Why does everyone want to have two 30+ tackles coming off injuries?

[Galian Beast]

I can't fathom why people want us to sign Fabini. Especially since he is coming off a season ending injury in addition to Flozell also coming back from injury.

Makes no sense...

 

[AbeBeta]

ummm, because that would be a serious upgrade?

 

[Woods]

I can't fathom why people want us to sign Fabini. Especially since he is coming off a season ending injury in addition to Flozell also coming back from injury.

Makes no sense...

Because with respect to both players, they have generally been healthy throughout their careers.

But IMO, I see Fabini more of a 1-2 year solution. I still think we need to draft an OT to groom behind Flo/Fabini. I don't see the point of throwing another rookie to the wolves if we don't have to - esp. given Bledsoe's lack of mobility.

 

[bbgun]

because we're in denial

 

[DLCassidy]

Everything is relative. Compared to last year's plan which was Torrin Tucker as FA's backup and a rookie starter at RT this would appear to be a major improvement. Fabini has 5 straight injury free years of LT starting experience so if Flo were to go down, he could take over fairly easily. His injury was a bicep tear so he should be fine. But if Fabini went down Petitti would be right there and hopefully improved over last year. If they both went down? It's unlikely but if you want to speculate on an unlikely worst, I'll specualte on an unlikely best and say Rogers could step in. My glass is more than half full, yours more than half empty. So there.:laugh2:

 

[Woods]

Everything is relative. Compared to last year's plan which was Torrin Tucker as FA's backup and a rookie starter at RT this would appear to be a major improvement. Fabini has 5 straight injury free years of LT starting experience so if Flo were to go down, he could take over fairly easily. His injury was a bicep tear so he should be fine. But if Fabini went down Petitti would be right there and hopefully improved over last year. If they both went down? It's unlikely but if you want to speculate on an unlikely worst, I'll specualte on an unlikely best and say Rogers could step in. My glass is more than half full, yours more than half empty. So there.:laugh2:

Oh yhea, Rogers . . . . forgot about him.

Wonder what the odds are that he makes the team? I'd say about 30%.

 

[Portland Fanatic]

I went over to the Jets site to see what they've said about Fabini...did a search on Fabini. Most of them seemed to be fine with his release. Most were grateful for his time he put in, but noone was pissed he's gone. For the most part they said it's time to move on...I'm not impressed at all.

Getting the same feel as we did with the RT we signed a few years ago when BP started (forgot name) and Rivera. I'm not excited about this really. If he's here for very little $$ and only two years and we draft an OT by the 2nd round then I'm fine with it because he's only a stop gap, but this is nothing to get excited over at all.

 

[junk]

To cover your bases. It makes sense on many levels.

1. Can play either side.
2. Knows the coach.
3. Relatively healthy through out his career.
4. Mentor/bridge player to Petitti/draft pick.
5. Shouldn't cost much.
6. Better than the bulk of the options available.

For those that don't want to sign him, provide some better alternatives. Even if Dallas uses #18 on a guy, I'd rather have Fabini backing him and Flo up than Petitti/Rogers/Tucker/Colombo.

 

[slick325]

I am not that enamored with Fabini although I agree he is an upgrade. His age and the fact he is merely a stop gap are my biggest concerns.

I am really intrigued with Mike Williams. All the reports on him sound mighty similar to what we heard about Flo prior to Parcells getting to town. Williams is from Dallas, played for Texas, would be surrounded by former/current Pro Bowl caliber OLinemen who could help him get better and would be pushed hard by a Hall of Fame Coach. I think he would be VERY motivated in Dallas. Parcells would keep the weight off of him by running him and using fines like he did with Jason Ferguson as a rookie with the Jets. He is also only 26 yrs. old and if Parcells can make him his project like Flo once was, we could have our RT for many many years.

 

[Woods]

I went over to the Jets site to see what they've said about Fabini...did a search on Fabini. Most of them seemed to be fine with his release. Most were grateful for his time he put in, but noone was pissed he's gone. For the most part they said it's time to move on...I'm not impressed at all.

Getting the same feel as we did with the RT we signed a few years ago when BP started (forgot name) and Rivera. I'm not excited about this really. If he's here for very little $$ and only two years and we draft an OT by the 2nd round then I'm fine with it because he's only a stop gap, but this is nothing to get excited over at all.

Well, we do need a stop gap unless we throw another rookie in there or unless BP thinks Petitti is ready. Whether it's Fabini or Ashworth, I can't say I'd prefer one over the other. I think both are versatile in that they can play either OT position.

And I agree that we should still draft an OT Day 1 to groom behind our starters.

 

[DMX690]

Because it will improve the talent on the team. Adding depth to a position that was the achillies heel of the team cannot hurt for the upcoming season.

 

[Cowboy4ever]

it seems to me, that some people belive that anyone with a pulse would be better than anyone we had last year. They totally discount the number of times Drew got sacked because he didn't throw the ball.. or didnt read the blitz and go hot ,, or that back missed a blitz pickup,, it wasn't all the oline fault. Thre is a reason Bledsoe is one of the most sacked QB in the NFL, year after year,, alot easier to hit a target that dont move. combine his lack of mobility and his tendency to hang on to the ball.. that equals a lot of sacks, even if he was playin behind the wall of china. Now .. all that being said, I am all for drafting a quailty OL or two and getting a center in FA.. But i wouldn't sell the farm to protect someone who is going to get sacked alot no matter who you put in front of him.

