Why exactly is everyone so enamored with Shanahan?

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I mean yeah, he's a step up from Wade, but how much of an upgrade is he? He's won one playoff game since the SB runs with Elway. Just ONE since 1998. Sadly, that's more than the Cowboys have done since 1996, but it hardly gives me confidence that Shanahan would be next to have his head chiseled on the Mt. Rushmore of the Dallas Cowboys. His resume is just not that good without one of the greatest quarterbacks of all-time and a damned good team around that guy. Is Tony Romo one of the greatest quarterbacks of all-time or even a top 5 QB of this decade? And it's very questionable right now as to whether not this team is anymore than above average. Take a look at the last 4 years (9-7, 9-7, 13-3, and 9-7) Do those records indicate anything more than that?

The other huge issue I have with Shanahan is the probablity of personnel shakeups on both sides of the ball. The biggest elephant (or elephants) in the room is the offensive line. They obviously aren't a fit for the blocking schemes he ran in Denver. The other elephant is the defense. Who's to say Shanahan would be in favor of running a 3-4 defense? It's taken the Cowboys 4 seasons to retool into what we currently are and it's still a work in progress. I don't know about you guys, but I don't want to spend another 4 years (if we're lucky) trying to find the right pieces for a new defensive scheme.

All in all, I wouldn't be TOO upset if Shanahan did become the head coach in Dallas. As I said, he's probably an upgrade from Wade. I just don't feel like this is the quick fix that so many believe it is. And until further notice I'd be bracing myself for what Big D has come to stand for...Big Disappointment.
 

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LRcowboy Fan;2562426 said:
He is not Wade, simple as that.

He also is a head coach who Jerry Jones respects and would think twice before imposing his will arbitrarily upon him.

That fact cannot be underscored enough.
 

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LRcowboy Fan;2562426 said:
He is not Wade, simple as that.
He also has a gazillion more playoff wins, Super Bowl titles, well respected and disciplined coach. Has a good track record with established QB's, resurrected QB's, rookie/young QB's. Doesn't look lost after every play, great offensive mind. I know I am missing some other stuff but this is a start.
 

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He can take a guy like Romo and pass for thousands and thousands of inches.

He can take a 3 headed monster like Barber/Felix/Choice and run around the world 15 times and still run for more.

He can't do squat with a defense that doesn't have ballers but he can yell at our over paid boys and make em men.

Just give him 5 minutes with our team, and he'll give you 5 Lombardies.

Just don't ask him to play GM or he'll hurt cha.

Good thing we got Jerruh for dat;)
 

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If Shanahan won one playoff game in a decade and couldn't even beat out an 8-8 team to win the worse division in the league here, people would be calling for his head.

And it wouldn't take long for it not to matter that he wasn't Wade or that he won two Superbowls a dozen years ago.
 

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Monster Heel;2562423 said:
I mean yeah, he's a step up from Wade, but how much of an upgrade is he? He's won one playoff game since the SB runs with Elway. Just ONE since 1998. Sadly, that's more than the Cowboys have done since 1996, but it hardly gives me confidence that Shanahan would be next to have his head chiseled on the Mt. Rushmore of the Dallas Cowboys. His resume is just not that good without one of the greatest quarterbacks of all-time and a damned good team around that guy. Is Tony Romo one of the greatest quarterbacks of all-time or even a top 5 QB of this decade? And it's very questionable right now as to whether not this team is anymore than above average. Take a look at the last 4 years (9-7, 9-7, 13-3, and 9-7) Do those records indicate anything more than that?

The other huge issue I have with Shanahan is the probablity of personnel shakeups on both sides of the ball. The biggest elephant (or elephants) in the room is the offensive line. They obviously aren't a fit for the blocking schemes he ran in Denver. The other elephant is the defense. Who's to say Shanahan would be in favor of running a 3-4 defense? It's taken the Cowboys 4 seasons to retool into what we currently are and it's still a work in progress. I don't know about you guys, but I don't want to spend another 4 years (if we're lucky) trying to find the right pieces for a new defensive scheme.

