Why the Cowboys shouldn't move on from Terence Steele

kskboys said:
Nate Thomas doesn't have the skillset for RT. I love the kid and I think he can start in this league. Might be able to play RT where your feet are not as important.
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Thats fine like I said they can keep Guyton on the left if they must. I think he'd be better on the right if they can make the move but at least Nate is basically the same as steele with upside on the right.
 
He said he was coming back next year in the best shape of his life, so leave him alone, or find another team.
 
I have long advocated dumping Steele for cap relief. His contract is designed to do just that.
BUT he was your highest graded OT.

Guyton is very bad and any signs of life are brief and confounded by injuries. Nathan Thomas was super awful, scores at bottom of every chart he appears he on.

Ideally, you'd draft a starting LT early and push Guyton to RT. Sign a vet OT with a pulse to back them both up.
But you can't pick up Guyton's 5th year at this point. May be better to let that project go and ride out Steele for 2 more seasons to buy time to draft/develop/sign replacments.
And the defense is so bad you might see riots if they go OT at pick 12.

Perhaps you approach Steele about a contract reduction that raises huis GTD money but lowers his cap hits.


How might that look?
Offer to covert 9M of his 13.75M base to bonus this with 1m base provided he drops the rest of that 3.75M.
As a sweetener you GTD 5M of next year's base. 10m of it if he makes the Pro Bowl.


I'm not against recouping that cap money but free agency is pretty awful at OT yearly. Few guys who can actually play cost a mega fortune.

Ultimatey the play of Guyton and Thomas this year make Steele more valuable.
 
GoCowboysGo said:
To me, TS is one of the worst players on the team. He’s a turnstile at the position and is gonna get #4 injured.

My number one cut target because of his large salary/performance discrepancy.
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I'm really surprised it didn't happen this past season. I'm willing to bet he got more help from TEs and RBs than 80% of Tackles in the league.
 
jterrell said:
I have long advocated dumping Steele for cap relief. His contract is designed to do just that.
BUT he was your highest graded OT.

Guyton is very bad and any signs of life are brief and confounded by injuries. Nathan Thomas was super awful, scores at bottom of every chart he appears he on.

Ideally, you'd draft a starting LT early and push Guyton to RT. Sign a vet OT with a pulse to back them both up.
But you can't pick up Guyton's 5th year at this point. May be better to let that project go and ride out Steele for 2 more seasons to buy time to draft/develop/sign replacments.
And the defense is so bad you might see riots if they go OT at pick 12.

Perhaps you approach Steele about a contract reduction that raises huis GTD money but lowers his cap hits.


How might that look?
Offer to covert 9M of his 13.75M base to bonus this with 1m base provided he drops the rest of that 3.75M.
As a sweetener you GTD 5M of next year's base. 10m of it if he makes the Pro Bowl.


I'm not against recouping that cap money but free agency is pretty awful at OT yearly. Few guys who can actually play cost a mega fortune.

Ultimatey the play of Guyton and Thomas this year make Steele more valuable.
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You sir win this post discussion by a landslide.
I mean you accurately combined comments on the garbage play of BOTH left tackles(Guyton/Thomas) while also including viable options surrounding Steele's contract and sub par play.

Very well thought out and hopefully doable.

Great job.
 
ElGatoGrande said:
Steele isn't the worst, but definitely worthy of being replaced. Bottom line, this team should continue drafting OTs and move on from Steele AFTER they find someone better. Same goes for left tackle.
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Agree but we can’t use our first 2 picks on an OT this year. He’s a really good run blocker, really bad pass blocker. Not a huge PFF fan but they got him top run blocker and 78th of 88 pass blockers. At 78 your talking about guys who are generally backups doing a better job than he is
 
