Why our offense has struggled lately

[pansophy]

Stats can be cherry picked and generally are, and AI is notorious for being FUBAR.

The convo is based on analysis. Analysis consists of several things: Stats, Experts, Eyeball. Among others. I never use just one item to evaluate play. And you should know by now that I don't parttake in the Personal Feelings trash. That's for the Dak threads where the people reiterate and misrepresent ad nauseum.

I like Prescott as a QB, don't love him but I like him. His salary is definitely bad for the team.

One of the big problems w/ Dak is that Jerry does him no favors. Jerry doesn't even understand maximizing a players skillset by how you use him and by the players around him. Right now, for instance, Dak desperately misses having a slot WR, the guy who just can't be covered in the seam.

Those are things I have both observed and read. When I watch him play, I've noticed that he's inconsistent throwing long. Downfield, whatever you want to call it. I believe he's a good at the 10-30 yard ropes, and that they underutilize that part of his game. And right now, we desperately need a better short game to open up the mid passing game. Teams don't respect our short game because we don't use it enough.

You don’t think Cee Dee lining up in the slot is good enough — real question. Like what would a ‘true’ slot guy give. Personally between Cee Dee, Fitzgerald, and Pickens there should be enough talent. These last few games both tackles just seem like they don’t belong out there. That would be the thing I’d change first, hence the open competition at RT right now.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

To be fair, those guys are are the best and Dak's not. Too bad he gets paid like he is. But even a guy like Mayfield whose offense has been decimated by injuries. And Mayfield does get paid to his ability, IMO.

this pay stuff is irrelevant. unless you think Purdy is better than Mahomes who is now 10th in pay.

the market is what it is. has nothing to do with how QBs re ranked. perception or not.

so people have to separate the market value from all of this.

and yes, he has to play better. I am not arguin that.

 

[Relayer]

this pay stuff is irrelevant. unless you think Purdy is better than Mahomes who is now 10th in pay.

the market is what it is. has nothing to do with how QBs re ranked. perception or not.

so people have to separate the market value from all of this.

and yes, he has to play better. I am not arguin that.

I think Baker plays for half of what Dak gets. If you don't think that matters, I don't know what to think. And I never said Dak is the only overpaid QB in the league.

 

[kskboys]

DEFENSE wins championships and in the playoffs. Ive seen a few great Defenses with cap gun offenses win it all. Ive never seen a TOP OFFENSE with no D win before.

It has never happened. Even the Rams could never win it until they built their D(4th in the NFL)

 

[kskboys]

2019 IIRC, KC defense was terrible. And who's talking about winning it all? We're talking lifetime 2-5 in the playoffs lifetime.

Nope, incorrect. Their D was 17th that year. 7th in points allowed.

 

[kskboys]

this pay stuff is irrelevant. unless you think Purdy is better than Mahomes who is now 10th in pay.

the market is what it is. has nothing to do with how QBs re ranked. perception or not.

so people have to separate the market value from all of this.

and yes, he has to play better. I am not arguin that.

No it's not. BUFF and KC are in the process of finding that out. A big part of KC being 5-5 is the players they had to let go to pay Mahomes. If they'd have been able to keep NNadi, they win that last game.

Paying a QB 50 mil/season sucks away your talent. After paying him, you have a 2-3 year window before things start falling apart. It's happening to KC as we speak. Already happened to Cincy, and possibly to SF.

 

[nhcowboyfan]

Yeah but when Quinn was here the defense also turtled against good offenses for the most part. Especially if said offense was willing to commit to the run. Beyond that you can certainly disagree but the offense put up well over 350 yards against the Cardinals and the only reason they didn't score more was fumbles from guys trying to do too much, penalties from .. hell I don't know where those come from and play calling in the red zone. Schotty's refusal to play bully ball in the red zone with all the beef we have up front is absolutely inexcusable. Any time we have first and goal the mindset absolutely needs to be hammer it in on the ground. Not drop back and open ourselves up to the blown assignment sack or a holding penalty.

With you on the red zone mentality, especially within the 10. I don't know how many times I see 1st and goal from the 2 or 3 yard line and teams are throwing the ball.

 

[IceStar-D7]

Two names. Dak and Schotty. Missed guys opened and missed reads. Redzone offense and predictability. And Ferguson obviously has too much of that money on his back pocket. Guy has gotten slower than Witten - without Witten numbers.

 

[GINeric]

Well, why has Dallas still not made the NFC conference championship despite this alleged "top offense", while these other offenses do actually put points on the board?

I'll patiently wait...

Probably because a football team is made up of more units than just an offense. No offense can do the job of all three phases of a football team and make it to a championship game. That has never been done.

You see how easy it was to answer your question?

