for surmounting the hump.

He did not win a SB with Elway, and had a bad relationship with the "star" player. It took Shanahan to get them over the hump. He did a nice job w/ Atlanta, but once Vick was there, he couldn't relate.

I am curious as to what everyone was expecting....

I think his hiring would have undermined someone (Wade, Garrett, both). His quitting undermines both and it would be better to get Holmgren or Shanahan now.

 

[Big Dakota]

Ah yes, underminging................how bout, Irony...look it up. It's not fallacy of causation but we all have to start somewhere. All kidding aside, and i'm quite sure you don't know what the heck i mean, but i do agree it would have underminded the exhisting staff. But let me end with this, when the owner undermines everything what the hell does it matter?

 

[Idgit]

It's a symptom of the chaos at Valley Ranch, so it's significant that way.
I like Reeves, and I do think that Garrett needed someone with experience calling plays on his staff to help out. Typically, a first or second year team coordinator has a tutelage under a HC who shares his area of specialty. Having Garrett--so young in his career--in that role without anyone but Sherman behind him is a bit of a tall order. A bit.

 

[burmafrd]

I think undermining Wade and company would be a good thing. Reeves won playoff games. What has Wade won?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Ah yes, underminging................how bout, Irony...look it up. It's not fallacy of causation but we all have to start somewhere. All kidding aside, and i'm quite sure you don't know what the heck i mean, but i do agree it would have underminded the exhisting staff. But let me end with this, when the owner undermines everything what the hell does it matter?

Its 'A' fallacy of causation and I know what youre getting at. This is a forum for discussion and there is a thing called logic. Perhaps you have heard of it. I am sorry that I require there to some logic in something for me to believe it.

 

[TheDude]

I dont see the reason Wade is here.

1. He is a lame duck, final year of a contract. Most coaches get extentions to avoid the lame duck status unless they are retiring and that is only afforded to coaches who have earned to call their way out
2. The buck has to stop with him as ar as personell and coaching decisions
   1. Keeping Proctor on the field instead of getting Holland ready
   2. Same with Choice
   3. Keepong Proctor on the 53 man roster
   4. Of Course Brad Johnson
   5. Bruce Reed
3. The play calling on both sides
   1. Rams defensive game
   2. running the RBs only 8 times vs Washington #1 (No Felix after his GB game)

There's more, but bringing anyone in to oversee the operations is not the problem, it is the decision making in game that is the problem. Was Reeves going to call plays, I doubt it?

 

[RainMan]

I think undermining Wade and company would be a good thing. Reeves won playoff games. What has Wade won?

A pie-eating contest?

 

[RainMan]

I dont see the reason Wade is here.

1. He is a lame duck, final year of a contract. Most coaches get extentions to avoid the lame duck status unless they are retiring and that is only afforded to coaches who have earned to call their way out
2. The buck has to stop with him as ar as personell and coaching decisions
   1. Keeping Proctor on the field instead of getting Holland ready
   2. Same with Choice
   3. Keepong Proctor on the 53 man roster
   4. Of Course Brad Johnson
   5. Bruce Reed
3. The play calling on both sides
   1. Rams defensive game
   2. running the RBs only 8 times vs Washington #1 (No Felix after his GB game)

There's more, but bringing anyone in to oversee the operations is not the problem, it is the decision making in game that is the problem. Was Reeves going to call plays, I doubt it?

All the reasons you listed is why it sucks Reeves isn't coming.

His presence would have been good for two big reasons.

First, he would have brought a little class to an organization in desperate need of things being classed up. I truly think he would have gone a long way in helping us determine what players to move forward with and which to move forward without.

Secondly, as you said, most of us can't figure out why Wade is here. But we're stuck with him. Might as well give him as many people that can help him get through the coaching process as possible. Reeves is a longtime successful coach in this league and a Phillips confidant. He certainly wouldn't have hurt things.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

A pie-eating contest?

:laugh2:

 

[cowboyjoe]

it only shows that wade is a yes man, and a lame duck, and that jerry jones wants things run his way

jerry still doesnt get it that after he fired jimmy johnson, the team has slowly fallen apart.

then dont get me wrong in some ways jerry jones tries, maybe thats his fault for believing in the players and listening to them instead of the coaches.

but players have to work, and work and study and work some more, championships arent won with glitz, and glamour, but with hard work, sweat, blood and tears, then some more hard work with commitment, heart and intensity

 

[cowboyjoe]

when players like greg ellis gripe that oh, they will run your legs off when you lose, Duh, greg you lost the game, chump, you should hate to lose, if you dont something is wrong,

great players greg when they lose will spend extra time on the practice field even after practice to get better

spencer, oh gee coach, my electricity wasnt on, so thats why i missed treatment, (which basically says when you miss treatment you dont give a darn), wade says well im going to fine you,

big deal coach, its just a $100, oh and by the way jerry jones thanks for not letting wade raise the price of the missing treatment fine, $100 is nothing to me,

oh gee thanks coach, we dont have to hit in practice for the first 25 days because were professionals, we dont need all of that getting in shape, used to hitting, and hitting back, were professionals

oh gee thanks coach, even though we lost to the cardianls, and you say we played a good game, your going to give us a day off, great, that means we really dont have to work hard, just wear the star on our helmet and teams will fear us, haha coach

media to wade, how come no hard practices or hitting allowed, or you give them extra days off, well, im saving their legs,
oh really coach, you saved their legs for what? the olympics, and the cowboys didnt even make the playoffs, great stuff coach cupcake

