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Why not grab Baker Mayfield? Dak may not be the answer

Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by basel90, Jun 12, 2022.

  1. basel90

    basel90 Well-Known Member

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    are you still blind to facts ? or just a dak slobberer as usual
    see my reply to big dog

    https://www.draftsharks.com/fantasy/injury-history/dak-prescott/7453

    as recent as march 2022 he had a surgery on his shoulder . not to mention last season many losses or dak slump was blamed on his calf . Plus of course his major injury the season before.
    I also recall the loss against the eagles in 2019 in the crucial game with playoff implications, the excuse for the loss is that he had a bum shoulder . etc etc .
    At the end of the day , 1 playoff win at home in 6 years , and that win was in 2018 season !!
     
  2. OmerV

    OmerV Well-Known Member

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    Other than the ankle you're talking about the bumps,, bruises, strains and aches all players go through.

    You can look at any QB that has been around more than a year or two and find strains and pains and minor injuries. That's life in the NFL, not just a Dak thing.

    You downgrade Dak because he had a very minor cleanup procedure on his non throwing shoulder this offseason, yet you promote Mayfield even though he also had an offseason surgery. You also talk up Stafford, but he didn't throw in OTAs because of inflammation & injections in his elbow this offseason. This is all just part of the maintenance of NFL players.
     
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  3. TwoDeep3

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    28 pages and you are still defending this idea. Wow.
     
  4. basel90

    basel90 Well-Known Member

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    of course these are issues all NFL players go through , the main point is the excuses with Dak. . Last season slump was blamed on his calf . Did you see his 6-7 game slump and the excuses? he even admitted he is in a slump and the excuse given is that his calf was an issue, The reality is he has limitations especialy against good teams . Many QBs have that issue. the problem is , not all of them are paid 40 mil a year.
     
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  5. CowboyFrog

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    Again i get you dont like him but at least wait till he is paid 40 mill (2023) to say he sucks for 40 mill....right now you would need to say he has limitations that 19 mill a year QB's dont have.
     
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  6. GINeric

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    Peyton Manning and Drew Brees only had 1 playoff win in their first 6 years like Dak and Matt Stafford had ZERO playoff wins in his first six years. Dak also had better stats than Brees and Stafford in their first 6 years. Dak also had a few better stats in some categories than P. Manning in their first 6 years.

    Again we're comparing their first 6 years, not Dak's 6 years against their whole career body of work. Dak, P. Manning and Brees ALL only had one playoff win in their first six years.... Stafford had ZERO.

    So what should I take from this since you emphasized the "one playoff win in 6 years"?? Apparently that isn't the end of a quarterback's career since others have proved that getting better is possible, correct??
     
  7. 75boyz

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    I "kind of" have a problem that he made $75 million dollars last year as part of that contract. Sarcasm extreme. I dont care about Stephen's contract structuring history, up front signing bonus, OR what the average future salary is projected to be.
    THAT (last year)was criminally overpaid regardless if you view the signing bonus money as separate(l don't).
    The future projected average salaries are extreme overpayments as well.

    jmo
     
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  8. basel90

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    You would certainly be correct if he has anything resembling the careers of these HOF QBs . Which I seriously doubt given what we have seen so far from him .
     
  9. GINeric

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    Again... at this point in all of their careers... they all only had one playoff win, but Dak had better stats than they did. You're looking at it from those quarterbacks body of work over 13 to 15 years against Dak's 6 years. That's not fair. Compare their first 6 years across the board. They all had ONE playoff win and Dak had better overall stats than they did.

    So based off of the 6 year mark, if you seriously doubt Dak can improve like other quarterbacks have managed to do.... did you doubt from what you've so far from them that Manning, Brees, and Stafford at THEIR 6th year mark with equal playoff wins and lesser stats than Dak??
     
  10. basel90

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    I think the stats can be deceiving given the game rules have favored the QB and the offense in the recent changes . Many QBs are completing more passes . It is a different era . Plus , the cowboys have enjoyed playing against the weakest division In the NFL .Comparing the talents of these QBs with Dak solely on the stats can be misleading . Any expert would tell you Dak is not in these QBs league . That is my opinion from what I have seen Dak do and fail to do in many games .
     
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  11. kskboys

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    It's like you quoted the wrong person. Strange stuff, dude.
     
  12. kskboys

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    He doesn't have anywhere near the same skillset as those QB's.
     
  13. OmerV

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    Apparently you haven't looked at Mayfield's history. Or maybe you just have a double standard

    5 games last year Mayfield had fewer than 200 yards passing, and 9 games he had fewer than 250. Mayfield was also notably lower in the efficiency stats (completion %, QR, passer rating …)
     
  14. basel90

    basel90 Well-Known Member

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    agree
     
  15. basel90

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    he had a terrible year for sure , mainly probably due to the injury early on , he should not have played injured .
    You see to think dak is a much better QB , which i really doubt. Dak would not have survived the AFC North, i think mayfield is a better pure passer than Dak . But i know you will not change your mind .
     
  16. GINeric

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    Ohhh.... so when its in Dak's favor, stats can be misleading huh.... lol!!! You know what, I respect your opinion, but Dak obviously was right there with them at the 6 year mark.

    Then you've mentioned... the Cowboys have enjoyed playing in the weakest division, correct??? So do that mean we have to throw out Brady's stats for 15 years of playing in the weakest division with the Dolphins, Bills, and Jets???
     
  17. basel90

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    Brady cannot be compared to dak with all respect . Yes brady had a weak division , but have you seen his record in the playoffs , on the road and in super bowls ? there is no comparison . Actually it is the important games playoffs or against good teams is where Dak is at his worst. Not all games can be blamed on him but he has issues reading defenses and making the difficult throws.
    The comparison with brady is kind of funny and i will take it as a joke .
     
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  18. GINeric

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    Honestly I was not comparing him and Dak. Stevie Wonder can see that's an unfair comparison because Brady is the GOAT. Im just saying that weakness of divisions can't just be used against Dak an not brought up for others.

    The whole "Dak can't beat good teams" thing is so hilarious to me because Dak has done his part in many games against good teams, but its not his fault the defense and coaching staff didn't do their parts in those games. Im not sitting here saying Dak never played bad against good teams, im just saying everything isn't Dak's fault like many try to make it appear to be.

    Dak's ranked in the top 10 currently for a reason.

    On a side note, since we're talking about Dak.... we blew Washington out twice last season with Dak. Brady struggled and loss against Washington. Yep the GOAT is human!! But should i take anything away from that?? Of course not.
     
  19. OmerV

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    Ahhh, so with Mayfield injuries are an excuse …. yep, I was right, you have a double standard.

    You say Dak shouldn't get an excuse for injury, but say Mayfield should get an excuse for injury.
    You say Dak has been inconsistent, but you advocate for a QB that has been much more inconsistent

    As for what you personally think, that's irrelevant to decisions the Cowboys have to make. They have to go on the facts they have, and the reality that the reason to make a bold move regarding Dak would be if there is a clear opportunity to make a clear upgrade, and there is simply no way to argue that Mayfield represents that.
     
  20. 75boyz

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    The strange part to me is that so many use the weak division claim to Brady's dominance.

    But then the strange part comes in because that only comprises 6 of 16 games every year. What happened in the other 10 most every year? What was Brady's career record outside of his division, against NFC opponents and all the while facing a first place schedule every year?

    Yeah, the infamous Brady took advantage of the AFC East thing needs a little more context like what Ive mentioned here imo to get a better overall description.

    And as you posted, the Brady post season success speaks for itself.

    jmo
     
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