Why Marion Barber wins out in preseason

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This is NOT a Julius Jones bashing thread. In fact I have high hopes for the guy. STILL doesnt change the fact that I believe Barber will be our starter this year. IMO Barber is just a more consistant type workhorse runner. May not have the ability to break as many long ones as JJ but will consistantly give you positive yardage. Think he 's a tuff inside runner also. Looks alot more natural as a pass reciever out of the backfield too. This is year 3 for JJ now, he HAS TO prove he can stay on the field and not get injured. Just dont see it happening, in the end I see JJ as a nice change of pace back for Barber. Think Barber can wear em down and JJ can come in and break a big one or two. Now heres the biggy.................IMO if your running a twin T.E offense with no F.B then you BETTER have a h.b in there who can passblock. From what ive seen Barber is far and away a better passblocker than Julius. Better strength and better overall recognition at picking up the blitz. Pre season should be VERY telling.
 

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Not even a chance. JJ is so much more a talented back the competition is over before it begins. The only chance MBIII has is if Jones gets hurt.
 

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I don't think anyone predicted this, not even Parcellls, yet here we are. I totally agree, I see twice the RB in Barber that I do in Jones. It's the injuries that completely kill him. He can never (or atleast in these first 2 years) continuelly move forward, progress wise. It's like he's up the ladder, down the ladder, up the ladder, down the ladder. The type of back who badluck just prohibits from ever reaching the top of that ladder. Barber on the other hand though is just such a workhorse in the way he attacks running. He seems to always be going up that 'ladder'. And when he's not, he's throwing that ladder on his back and taking it with him. Reminds me of Emmitt in that perspective. And all of the Jones' camp supporters are even starting to remind me of Emmitt detractors in the beginning, constantly pointing out the 'reasons' why Barber could never be a complete NFL running back and only concentrating on "all" of the "great" things Julius brings to the table, all the things "you just have to have" in a RB if you want any chance of being successful in this league. Our fanbase seems really good at pointing out all of the reasons "why" and then on the other hand totally ignoring all of the reasons why not once we finally get a player in our "hearts", such as Julius is. BUT IMO, chronically occuring injuries, can NOT be ignored - not if your name is Julius Jones, not if your name is Tuna Cavana Boy-oops I mean, Terry Glenn. Give me the hardnoses like Barber and Keyshawn any day of the week over the health insurance rate raisers. If our offense faulters this upcoming season, I see the injuries of these two men, two players we should have seriously thought about replacing for more consistant types, I see their injuries as the one roadblock to our overall success this year. I mean how many years in a row is the absence of Terry Glenn going to inhibit our passing game? I mean serious, Bill Parcells, I would like to know this answer! You get rid of the one guy who plays through ANY injury for the guy made of glass. Regrettably I see the same outcome happening at the RB position this season just like it has the last 3 at WR with Glenn, Parcells will feel a twinge of "loyalty" and play it to a "fault". All of the continued chances he's given Jones the first two years tells me he really likes something about this kid, and just like with Glenn I believe it will effect his evaluation - unlike everyone else he judges on "production", he'll add Jones into the club of evaluating on "potential". Lucky for Barber and Crayton, though, cause they're almost guaranteed some playing time!! Like atleast a third of a season, lol. Just not so lucky for us overall as a team cause we'll be having to change direction once these two hit the field in replacement fulltime around novemeber - coincedetally the very time a serious push towards the playoffs needs to be made. Every year just seems like the same story. And like last year, if it isn't injury, it's someother "omigod freak occurance" :rolleyes: that removes Glenn from our offensive attack. But back to the topic at hand; Jones is on the cusp of turning into that same team destroying "goodguy", oft-injured entity...or whatever excuse the excuse of the day is.
 

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The thing Barber has is size.

Vela was saying he is going to be playing 230lb this year. That is a thumper, especially the way Barber plays. If Barber makes a good 2nd year improvement, like many players do, this is not outlandish.

I still think JJ will have his best season, but I am interested to see how Barber performs in the Preseason.
 

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I like Barber but Jones is a better back. Also go back and watch last years games, and Barber put the football on the ground too much. Lucky he recovered them or the ref said down by contact. Tyson Thompson is the back I am interested in. He has speed and size needs to be more agile, better at catching the football, and a better blocker in pass protection.
 

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Barber will contribute, especially on 3rd downs or obvious passing downs, but Jones is the guy barring another injury. Thompson is on the bubble if the kid from South Carolina shows anything. All Thompson has shown is straight line speed on sweeps. There's been no evidence of any "wiggle" to avoid tacklers and he's not a bull who can run them over.
 

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Let's end the confusion.