 

[cowboyjoe]

oh yeah,, gee thanks jerry jones you saw all of this, no hitting in practice the first 25 days, extra days off to give players,

and really thanks for not fining the players jerry jones when they missed team meetings or treatments, when wade phillips wanted you to raise the fines up from a measely $100 and you said no, really appreciate that jerry jones, that is telling the players they dont have to give a darn for team meetings or treatments,

great plan jerry jones

 

[TheDude]

when players like greg ellis gripe that oh, they will run your legs off when you lose, Duh, greg you lost the game, chump, you should hate to lose, if you dont something is wrong,

great players greg when they lose will spend extra time on the practice field even after practice to get better

spencer, oh gee coach, my electricity wasnt on, so thats why i missed treatment, (which basically says when you miss treatment you dont give a darn), wade says well im going to fine you,

big deal coach, its just a $100, oh and by the way jerry jones thanks for not letting wade raise the price of the missing treatment fine, $100 is nothing to me,

oh gee thanks coach, we dont have to hit in practice for the first 25 days because were professionals, we dont need all of that getting in shape, used to hitting, and hitting back, were professionals

oh gee thanks coach, even though we lost to the cardianls, and you say we played a good game, your going to give us a day off, great, that means we really dont have to work hard, just wear the star on our helmet and teams will fear us, haha coach

media to wade, how come no hard practices or hitting allowed, or you give them extra days off, well, im saving their legs,
oh really coach, you saved their legs for what? the olympics, and the cowboys didnt even make the playoffs, great stuff coach cupcake

Conceptually, I agree with you, but this team failed under Parcells "old school" ways.


I think you have some very suspect players that really dont have the heart. Flozell Adams being #1 and the DL/LB (except ware) #2. There are some lazy players that wear down and start losing technique as the season goes on. Ellis and Flozell have been here he longest, then RW38. Could be wrong, but The interior of Dallas's lines look slow in Dec compared to Phillly, NYG, etc. Have for 12 years

 

[khiladi]

I dont see the reason Wade is here.

1. He is a lame duck, final year of a contract. Most coaches get extentions to avoid the lame duck status unless they are retiring and that is only afforded to coaches who have earned to call their way out
2. The buck has to stop with him as ar as personell and coaching decisions
   1. Keeping Proctor on the field instead of getting Holland ready
   2. Same with Choice
   3. Keepong Proctor on the 53 man roster
   4. Of Course Brad Johnson
   5. Bruce Reed
3. The play calling on both sides
   1. Rams defensive game
   2. running the RBs only 8 times vs Washington #1 (No Felix after his GB game)

There's more, but bringing anyone in to oversee the operations is not the problem, it is the decision making in game that is the problem. Was Reeves going to call plays, I doubt it?

That is all on Garrett... In fact, a report had it that Wade had to go to Houch himself and ask if Holland was ready to play... WHere the hell was Garrett in all this, nobody knows...

 

[TheDude]

That is all on Garrett... In fact, a report had it that Wade had to go to Houch himself and ask if Holland was ready to play... WHere the hell was Garrett in all this, nobody knows...

If that is the case, then Garrett is more useless than I thought.

I really don't understand the fascination Jerry has with him. He went to Princeton and won a Txgiving game in Dallas.

Being from Princeton may help you in interviews, but his body of work is pretty suspect.

2007 was a great year statistically, but not that much better than 2006 (excl Bledsoe game).

Many "intellectuals" have a paralysis by analysis complex and do not do well in snap/gut decisions. I am moved quickly to that perception after the Wash game

 

[Doomsday]

For me its not about Reeves specifically it is more about the overall way the franchise is being run. You just dont see these types of things from well run franchises.

 

[bbgun]

For me its not about Reeves specifically it is more about the overall way the franchise is being run. You just dont see these types of things from well run franchises.

That's an understatement. If Jerry was truly serious about change, then he should have been prepared to say "yes" to any (reasonable) Reeves request. Does Dan Reeves strike anyone as an "unreasonable" man who'd make outlandish demands? Me neither.

 

[TheDude]

For me its not about Reeves specifically it is more about the overall way the franchise is being run. You just dont see these types of things from well run franchises.

But that is my point, I dont want to minimize Reeves 4 SBs, but he has the stigma of "not being bale to win the big one" - like Wade.

I don't think he ever addressed the Def in Denver and he didn't have a good relationship w/ Elway (who won after he left).

Bringing in another retread (who hasn't really won anything as a coach/leader) to oversee a retread or the head coach in waiting is something that desperate teams do. I could see if we were 2-14 and hiriing a new coach, but to bring in an guy to oversee a lame duck guy with most of his time spent overseeing the young OC / HC in waiting was a monumental fail from the beginning.