Why not grab Baker Mayfield? Dak may not be the answer

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and what did dak do in 1st half?? how many 3 and outs? how many drives for a score?
'all i am saying is in that game baker did a better job than dak.

also people keep saying dak is a good leader, but really he is just good socially , he isnt really a great football leader during games.
he is well liked by other players because of his social skills.

i will give you guys an example
how many times has dak counted the players on defense and got the ball snapped so other team gets a penalty ?.....0
Rodgers does that frequently.

That last play in wc game shows that dak is not a smart leader
the cowboys scored 14 points in the half....gave up 31. so you are complaining why we didn't score 35. 14 is about average for most good teams in the league...you complain about scoring zero points in 2nd quarter I assume. but is expectations that you have to score every quarter of every game? we gave up 200 yards rushing in the first half alone....let that sink in for a second or two....most games if you give up 200 yards rushing, then its a bad game. your defense got owned. ran over. crushed....we did it in FIRST HALF alone.

you want to spin the incompetence of a defense into Dak's fault for not scoring 35 in a half. so he had to compensate for incompetence of the defense. he didn't couldn't. so he sucks.. gotch ya....

oh, and yes, here we go again. Dak is not Brady, because Brady did this and Dak couldn't. Dak is not Rodgers. because Rodgers did this other thing and Dak didn't....news for you. Dak is not rodgers. he is not brady. he will never be either. but yeah, lets fault him for that..

its clear you want a HOF type QB for the team and we don't have one. haven't had one since Aikman. but yeah, lets fault them for their inability to be HOF QBs...because lord knows I have to have something to complain about
 

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Dakko our LEADER only scored 14 pts in the first 3 Quarters of the game??
Not surprising as this happens quite frequently with Dakko at the helm!!!


Final
1 2 3 4 T
CLE 7 24 10 8 49
DAL 14 0 0 24 38

P.S. The Garbage truck just arrived......late as usual in the 4th Quarter!!
are you talking about the garbage defense that gave up 200 yards rushing.....IN A HALF...ok, I am with you on that....the WORST DEFENSE IN NFL HISTORY.
 

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With Baker

1. I don't give up a draft pick, only if he is a FA.
2. Salary befitting a BU, maybe 3-5 million/year.


I'm not sold on Dak, but I'm not sold on Baker either. Neither is a terrible QB, but Baker ain't worth 20 million/year and Dak ain't worth 40 million/year.
 

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I think some of us here are bored with dak, and know he just isnt good enough, so we want another qb.
But jerry wont tank for a good draft pick, so the only option is a trade or FA.
and that is prevented by daks contract, unless he would agree to a trade.

so basically dallas is stuck with dak, probably for another 5 years or longer.
so get ready for playoffs and 1or 2 and done for next 5 years. some years maybe no playoffs.
Seasons may be entertaining though and you can brag to other fans of other teams that Dallas won their division !!!!!!

If the jones boys were smart they could have gone after wilson, and once he was here, maybe dak might agree to a trade rather
than sit on the bench? it is possible. And if not you have the best bkup qb in the nfl making 40 million !
If wilson struggles put dak in, when dak struggles put wilson back in.
Teams would have to prepare for and deal with 2 different qbs each game.

the Birm team in usfl went with 2 starting qb's, both different skills, but both were good, and it worked, they went undefeated, and headed to champ game.
 

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Lol Mayfield certainly isn't the answer. One of the most overrated QB's of all time.
 

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are you talking about the garbage defense that gave up 200 yards rushing.....IN A HALF...ok, I am with you on that....the WORST DEFENSE IN NFL HISTORY.
that has nothing to do with fact that dallas could not score at all even a fg in qrt 2 and 3.
had they scored some points in those qrts they might win the game.

Also check for 3 and outs and turnovers, your defense can get wore out being on the field too much and too long, with no help from offense.
 

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Lol Mayfield certainly isn't the answer. One of the most overrated QB's of all time.
yeah but he has had a lot of coaching changes, was glorified too much early on,
the few games I have seen, he played fairly good.
I hated that stupid commercial though !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:angry::angry:
That was the dumbest series of commercials I have ever seen

Also cleveland is only dumping baker because they got watson, aka massage boy !:lmao: who has not played in a long time now.
so I am curious to see how clev does with him, if they pull a dallas and are one and done in playoffs, or fail to make playoffs, then they
are no better with watson.

I think sometimes a coach blames the qb, for not getting to or winning in playoffs, so tells gm to get him a better one. And in reality
it isnt the qb's fault, it may be the HC or other things.
I think Mcvay did this with goff, who was bad, but by getting rid of him it gave mcvay the excuse of well my qb wasnt good enough !

The rams did win the SB, and stafford is better than goff, but the rams had some close games and could have easily not made it to or won SB.
 

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I am probably in the minority, but if we could add Mayfield at backup pay, I would do it. I know the concensus is that he is on the way out, but Mayfield has always shined when he has had to compete. It would not surprise me to see him Wally Pip Dak if Dak went down to injury or poor play.
 

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ok guys, I never said baker was a better qb, or that dallas should get him, as I know they wont so why discuss it.
I only commented as some were saying dak is better and a better leader.

