Why people should be happy that if we get Norv Turner

[Galian Beast]

- First let me say don't simply look at his track record, coaching bad teams isn't an easy thing to do, especially if you aren't there for long.

Did you know who Turner's QBs were in 1994 with Washington? Heath Shuler, John Friesz, and Gus Frerotte in his first year.

In 1995 Turner's 2nd year in Washington with Frerotte he went 6-10. Not great, but with what he was working with, give him a break. He was also going up against NFC strong hold teams. It was also a pretty strong NFC East.

In year 2 he took his offense from 19th to 16th, and his defense from 26th to 18th. This is also his first stop at head coaching mind you.

1996 Year 3... He went 9-7. In what remains a powerful NFC East. He is still using Gus Frerotte here. The guy is no Tony Romo by any means.

In year 4, he had to deal with significant injuries to key players.

Oakland is an even trashier team than Washington was.

If anything his mistakes have been coaching bad organizations with badly built teams. This team here in Dallas is already built. We have a young talented qb in tony romo. And great potential on defense. We get a good DC and this team is going places.

 

[doomsday81]

- First let me say don't simply look at his track record, coaching bad teams isn't an easy thing to do, especially if you aren't there for long.

Did you know who Turner's QBs were in 1994 with Washington? Heath Shuler, John Friesz, and Gus Frerotte in his first year.

In 1995 Turner's 2nd year in Washington with Frerotte he went 6-10. Not great, but with what he was working with, give him a break. He was also going up against NFC strong hold teams. It was also a pretty strong NFC East.

In year 2 he took his offense from 19th to 16th, and his defense from 26th to 18th. This is also his first stop at head coaching mind you.

1996 Year 3... He went 9-7. In what remains a powerful NFC East. He is still using Gus Frerotte here. The guy is no Tony Romo by any means.

In year 4, he had to deal with significant injuries to key players.

Oakland is an even trashier team than Washington was.

If anything his mistakes have been coaching bad organizations with badly built teams. This team here in Dallas is already built. We have a young talented qb in tony romo. And great potential on defense. We get a good DC and this team is going places.

At least he won't have to get used to Jerry Jones. He's no different than Al Davis or Daniel Snyder. Now the three of those ego maniacs have another thing in common. They are all stupid enough to turn their teams over to Norv Turner. Sounds like the stuff you wrote is just a bunch of excuses trying to defend a bad coach. I like when you said he took the offense from 19th to 16th. Wow. And they fired him?

 

[Galian Beast]

I like the part where you ignore the fact that he did it with Gus Frerotte in his 2nd year...

 

[doomsday81]

- First let me say don't simply look at his track record, coaching bad teams isn't an easy thing to do, especially if you aren't there for long.

Did you know who Turner's QBs were in 1994 with Washington? Heath Shuler, John Friesz, and Gus Frerotte in his first year.

In 1995 Turner's 2nd year in Washington with Frerotte he went 6-10. Not great, but with what he was working with, give him a break. He was also going up against NFC strong hold teams. It was also a pretty strong NFC East.

In year 2 he took his offense from 19th to 16th, and his defense from 26th to 18th. This is also his first stop at head coaching mind you.

1996 Year 3... He went 9-7. In what remains a powerful NFC East. He is still using Gus Frerotte here. The guy is no Tony Romo by any means.

In year 4, he had to deal with significant injuries to key players.

Oakland is an even trashier team than Washington was.

If anything his mistakes have been coaching bad organizations with badly built teams. This team here in Dallas is already built. We have a young talented qb in tony romo. And great potential on defense. We get a good DC and this team is going places.

Norv Turner = Dennis Erickson. The only difference between the two is one is a good college coach and the other is a good offensive coordinator. However, they both suck as NFL head coaches and that's not my opinion, it's a documented fact.

 

[doomsday81]

I like the part where you ignore the fact that he did it with Gus Frerotte in his 2nd year...

I like the part where you disregard his coaching performance at two different stops. Was Gus Frerotte responsible for him losing total control of both teams? Thanks for playing. I'll talk to you in two years when you are one of the people calling for his head.

 

[Dale]

He'll likely help Romo and Julius both improve considerably.

He's familiar with the organization.

He was part of the team's winning history and brings back some nostalgia in that regard.

He can groom Garrett as an offensive mind.

There are many things he can bring to this team. Notice, however, I never included "wins." That's the one thing I'm least convinced he'll bring.

You only get so many chances in this league. How many people would hire Dave Campo as a head coach, saying that he had an unfair situation in Dallas with Quincy Carter and a meddling Jerry Jones? It's a plausible excuse, but likely a good enough one to get him another head-coaching gig.

 

[MarkBrunell]

Its nice that you include the personell Norv was working with and you completely disregard the fact that a HC is not about the personell. And its not like Norv had no say in the personell, he hand picked a lot of the players on the team... including Heath Shuler.

Norv is also one of the worst game managers as a HC.

But yeah all that matters is the team that surrounded him and not if hes a quality coach or not. I dont understand why some of you wanted Parcells gone and are now excited about Norv whos worse than BP

 

[Dale]

Its nice that you include the personell Norv was working with and you completely disregard the fact that a HC is not about the personell. And its not like Norv had no say in the personell, he hand picked a lot of the players on the team... including Heath Shuler.

Norv is also one of the worst game managers as a HC.

But yeah all that matters is the team that surrounded him and not if hes a quality coach or not. I dont understand why some of you wanted Parcells gone and are now excited about Norv whos worse than BP

I can just imagine what ExtremeSkins will look like if Turner is hired here.

I doubt I'll be reading that place anytime soon.

 

[MarkBrunell]

I can just imagine what ExtremeSkins will look like if Turner is hired here.

I doubt I'll be reading that place anytime soon.

We will be happy as hell if you guys signed Norv. Those 7 years under Norv were a nightmare... except 1999 which wasnt too bad.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Its nice that you include the personell Norv was working with and you completely disregard the fact that a HC is not about the personell. And its not like Norv had no say in the personell, he hand picked a lot of the players on the team... including Heath Shuler.

Norv is also one of the worst game managers as a HC.

But yeah all that matters is the team that surrounded him and not if hes a quality coach or not. I dont understand why some of you wanted Parcells gone and are now excited about Norv whos worse than BP

When you find out...let me know.

 

[Eddie]

Spoke to my cousin who's a big Skins fan. He's happy we're taking Norv.

He remembers Norv's inability to control and motivate his players. That was always Norv's schtick.

I'm encouraged. Anything is better than the stalemate we had with BP.

I think Garrett and Turner will run a top flight Offense. One which attacks. Turner even made our cast-off Antonio Bryant a very good WR.

Our problem will be who will run the D and will he be creative enough to adjust?

 

[kingwhicker]

except 1999 which wasnt too bad.

Yeah, considering it was the best year your team has had in 15 years.

 

[InmanRoshi]

I like the part where you ignore the fact that he did it with Gus Frerotte in his 2nd year...

And you ignore the fact that Norv was a huge reason why Shuler and Ferotte were on the roster to begin with.

 

[InmanRoshi]

When you find out...let me know.

CC me on that too.

Did it ever occur to anyone that Norv played a huge part in making these organizations pathetic?

 

[superpunk]

When I opened this thread, I thought "What would make me happy that Norv Turner was hired?"

I came to the conclusion that the answer was "1 million dollars, a mansion in Dallas and lifetime season tickets."

Then I open the thread, and that's not being offered at all. Oh well. I'll have some more whiskey.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I know superpunk, I was hoping to see reasons to give me optimism, instead I found excuses for why his teams sucked