 

[slick325]

I went over to the Jets site to see what they've said about Fabini...did a search on Fabini. Most of them seemed to be fine with his release. Most were grateful for his time he put in, but noone was pissed he's gone. For the most part they said it's time to move on...I'm not impressed at all.

Getting the same feel as we did with the RT we signed a few years ago when BP started (forgot name) and Rivera. I'm not excited about this really. If he's here for very little $$ and only two years and we draft an OT by the 2nd round then I'm fine with it because he's only a stop gap, but this is nothing to get excited over at all.

I too can't help but remember Ryan Young coming over. He was the same type of player that Fabini is, versatile and solid. I think he was relatively healthy before he got to us also.

 

[Silky1]

To cover your bases. It makes sense on many levels.

1. Can play either side.
2. Knows the coach.
3. Relatively healthy through out his career.
4. Mentor/bridge player to Petitti/draft pick.
5. Shouldn't cost much.
6. Better than the bulk of the options available.

For those that don't want to sign him, provide some better alternatives. Even if Dallas uses #18 on a guy, I'd rather have Fabini backing him and Flo up than Petitti/Rogers/Tucker/Colombo.

Alternative - Ashworth - NE

3 years younger and plays RT or LT.

Probably the same price or less.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

I say for a decent price bring him in and let him fight for the job.

If he wins he wins, if someone else wins they win.

At worst he should be good depth.

With only young guys except for flo we have youth at the depth positions and it killed us in the second half of last season.

 

[DLCassidy]

it seems to me, that some people belive that anyone with a pulse would be better than anyone we had last year. They totally discount the number of times Drew got sacked because he didn't throw the ball.. or didnt read the blitz and go hot ,, or that back missed a blitz pickup,, it wasn't all the oline fault. Thre is a reason Bledsoe is one of the most sacked QB in the NFL, year after year,, alot easier to hit a target that dont move. combine his lack of mobility and his tendency to hang on to the ball.. that equals a lot of sacks, even if he was playin behind the wall of china. Now .. all that being said, I am all for drafting a quailty OL or two and getting a center in FA.. But i wouldn't sell the farm to protect someone who is going to get sacked alot no matter who you put in front of him.

Through 6 games FA had allowed 2 sacks. 2. For the last 10 games Tucker allowed 13. Same QB. Roll that around your mind a bit.

If FA is healthy he should allow 5-6 sacks with DB at QB. Fabini allowed an average of 8 sacks a year for the last 4 years at LT, he should do better than that at RT. Let's call it 6. So 12 sacks from the tackles vs 28 last year. Fabini's not Anthony Munoz but he's adequate for our needs.

 

[DragonCowboy]

Through 6 games FA had allowed 2 sacks. 2. For the last 10 games Tucker allowed 13. Same QB. Roll that around your mind a bit.

If FA is healthy he should allow 5-6 sacks with DB at QB. Fabini allowed an average of 8 sacks a year for the last 4 years at LT, he should do better than that at RT. Let's call it 6. So 12 sacks from the tackles vs 28 last year. Fabini's not Anthony Munoz but he's adequate for our needs.

not trying to argue with you or anything, I agree with you, but why would Fabini do better at RT than LT? Is it because he's a specialist at RT, or is there some other reason that my young mind doesn't know?

 

[Cowboy4ever]

Through 6 games FA had allowed 2 sacks. 2. For the last 10 games Tucker allowed 13. Same QB. Roll that around your mind a bit.

If FA is healthy he should allow 5-6 sacks with DB at QB. Fabini allowed an average of 8 sacks a year for the last 4 years at LT, he should do better than that at RT. Let's call it 6. So 12 sacks from the tackles vs 28 last year. Fabini's not Anthony Munoz but he's adequate for our needs.

I just hate spending money on 30+ players esp OL. and really hate it if they are coming off a season ending surgery. we will need to build a huge wall around someone like bledsoe. And its not fair to compare sack totals from Tucker and FA. Flo is da man. And I am quite sure, most teams where testing the rookie on the right side more than flo on the left,, with tucker, teams could be more creative in their blitz packages. Now Tucker is not great,, but I think Petitie can be pretty darn good, if we give him the chance to play some. I just hate this win now at all cost mentalility,, and sacerficing a young player with potential like Petitie.

 

[Cowboy4ever]

not trying to argue with you or anything, I agree with you, but why would Fabini do better at RT than LT? Is it because he's a specialist at RT, or is there some other reason that my young mind doesn't know?

The best pass rushers usually rush from the left side,, to get to the blindside of the QB. I am sure that was thinking on that post.

 

[InmanRoshi]

I would rather get a 31 year old player who can provide 2-3 years of value than get into a bidding war to sign a 26 year old to a horribly inflated contract that we'll be stuck with for 5-6 yearst. The high risk signings are players in their 2nd contract, because they provide very little production per price value. Think Trotter with the Commanders. Kearse with the Eagles. Smoot with the Vikings. Keyshawn with the Bucs. Galloway with the Cowboys.