Nexx said:
can he play left guard? great at run blocking horrible against speed rushers... I can see potential at guard
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We got an all pro left guard. If he move him he become a decent LT and you get weaker at guard
 
kramskoi said:
Sadly, Nate Thomas is not ready to play left tackle. The Chiefs game got everyone google-eyed. We got an extended look at him and it wasn't pretty. Steele can definitely go. I'd run Nate Thomas at him for RT or sign a vet on a short deal as a stop-gap.
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Not many vets out there that actually improves RT without costing as much as Steele or more. The mistake, and Jerry makes it slit was restructing Steele. We gotta stop restructing guys who aren’t really good. Steele is a great run blocker but one of the worst pass blocking tackles. Had you not restructured him you could sign the best FA LT for what you’d save
 
Tyron spoiled me. I forgot those years when as a fan we were sweating bullets on the OT situation, both sides.
 
charron said:
Thats fine like I said they can keep Guyton on the left if they must. I think he'd be better on the right if they can make the move but at least Nate is basically the same as steele with upside on the right.
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Steele is more talented, but can't stay upright.

I love me some Nate. Hope he starts at ORT and we find a viable OLT.
 
kskboys said:
Steele is more talented, but can't stay upright.

I love me some Nate. Hope he starts at ORT and we find a viable OLT.
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"IF" Thomas could be coached up enough to be a serviceable RT this would be a good solution while also ridding the team of Steeles contract.

I'm starting to think the best and only answer at LT is finding another bridge vet LT on a 2 year deal.
Most preferably better than Chuma Edoga or the gaping hole on the blindside will continue.
 
75boyz said:
"IF" Thomas could be coached up enough to be a serviceable RT this would be a good solution while also ridding the team of Steeles contract.

I'm starting to think the best and only answer at LT is finding another bridge vet LT on a 2 year deal.
Most preferably better than Chuma Edoga or the gaping hole on the blindside will continue.
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I wish people would simply understand that Guyton is the only player on our team w/ OLT traits. We desperately need a vet to come in and give him competition, maybe teach him a few things.

As far as OL goes, OLT is a horse of a different color. You are on an island, and your only weapons are freakishly quick feet. If you don't have that, you'll be a holding penalty nightmare. As good as Tyler Smith is, he's not a great OLT, and in all likelihood would be a holding penalty nightmare at OLT. Tyler played OT on the college level, and already had problems w/ quick edger rushers, and that was at a small school, Tulsa. He's a "clingy blocker" on the edge who lacks recovery ability and struggles to stay ahead of defenders. Those who are screaming to put him at OLT have not done their homework.
 
kskboys said:
I wish people would simply understand that Guyton is the only player on our team w/ OLT traits. We desperately need a vet to come in and give him competition, maybe teach him a few things.

As far as OL goes, OLT is a horse of a different color. You are on an island, and your only weapons are freakishly quick feet. If you don't have that, you'll be a holding penalty nightmare. As good as Tyler Smith is, he's not a great OLT, and in all likelihood would be a holding penalty nightmare at OLT. Tyler played OT on the college level, and already had problems w/ quick edger rushers, and that was at a small school, Tulsa. He's a "clingy blocker" on the edge who lacks recovery ability and struggles to stay ahead of defenders. Those who are screaming to put him at OLT have not done their homework.
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Feet are the thing. You have them or you don't for the LT position.

The right scout/evaluator capable of finding those with the dancing bear left tackle feet is a job all within itself. An incredibly hard and complex one.

I consider taking a project guy's traits over college film production in rounds 4 -7. Not in rounds 1 -3 and most definitely not in round one.
That's Guyton.
The direct opposite is Booker at guard.
One of the worst OG combine/traits measuring drill on record.
But his film said otherwise.

Schott said Guyton was a swing tackle when he returned prior to Guyton officially being placed on IR while also putting Smith as the starter at LT for the remaining games.

With this move the staff declared Guyton not a starting NFL LT and Smith the best existing LT option on the roster.
Smith is staying at guard now.
They still need a LT.
 
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McKDaddy said:
as an all around player though. being better at pass pro but not good in the run game isn't that much of a net win.
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we have to get someone better at Pass Pro or look forward to Dak in traction
 
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