Why the Cowboys aren't benching Matt Cassel

TheDude

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And how many Super Bowls did Jimmy win after the Cowboys?

Jimmy coached the dolphins for 4 years. He never posted a losing record and went to the play-offs in the last 3 years. He was 2-3 in the playoffs

Garrett has been the coach since mid-2010 or 2011. 1 playoff appearance and 1 win. He will post a losing record this year.

So even the point you thought you made about how bad Jimmy was further denigrates Garrett
 

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Well it is done for you and me and all other Cowboy fans, not for the players, not yet. While we can all agree that I have a better chance statistically of winning the powerball lottery than this team does of going to the playoffs, there is still a chance. So Garrett owes it to the team to play the player that they feel gives them the best chance to win. Once we are officially eliminated from the playoffs, then we can see what he does.

I agree. You don't give up as a team until you have to give up. Fans who expect the players and the coaches to do it don't understand that that's not something that can realistically be expected of any team.
 

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I agree. You don't give up as a team until you have to give up. Fans who expect the players and the coaches to do it don't understand that that's not something that can realistically be expected of any team.

I don't think anyone here wants the Cowboys to give up. We want them to fight and play their hardest every game... but end up losing.
 

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I don't think anyone here wants the Cowboys to give up. We want them to fight and play their hardest every game... but end up losing.

Crazy, but true. It would be great to see a few new players get meaningful reps as well, try to perfect the screen, run some no huddle offense so Jason knows how to deal with the clock issues..fake punts etc. Stuff we could use some practice with.
 

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Crazy, but true. It would be great to see a few new players get meaningful reps as well.

Exactly. Outside of a couple outlier seasons, the Cowboys have pretty much been irrelevant for the past 20 years. I'm willing to suffer 3 more weeks for a chance to grab a top 3 pick.
 

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True.

And that line has also been used by the Garrett Apologists when they claim Red had it tougher than Tom Landry did in building a team. Ive yet to connect all the dots on that and Im not sure I ever will be able to figure out how Coach Landry had it easier building the roster for an expansion team than Red did inheriting a roster with pro bowlers and HOFer's.

:huh:

At the end of the day, today's teams are easier and faster to build and quicker to erode. Every team can get players to succeed in 4 year window or less (if you have a QB). Rookies get a max 4 year deal and most vet contracts are structured to get out of in 4 or less. QB may be the one exception, but most agree that isnt the problem that Garrett had to face in his tenure. It is a super hollow argument.

The argument that drives me crazy is how he "works well with Jerry" and "installs a culture" or has is an effective leader and messenger." People that are effective know how to manage up to get the resources they need to succeed and influence their superiors to make the appropriate moves.

This is the catch-22. For example, on one hand we hear that Rob Ryan is responsible for the 2012 CB orgy - moves that set the team back immensely, but Ryan hung for it. You have to assume Garrett co-signed on CB > Safety or LB or DT.

Additionally, in this timeframe, we couldnt decide on power scheme, zone blocking, 3-4, 4-3, Kiffen/Marinelli, touting the ineffective 12 package and spending resources on Escobar and he never sees the field. To play call or not to play call, "Weeden is most improved player", "Best staff ever", etc,etc.etc.

So either he is effective at getting Jerry, Stephen, and the scouting on his page and this construction is far and away his baby after 5 1/2 years - or he is ineffective at getting his football vision/evaluation across and he is a puppet of the Jones dictatorship. Either way, all signs point to ineffectiveness as a product after 5 1/2. He has kept much of his bosses ire off of him (which ironically is a form of effectiveness I suppose).
 

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Well it is done for you and me and all other Cowboy fans, not for the players, not yet. While we can all agree that I have a better chance statistically of winning the powerball lottery than this team does of going to the playoffs, there is still a chance. So Garrett owes it to the team to play the player that they feel gives them the best chance to win. Once we are officially eliminated from the playoffs, then we can see what he does.

If JG truely felt that way , he wouldn't have released Patmon when Mo is hurt and most likely not play this week.
 

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Winning is a culture and so is losing. If you are not doing everything in your power to win then it's the same as saying that losing is acceptable.

Therefore, if you are deliberately tanking a season to obtain draft picks then you are telling the present team to losr so some of them can be replaced by a better grade of draft picks.

To a true competitor, playoffs are not the primary incentive to winning. The greatest motivation for winning is winning.

Then why would they release Patmon when Mo is hurt this week?
 