I wasnt doing a comparison based on one game sample size.
I was just saying that when they met head to head baker did better than dak and won the game, which is the bottom line.

if you look at the scores
CLE 7 24 10 8 49
DAL 14 0 0 24 38

dak and dallas started off good, then I guess cleveland made adjustments, and dak could not score any points for the next 2 qrts !
That is pretty bad by any standards, if dak is top 10 qb, better than baker and a better leader, how could he go scoreless for 2 qrt's?

Some blamed our defense, but if your offense is going 3 and out, not scoring at all, there is a problem with the offense as well.

and this game is when people noticed that dak couldnt score until cleveland was so far ahead they thought they had the game won,
and they let off the gas and let dallas move the ball, but then dallas scored a little too quickly, and it became a game again at very end, until
dak threw a int in ez I think.
I think this is the game where people starting talking about dak doing a lot in garbage time.
The browns ran for 300 yards in that game. Yeah. Its Daks fault lol. The Cowboys led by Dak tied that game. Jaylon Smith forgot how to drop on a live ball and the rest is history.
 

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LOL. Folks hate Deion because he was a bit of a "Look at me Louie", but here we are discussing Baker Mayfield. At least Deion was an elite talent, Baker is trash.
 

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One of the dumbest threads ever created on CZ. The thought of Mayfield supplanting Dak as our starting QB is ridiculous.
 

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On one hand most here say the running game needs to be fixed to help this offense, then turn around and say "Hey lets get Baker" who couldn't win with a top end running game and a much better defense than we have. Why is logic never involved in a Cowboys QB conversation.
 

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I dont know corso, baker won the last game they played.

And as far as Stats go, we all know Dak is the nfl champ when it comes to stats lol.

But really as I keep saying, it is hard to compare QB's or say 1 is better than another.
They all work with diff coaches and players.

If dak used his legs more and slid instead of being tackled, he would not have got hurt, and that added to his overall potential.
Now Dak is mainly a passing qb, and he just isnt that good of a passer. I dont know about baker, as I havent seen him play but like 2-3 games.
valid points indeed
 

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There isn’t a starting QB in the NFL that would be the answer for the Cowboys because QB isn’t the problem.
 

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I never said Dak was a world beater. Furthermore, this discussion isn't about whether Dak is better than Mahomes, Allen, Rodgers or Brady. It's about whether he's better than Baker Mayfield.
I believe Dak is. I think Dak has his flaws. I have criticized him for them.
But, again, you raised the comparison between Dak and Mayfield
Mayfield has had a better defense, better running backs, better offensive line and arguably better receivers than Dak. In fact, some were suggesting the Browns were simply a quarterback away from the Super Bowl before Baker got to Cleveland. And yet ... Baker hasn't been able to get it done.
And what's so telling is that the Browns are ready to walk away from their No. 1 overall draft pick of the 2018 draft and gamble with Deshaun "Rub Me Right" Watson, who may not see a meaningful snap in quite some time.
The Browns want NOTHING to do with the first overall draft pick at the most important position on the field. And apparently, no other team even wants to sniff him at his current salary, which any team thinking he's worth anything would gladly pay for a $20 million quarterback if he had something, anything.
That's extremely telling about what other franchise and the Browns think of Baker's ability.
For all of Dak's flaws, the Cowboys organization isn't trying to oust him.
I appreciate your thread, but you're wrong on this one, buddy.
The issue here is that dak appears to have peaked 2 years ago and has been very inconsistent . At 42 mil a year, you don't want a maybe at QB. Defenses know how to play him and the good ones almost alwayd beat him. the stats don't tell how many crucial throws he has made. The cowboys have limited options here and Dak and zeke's contracts prevent them from acquiring elite Qbs. Not to mention jerry wont admit Dak is not the guy to take the cowboys to the super bowl. Mayfield has had his ups and downs but have seen him make very difficult throws or plays which i doubt dak does consistently. Not to mention the division dak is in is much easier than the AFC North.
The browns are dysfunctional and make horrible decision as we can see with the situation with Deshaun and the OBJ and now Mayfield's contract , so not sure you can read much into what their analysis is.
I would argue Dak has had much better OL and Receivers over Browns. may would argue running game too. But i believe the browns have a better running game as we have seen zeke continue to slide downwards
 

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On one hand most here say the running game needs to be fixed to help this offense, then turn around and say "Hey lets get Baker" who couldn't win with a top end running game and a much better defense than we have. Why is logic never involved in a Cowboys QB conversation.
your argument is that the cowboys are much worse than the browns and that is why dak should be excused for 1 win in the playoffs in 6 years. The Browns were 1-36 before baker's era by the way.
many would also argue the cowboys have better receivers and OL. The excuses for dak have to stop at some stage .
 

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so let me get this straight. he has some of the higher stats, etc..... he has a winning record and if not for 2020, has never had a losing season. and its all because its garbage time stats....losing but collecting stats in losing games...

so how does that go again? you win a lot of games, 13, 12, etc...but you have garbage time stats because you lost a lot of games.....

question and I am really serious. what color is the sky in your world? and how is that Basil you smoked?
You are too impressed with dak and don't want any discussion about alternatives. I get it.
Get another coffee and stop dreaming he will take this franchise to a super bowl.
 
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