Why I feel it is Zeke or bust

[robjay04]

First of all, most years I am firmly against taking a running back high in the draft. I agree that you can find solid contributors at literally any point in the draft and we have an offensive line that can turn even average runners into superstars

This is not most drafts. We have a top 5 that will likely consist of a combination of couple quarterbacks that have each have huge question marks. A DE that doesn't grade out as an elite pass rusher and a secondary player without an exact position or an interception. We also have an injured linebacker getting some consideration. The best pure prospect is at a position we don't need(OL).

Besides Tunsil, how many of these players do you consider prospects that can be among the best at their position? How many of these prospects would have been considered top 5 or even top 10 players in previous years. Maybe Ramsey but besides that, I don't know if any of these guys sniff the top 10 in many previous draft years.

This is a strange draft on the top end by all measures and that is not disputable. Behind this OL, Zeke is a player that can be the best at his position for many years to come. He is more talented than Demarco Murray and will see more pro bowls than any other player we draft at number 4 behind this OL. He would make the defense better, he would make Tony Romo better. We would instantly have a better offense and defense with the addition of an elite runner and we would have the best running back game in the NFL waiting for our next QB to take over in 2-3 years.

 

[iceberg]

So glad we can have another thread on this. We were almost out.

 

[DFWJC]

First of all, most years I am firmly against taking a running back high in the draft. I agree that you can find solid contributors at literally any point in the draft and we have an offensive line that can turn even average runners into superstars

This is not most drafts. We have a top 5 that will likely consist of a combination of couple quarterbacks that have each have huge question marks. A DE that doesn't grade out as an elite pass rusher and a secondary player without an exact position or an interception. We also have an injured linebacker getting some consideration. The best pure prospect is at a position we don't need(OL).

Besides Tunsil, how many of these players do you consider prospects that can be among the best at their position? How many of these prospects would have been considered top 5 or even top 10 players in previous years. Maybe Ramsey but besides that, I don't know if any of these guys sniff the top 10 in many previous draft years.

This is a strange draft on the top end by all measures and that is not disputable. Behind this OL, Zeke is a player that can be the best at his position for many years to come. He is more talented than Demarco Murray and will see more pro bowls than any other player we draft at number 4 behind this OL. He would make the defense better, he would make Tony Romo better. We would instantly have a better offense and defense with the addition of an elite runner and we would have the best running back game in the NFL waiting for our next QB to take over in 2-3 years.

I think you spelled out good reasons to trade down some if possible. There are 8-10 players that maybe shouldn't be top 4 but are still great prospects worthy of a top dozen pick.
The risk of not getting one is next to zero if you don't trade down too far.
You may even get two of them by pairing the a 2nd rounder we'd get with a 3rd.

The 4 overall pick is worth TWO middle 1st rounders. With he lack of "sure things" at the top, This is an ideal year to take advantage of that.

The only argument against trading down is if there is a franchise player (one we can count on for 8-10 years) at 4 that we love and feel are missing a rare opportunity by not getting the player.
If that's the case, then take the player.

 

[CF74]

Trade down 7-12, then take him..

 

[robjay04]

I think you spelled out good reasons to trade down some if possible. There are 8-10 players that maybe shouldn't be top 4 but are still great prospects worthy of a top dozen pick.
The risk of not getting one is next to zero if you don't trade down too far.
You may even get two of them by pairing the a 2nd rounder we'd get with a 3rd.

The 4 overall pick is worth TWO middle 1st rounders. With he lack of "sure things" at the top, This is an ideal year to take advantage of that.

The only argument against trading down is if there is a franchise player (one we can count on for 8-10 years) at 4 that we love and feel are missing a rare opportunity by not getting the player.
If that's the case, then take the player.

I agree, trading down may not be an option, at least not one to get equal value. If we don't get good value in our offers...Is Zeke the only franchise player we can rely on?

If we are not going to have a franchise QB, might as well put together the best running game for the future. Even some of the scrubs we saw take the field in between Aikman and Romo would have had more success with a setup like that.

 

[DFWJC]

I agree, trading down may not be an option, at least not one to get equal value. If we don't get good value in our offers...Is Zeke the only franchise player we can rely on?

If we are not going to have a franchise QB, might as well put together the best running game for the future. Even some of the scrubs we saw take the field in between Aikman and Romo would have had more success with a setup like that.

Yeah, that's the argument. It's legit too.


I think Tunsil will be great, but kind of falls into the Zeke category of marginal returns ..but at least a LT would be possibly a 10+ year contributor.

I'm also in the camp that Boas will a great player for along time--even if he doesn't get you 15 sacks per year. Would prefer him a bit later too though.

I'd say the same about Ramsey if I knew we were playing him at safety. But I don't know that.

I just wonder if the overall team upgrade (short and long term) is great if we take a 1st round LT/DE/DT plus a later round RB vs the other way around.
It wouldn't surprise me too much if one of the later backs ends up close to Zeke long term...at a fraction of the cost.
Hard to find dominant lineman (both sides of the ball) later in the draft. Not the case with RBs.