Now when are you going to answer my question? Grown folks don't answer a question with a question. So again, if the Cowboys only had a top offense due to playing "bottom dwelling defenses", why haven't other offenses WHO PLAYED THE SAME DEFENSES, become a top offense?

Let's see if you can actually answer the question this time.

I'll patiently wait....

 

[kskboys]

You don’t think Cee Dee lining up in the slot is good enough — real question. Like what would a ‘true’ slot guy give. Personally between Cee Dee, Fitzgerald, and Pickens there should be enough talent. These last few games both tackles just seem like they don’t belong out there. That would be the thing I’d change first, hence the open competition at RT right now.

No, I don't. He's not quick enough and doesn't have that fireplug build a WR needs to stay healthy playing in the slot.

A true slot guy gives consistent open looks. Keeps the QB from holding onto the ball too long and moves the chains.

Remember all those times against the Cards and Broncs when Dak couldn't find anyone open? That's where your slot guy comes in.

 

[pansophy]

No, I don't. He's not quick enough and doesn't have that fireplug build a WR needs to stay healthy playing in the slot.

A true slot guy gives consistent open looks. Keeps the QB from holding onto the ball too long and moves the chains.

Remember all those times against the Cards and Broncs when Dak couldn't find anyone open? That's where your slot guy comes in.

And is it fair to say you don’t think Turpin can play that role?

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I think Baker plays for half of what Dak gets. If you don't think that matters, I don't know what to think. And I never said Dak is the only overpaid QB in the league.

why does it matter? because of Cap? or your perception of value?

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

No it's not. BUFF and KC are in the process of finding that out. A big part of KC being 5-5 is the players they had to let go to pay Mahomes. If they'd have been able to keep NNadi, they win that last game.

Paying a QB 50 mil/season sucks away your talent. After paying him, you have a 2-3 year window before things start falling apart. It's happening to KC as we speak. Already happened to Cincy, and possibly to SF.

OMG. not that again. they won three superbowls and went to another one recently. at some point your players get old, and you lose some players and you pick at the bottom of the round and miss on talent. in the meantime they had a nice run.

and the market is what the market is and teams adjust. the cap and QB salaries puts a lot of pressure on teams making good picks in the draft.

and what's the alternative? not pay the QB that the team thinks can give them a chance? and go cheap with the likes of Fields!

 

[kskboys]

And is it fair to say you don’t think Turpin can play that role?

Way too lightly built. He'd get injured.

 

[kskboys]

OMG. not that again. they won three superbowls and went to another one recently. at some point your players get old, and you lose some players and you pick at the bottom of the round and miss on talent. in the meantime they had a nice run.

and the market is what the market is and teams adjust. the cap and QB salaries puts a lot of pressure on teams making good picks in the draft.

and what's the alternative? not pay the QB that the team thinks can give them a chance? and go cheap with the likes of Fields!

That sure is a ton of hysteria for a dude that doesn't understand the salary cap and the ramifications thereof.

 

[Risen Star]

HAHAHAHAHA

 

[Risen Star]

Everybody laugh at Bob.

 

[Bobhaze]

Everybody laugh at Bob.

My need post should be, “Why we can’t make a Super Bowl”….maybe that will transform this team like this thread about our offense.

Yeah baby!

 

[khiladi]

DEFENSE wins championships and in the playoffs. Ive seen a few great Defenses with cap gun offenses win it all. Ive never seen a TOP OFFENSE with no D win before.

Sorry, but this excuse would fly if the 49ers weren't held to an average of like 17 points in the play-offs, while Dak sucked. Offense also gets teams farther than Dak has ever gotten in the play-offs with average defenses....

 

[khiladi]

Probably because a football team is made up of more units than just an offense. No offense can do the job of all three phases of a football team and make it to a championship game. That has never been done.

You see how easy it was to answer your question?

Now when are you going to answer my question? Grown folks don't answer a question with a question. So again, if the Cowboys only had a top offense due to playing "bottom dwelling defenses", why haven't other offenses WHO PLAYED THE SAME DEFENSES, become a top offense?

Let's see if you can actually answer the question this time.

I'll patiently wait....

You really didn't answer the question, because defense has no impact on how the QB plays and Dak absolutely sucks in the play-offs and sucks against good defenses, despite haven't loaded talent on the offensive side of the ball. Like we have told you folks many times, the 49ers put up 19, "Dak", put up 12. "Dak" put up 17, the 49ers 23. What happened to the "league-leading" 30 PPG in the those games. So now, you didn't answer the question, s try again...

I am patiently waiting for you to stop thinking you are some football genius, thinking you actually answered the question by throwing the blame on everybody else, but Dak, whom this team supposedly had no influence on these blowouts, when you really did not...