All in all, I wouldn't be TOO upset if Shanahan did become the head coach in Dallas. As I said, he's probably an upgrade from Wade. I just don't feel like this is the quick fix that so many believe it is. And until further notice I'd be bracing myself for what Big D has come to stand for...Big Disappointment.

Because he's not Wade?
 

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Monster Heel;2562423 said:
I mean yeah, he's a step up from Wade, but how much of an upgrade is he? He's won one playoff game since the SB runs with Elway. Just ONE since 1998. Sadly, that's more than the Cowboys have done since 1996, but it hardly gives me confidence that Shanahan would be next to have his head chiseled on the Mt. Rushmore of the Dallas Cowboys. His resume is just not that good without one of the greatest quarterbacks of all-time and a damned good team around that guy. Is Tony Romo one of the greatest quarterbacks of all-time or even a top 5 QB of this decade? And it's very questionable right now as to whether not this team is anymore than above average. Take a look at the last 4 years (9-7, 9-7, 13-3, and 9-7) Do those records indicate anything more than that?

The other huge issue I have with Shanahan is the probablity of personnel shakeups on both sides of the ball. The biggest elephant (or elephants) in the room is the offensive line. They obviously aren't a fit for the blocking schemes he ran in Denver. The other elephant is the defense. Who's to say Shanahan would be in favor of running a 3-4 defense? It's taken the Cowboys 4 seasons to retool into what we currently are and it's still a work in progress. I don't know about you guys, but I don't want to spend another 4 years (if we're lucky) trying to find the right pieces for a new defensive scheme.

All in all, I wouldn't be TOO upset if Shanahan did become the head coach in Dallas. As I said, he's probably an upgrade from Wade. I just don't feel like this is the quick fix that so many believe it is. And until further notice I'd be bracing myself for what Big D has come to stand for...Big Disappointment.

People want him because he is a house hold name. He's a coach who people can recognize and he has two rings.

Besides that, I dont see why so many want him in Dallas. He is a terrible match IMO
 

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NextGenBoys;2562615 said:
People want him because he is a house hold name. He's a coach who people can recognize and he has two rings.

Besides that, I dont see why so many want him in Dallas. He is a terrible match IMO
How is he a terrible match? Is Wade a perfect match?
 

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Chocolate Lab;2562537 said:
If Shanahan won one playoff game in a decade and couldn't even beat out an 8-8 team to win the worse division in the league here, people would be calling for his head.

And it wouldn't take long for it not to matter that he wasn't Wade or that he won two Superbowls a dozen years ago.
Wade has no playoff wins wherever he has been. I can't believe people are justifying this crap with 'well he only has 1 playoff win in 10 years'. I don't put too much stock into this because I know what he has done with QB's, RB's and just overall offense in general and what that would do for our offense here. The Broncos clearly played above their heads most of the season and came back down to earth at the end. Not because of the offense but the defense was terrible. Now he is the head coach and should be held responsible for everything but with our defense he would have an established unit to work with.
 

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he's willing to accept bad apples but doesn't take crap from them. he'll yell and get in his players faces. he likes to run the ball. he doesn't stand on the sideline with confused looks on his face. When he's had a QB, he's done pretty well (minus this year when he was on his 5th RB). shanahan's problem in dever was as GM, not as a coach IMO.

wade is the perfect DC IMO, i just don't like him for HC. I wanted him to stay HC based on him getting the defense going but the last 2 games of the year nixed that in my book.

gimme shanahan or shottenheimer with romeo/capers/nolan as DC if wade doesn't want to stick around as DC.


bootsy;2562666 said:
Wade has no playoff wins wherever he has been. I can't believe people are justifying this crap with 'well he only has 1 playoff win in 10 years'. I don't put too much stock into this because I know what he has done with QB's, RB's and just overall offense in general and what that would do for our offense here. The Broncos clearly played above their heads most of the season and came back down to earth at the end. Not because of the offense but the defense was terrible. Now he is the head coach and should be held responsible for everything but with our defense he would have an established unit to work with.

exactly...wade has done less than shanahan and shanahan had the bronco offense doing more than our offense with less talent and more injuries. it was the denver defense that failed, not the offense.
 