Barber will be the starter....once Julius goes down with another injury.:laugh1:
 

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Please!
Do you watch Julius at all?
The guy can pass block fine, he is by far the better runner. The only area Barber excels at is he can run inside a LITTLE better.
Also anyone notice how much more the defense stacks the run vs. JJ?
I mean it compares to Ham-bone coming in for Emmitt and everyone wanted him as the starter.
Barber is a good all around RB, however he cannot open the game up like JJ.
If JJ stays healthy all will be on his bandwagon, and until he shows he cannot stay healthy, he is the starter!
 

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no matter how many tons of bs you shovel or spread, jj will be the starting back this year and it is his job to lose..........

doesnt mean he wont lose it, just plain his to lose, and if one of the others can take it away from him then we get the better part of the bargain in the long run.........:moonbart:
 

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same old same old. Partisans of both sides will not see the truth: IT IS JJ's job to lose- and only if he is injured will it happen. Even then, JUST HOW MUCH has Barber showed? NOT MUCH. His big game was against ARIZONA.
He is a good back- a little like Robert Newhouse only not as strong. He was our starting RB untill TD came in- after that there was no debate. JJ forces the D to account for him on every play. MB does not. If the line is lousy, no back is going to do much. MB is a little better blocker and a little better inside runner and a little better pass receiver. BUT none of that amounts to much when JJ breaks a 40 or 50 ydr. JJ forces the D to respect him; MB cannot.
 

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FURTHERMORE: If JJ gets injured again and BP gives up on him, Dallas will draft another guy to take his place. IT WILL NEVER be MB's job- he will only keep the seat warm. Untill the next BETTER back comes in.
 

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No question about it.......Julius Joones is our starting running back and will be for 16 games this year. Book it!
 

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Barber, IMO, is not a starter. He's a nice change of pace guy. A guy that he can can get you a few starts every now and then.
 

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BrAinPaiNt said:
Let's end the confusion.

Barber will be the starter....once Julius goes down with another injury.:laugh1:

:hammer:
sad but probably true.
 

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It seems pretty simple to me, Jones will kill the kind of drives that Barber can keep alive. Furthermore it's not Jones that must be acounted for on every play, but rather Barber. Obviously both must be accounted for when they get a hand off, but Barber must always be accounted for on passing plays since he will reliably pick up and stone the first man that comes free past the Offensive Line, but if you don't cover him when he slips out of the backfield, he will make your pay. Quite Frankly, Jones is neither a big deterent to blitzers nor is he reliable enough to scheme against when coming out of the backfield. And as long as you don't leave any gaping holes along the line of scrimmage, he's not much of a threat up the middle.

What is the knock on Barber? I just don't see any major holes in his game, like I do with Jones.
 

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MiStar said:
It seems pretty simple to me, Jones will kill the kind of drives that Barber can keep alive. Furthermore it's not Jones that must be acounted for on every play, but rather Barber.

How does JJ kill drives that does not make any sense to me? Barber can kill a drive just as much by not being able to get into a hole that JJ probably can.

And as for accounting for an RB, you have to do that ever play regardless of who it is. If a guys is not accounted for he will burn you...unless its T-Ham
 

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Yea know, first impulse is that Jones just has more vision, speed and natural god-given talent.

BUT, then I try to think like a football coach and it occurs to me that MB is a better blocker already and will only get stronger in that area. He is not going to be a flashy or explosive guy but he could be a very good all-around Roger Craig type.

And Jones might be a better player with 15 carries per game against tired defenses. His speed versus tired defenses has always been breath-taking. Seee the Seattle game 2 years ago for instance.

I expect we use both anyway and I'd ultimately not have a problem with Jones coming in 2nd.
 

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Anyone with any real knowledge of the NFL would laugh at someone trying to claim that MB inspires anywhere near the fear JJ does. MB has never taken over a game- never taken the whole team on his back and carried them. And he won't because he just does not have it.
 

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I'm convinced Parcells wants Julius to be the main back for 1st and 2nd downs and have Barber as the 3rd down back who occasionally spells Julius.

Near the end of last year, there were times where I couldn't believe that Parcells was sticking with Julius instead of going with Barber. Sometimes it wasn't Julius' fault with the poor blocking, but there were some games he just awful by himself. Yet, Parcells stuck with him. It was a bit puzzling on short yardage situations as Julius has shown that he's not very good at running on short yardage or catching passes out of the backfield, but Barber is the exact opposite. Even still, Parcells would stick with Julius in those situations.


Rich.....
 

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Ken said:
The thing Barber has is size.

Vela was saying he is going to be playing 230lb this year. That is a thumper, especially the way Barber plays. If Barber makes a good 2nd year improvement, like many players do, this is not outlandish.

I still think JJ will have his best season, but I am interested to see how Barber performs in the Preseason.

If Barber comes in a 230, Parcells will be all over him. That would be a 20 pound increase.
 
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