 

[Cas2800]

I agree with you on Zeke. Ramsey might be an excellent player but without a pass rush it defeats the purpose and DB's can only cover for so long. We have invested heavily on the offensive line and having a good RB with preserve and extend Romo's playing time. I'm all for trading down if Tunsil is still on the board and we can trade down a few sports and still get Elliott. If not I'm for taking Elliott at #4.

 

[BrassCowboy]

I think you spelled out good reasons to trade down some if possible. There are 8-10 players that maybe shouldn't be top 4 but are still great prospects worthy of a top dozen pick.
The risk of not getting one is next to zero if you don't trade down too far.
You may even get two of them by pairing the a 2nd rounder we'd get with a 3rd.

The 4 overall pick is worth TWO middle 1st rounders. With he lack of "sure things" at the top, This is an ideal year to take advantage of that.

The only argument against trading down is if there is a franchise player (one we can count on for 8-10 years) at 4 that we love and feel are missing a rare opportunity by not getting the player.
If that's the case, then take the player.

Well the one player worth that 4 spot considering other teams gonna move up to grab if he is there just a few spots down (Miami is one of them) is Ezekiel Elliott.

Moving down out of top ten does not make the players they would get at 10 any better so stay at 4 and grab the player that would make a huge difference for this team

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Thursday can't come quick enough.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The draft groupthink is starting to get to me. The draft cannot get here soon enough.

 

[DFWJC]

Well the one player worth that 4 spot considering other teams gonna move up to grab if he is there just a few spots down (Miami is one of them) is Ezekiel Elliott.

Moving down out of top ten does not make the players they would get at 10 any better so stay at 4 and grab the player that would make a huge difference for this team

No, the players teams would up for are Tunsil and Ramsey..maybe even Bosa and Buckner...all before Elliott...imo, of course.

 

[ChooChoo73]

First of all, most years I am firmly against taking a running back high in the draft. I agree that you can find solid contributors at literally any point in the draft and we have an offensive line that can turn even average runners into superstars

This is not most drafts. We have a top 5 that will likely consist of a combination of couple quarterbacks that have each have huge question marks. A DE that doesn't grade out as an elite pass rusher and a secondary player without an exact position or an interception. We also have an injured linebacker getting some consideration. The best pure prospect is at a position we don't need(OL).

Besides Tunsil, how many of these players do you consider prospects that can be among the best at their position? How many of these prospects would have been considered top 5 or even top 10 players in previous years. Maybe Ramsey but besides that, I don't know if any of these guys sniff the top 10 in many previous draft years.

This is a strange draft on the top end by all measures and that is not disputable. Behind this OL, Zeke is a player that can be the best at his position for many years to come. He is more talented than Demarco Murray and will see more pro bowls than any other player we draft at number 4 behind this OL. He would make the defense better, he would make Tony Romo better. We would instantly have a better offense and defense with the addition of an elite runner and we would have the best running back game in the NFL waiting for our next QB to take over in 2-3 years.

Would you still want Zeke at 4 if you knew Garrett would give the same number of reps to Morris and/or McFadden this season?

 

[DandyDon1722]

Well the one player worth that 4 spot considering other teams gonna move up to grab if he is there just a few spots down (Miami is one of them) is Ezekiel Elliott.

Moving down out of top ten does not make the players they would get at 10 any better so stay at 4 and grab the player that would make a huge difference for this team

You might be right on Miami - there are whispers...

 

[Teague31]

We really need Ramsey to go #3.

 

[Craig]

There is one team whose franchise player is a rb, and that team isnt good. If they draft elliott, he has value for 4 years and after that becomes an albatross to keep. Thats best case scenario.

 

[JoeKing]

Everyone was loving DeMarco Murray and his 1800yrs two years ago but they seem to forget he was a 3rd round draft pick. Now folks want a great RB on the team again but for some reason think we have to use our 1st round pick to get it. That's just poor management of draft picks, IMHO. We can use that 1st pick to fill a bigger weakness and still have the 2nd or 3rd pick to get great RB talent. It doesn't have to be Zeke but that's the rabbit hole some folks fall in.

 

[robjay04]

Would you still want Zeke at 4 if you knew Garrett would give the same number of reps to Morris and/or McFadden this season?

I don't think he would. He wants to have a bellcow. That is evident by the last two seasons. Last year we were expecting a timeshare but it was mainly Randle till he messed up and then we just fed the ball to McFadden.

 

[iceberg]

Thursday can't come quick enough.

hey - did you hear we could trade down and get him? that was a fresh revelation.....

 

[percyhoward]

We would instantly have a better offense and defense with the addition of an elite runner and we would have the best running back game in the NFL.

Two years ago, and as usual, the defense was ultimately our undoing. Tell me how Elliott leading the league changes that, when Murray leading the league didn't.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

hey - did you hear we could trade down and get him? that was a fresh revelation.....