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bootsy;2562655 said:
How is he a terrible match? Is Wade a perfect match?

Wade ran an aggressive 3-4 defense, and his team led the league in sacks and was near the top in takeaways - which were two things we were trying to improve on in defense when Wade was hired.

In short, yes Wade was the perfect hire when he was brought in. An aggressive defense, and a fresh change of pace from Parcells. I dont think many had too much beef during the season when we were 13-3.
 

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bootsy;2562666 said:
Wade has no playoff wins wherever he has been. I can't believe people are justifying this crap with 'well he only has 1 playoff win in 10 years'. I don't put too much stock into this because I know what he has done with QB's, RB's and just overall offense in general and what that would do for our offense here. The Broncos clearly played above their heads most of the season and came back down to earth at the end. Not because of the offense but the defense was terrible. Now he is the head coach and should be held responsible for everything but with our defense he would have an established unit to work with.

That offense did not do much over the last 3 games when all they needed was 1 win. Hell if he did that in Dallas the same people would be hollering to fire him now.
 

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Doomsday101;2562676 said:
That offense did not do much over the last 3 games when all they needed was 1 win. Hell if he did that in Dallas the same people would be hollering to fire him now.

Another example of how the grass isn't always greener on the other side.
 

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HanD;2562669 said:
he's willing to accept bad apples but doesn't take crap from them. he'll yell and get in his players faces. he likes to run the ball. he doesn't stand on the sideline with confused looks on his face. When he's had a QB, he's done pretty well (minus this year when he was on his 5th RB). shanahan's problem in dever was as GM, not as a coach IMO.

wade is the perfect DC IMO, i just don't like him for HC. I wanted him to stay HC based on him getting the defense going but the last 2 games of the year nixed that in my book.

gimme shanahan or shottenheimer with romeo/capers/nolan as DC if wade doesn't want to stick around as DC.


exactly...wade has done less than shanahan and shanahan had the bronco offense doing more than our offense with less talent and more injuries. it was the denver defense that failed, not the offense.

He goes for the 2 point conversion when all he need was the FG to get the tie and go to overtime not sure how smart of a move that was.
 

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NextGenBoys;2562674 said:
Wade ran an aggressive 3-4 defense, and his team led the league in sacks and was near the top in takeaways - which were two things we were trying to improve on in defense when Wade was hired.

In short, yes Wade was the perfect hire when he was brought in. An aggressive defense, and a fresh change of pace from Parcells. I dont think many had too much beef during the season when we were 13-3.

except he waited too long to implement HIS defense IMO and let brian stewart have too much leash. that was one of his failures as HC...not taking over sooner.




Doomsday101;2562676 said:
That offense did not do much over the last 3 games when all they needed was 1 win. Hell if he did that in Dallas the same people would be hollering to fire him now.

well....not an excuse but they were on their 5th RB. an offense can only do so much when you can't run the ball and have to rely on the passing game for everything. we were in the same boat except we HAD the ability to run....we chose not to IMO.
 

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NextGenBoys;2562680 said:
Another example of how the grass isn't always greener on the other side.

Of course it is, I have nothing aginst Shanahan but I know damn well many of the people hollering for Wade head would be doing the same with the next coach within 2 years, hell they did it to Parcells as well with the BS he coaches not to lose crap. Unless someone comes in and wins it all right off the bat many of these spoiled brat fans are not going to happy and demand the firing of the coach. At this rate Dallas will always been regrouping and relearning an entire system
 

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Doomsday101;2562683 said:
He goes for the 2 point conversion when all he need was the FG to get the tie and go to overtime not sure how smart of a move that was.

very true. i'm not saying he doesn't have question marks. but in the end, the move worked and wade has questionable moves as well....namely letting his players override him during games. to me that is a bigger concern. as HC, you have to have total control of the team...especially in game situations.
 
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