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Garrett has been the coach since mid-2010 or 2011. 1 playoff appearance and 1 win. He will post a losing record this year.

Without Romo and Dez. I think we all could have predicted that would be the case before the season began with those two hurt. Everyone knew we were done if Romo by himself got hurt.
 

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Without Romo and Dez. I think we all could have predicted that would be the case before the season began with those two hurt. Everyone knew we were done if Romo by himself got hurt.

That really wasnt the consensus after beating Philly in week 1. A few said it was over, but most assumed 2-3 wins at minimum.

But it really isnt the issue. When you make claims that Weeden is your "most improved" player, you should be called on it. Maybe not so much that other backups have won, but the fact that no other team allows a backup to take all reps every Wed for the last 2 years and refused to acknowledge what everyone saw last year and this preseason.

no one expected to be so bereft of all offense that scoring >7 points or even a TD was cause to shoot fireworks
 

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Why do you think he had navy T-shirts made with "Fight" written across the chest? And why do you think he's always talking about the relentless spirit of his last-place team?

I'm pretty sure nearly every high school male and female athletic team does similar stuff in putting various words on their clothing. "Fight", "finish", "champion", "attitude". Junk like that.
 

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Winning is a culture and so is losing. If you are not doing everything in your power to win then it's the same as saying that losing is acceptable.

Therefore, if you are deliberately tanking a season to obtain draft picks then you are telling the present team to losr so some of them can be replaced by a better grade of draft picks.

To a true competitor, playoffs are not the primary incentive to winning. The greatest motivation for winning is winning.

Not sure how starting Moore sends the message of tanking..........Cassel would be 0-6 if Desean Jackson didn't have the IQ of a hamster.

Seriously, trotting Cassel back out there says we are going balls to the wall, but sending Moore out there says we are tanking?
 

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That made me laugh for some reason. So hard I got tears in my eyes.

And this is where we are as fans of the most valuable sports franchise in the world.

Pathetic!

Not just us fans, Jerry is lusting after that draft pick..........jerry hears "top 10 pick" and he immediately gets WOOD:omg:
 

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So trotting Moore out there rather than Casell tells the team your tanking?

The "team" knows who the better QB is. They see both Moore and Cassell in practice, and don't need any coach to tell them who gives them the best chance to win. The fact that Moore hasn't played yet tells fans what the team and coaching staff already knew - that Cassell is the best we have to offer. As pathetic as that is, it's still the truth.

So yes, trotting your second-best guy out there when you're still mathematically in the hunt tells the team you've given up.
 

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The "team" knows who the better QB is. They see both Moore and Cassell in practice, and don't need any coach to tell them who gives them the best chance to win. The fact that Moore hasn't played yet tells fans what the team and coaching staff already knew - that Cassell is the best we have to offer. As pathetic as that is, it's still the truth.

So yes, trotting your second-best guy out there when you're still mathematically in the hunt tells the team you've given up.

Moore was taking snaps with the first team offense today..........that wasn't happening just for the hell of it, expect him in a game soon.
 

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Moore was taking snaps with the first team offense today..........that wasn't happening just for the hell of it, expect him in a game soon.

Oh, I do...as soon as the Cowboys are mathematically eliminated, he'll start. He's probably going to get the last two games.
 

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A funny article. He seems to start it with 'don't look for Moore', and then essentially finishes by saying 'give it a week until the season is officially over and then you'll see him.'

And I personally wouldn't worry too much about damaging any message Garrett is trying to send. In all the time he's been here, neither that message, nor his 'process' has helped to establish this team as a winner.

At some point, it's just baseless noise.

Yep.

The first part of that article seems to try and reassure the reader that Jason Garrett is not what he seems. It's all hogwash.

He's soft. He is a coach that cannot motivate a consistent winner and people have already caught on to the fraud that he is.
 

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The rest of this season now needs to be Pre-PreSeason and should be used to evaluate players for next year in order to maximize whatever value is left. We have already identified that Cassel needs to go, so we should release him, give Moore a shot and bring in any QB fodder available out there with measurables to take a chance that they may show something. We need to squeeze what we can out of a losing season and there's no better way to see what players really have than putting them in a game situation. Cassel is taking up the development snaps of a player who may or may not pan out as a backup or starter right now. If Moore isn't good enough to play in the NFL, he shouldn't be on the team right now taking up snaps. If we lose out on the playoffs, which is clear we will, and Cassel is at the helm of all of the games, we have doubled our tragedy as we have truly have wasted great opportunities to improve this team for next year.
 
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